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RE: Fort Wayne or IUPUI to Horizon?
Read the article from the Omaha AD I believe...he seemed intrigued by the Horizon
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RE: Fort Wayne or IUPUI to Horizon?
(05-09-2017 10:43 AM)solohawks Wrote:  With Valpo now being the only candidate leaving officially I would guess the Horizon at minimum would expand by 1.

I am going to guess that Omaha will get that spot based on articles I have seen. The Horizon could go to 12 and completely gut the Summit take both IUPU's as well. UMKC may be in the mix if Horizon wants to go to 12. Horizon seems to be pushing themselves as big Midwestern markets so they have options.

Some of the Horizon thinking here may be that if they go to 12 and they do it right that it may be enough to prevent another MVC raid.

Horizon geography:

West: Green Bay, Milwaukee, Illinois-Chicago
East: Oakland, Detroit, YSU, Wright St, Cleveland St, NKU

The only way to push to 12 and two divisions would be to add 3 schools to the west.

IUPUI would have to go into the west division. I guess that would also apply Fort Wayne though I feel like its a market that orients toward Ohio/Michigan rather than looking west.

Then the 12th school comes down to UNO or UMKC. My choice would be UMKC because of cheaper flights in this case.
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RE: Fort Wayne or IUPUI to Horizon?
(05-09-2017 10:54 AM)NDSUguy Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 10:43 AM)solohawks Wrote:  With Valpo now being the only candidate leaving officially I would guess the Horizon at minimum would expand by 1.

I am going to guess that Omaha will get that spot based on articles I have seen. The Horizon could go to 12 and completely gut the Summit take both IUPU's as well. UMKC may be in the mix if Horizon wants to go to 12. Horizon seems to be pushing themselves as big Midwestern markets so they have options.

Without Valpo the Horizon is NOT a better conference than the current Summit. The eastern schools in the Summit might be swayed but there is NO chance that any western schools (i.e. Omaha/Denver or UMKC) would want to increase their expenses just so that they can say that they are in a "city" league. No benefit in that.

Kansas City I would think be a cheap flight to Chicago, Detroit or Cincinnati the main cities to fly into with the Horizon.
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RE: Fort Wayne or IUPUI to Horizon?
(05-09-2017 10:58 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Read the article from the Omaha AD I believe...he seemed intrigued by the Horizon

That would be a bad choice. Downgrade conferences for increased travel expenses.... All that to be in a 1 bid league...
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RE: Fort Wayne or IUPUI to Horizon?
The Horizon is currently based around 5 sets of travel partners. That's part of why Fort Wayne makes sense to replace Valpo, as they could still be a travel partner with UIC.

That's also why, if you take Omaha, I'd assume that maybe you go with UMKC as well, as they could work as a travel pair as well.

That might be a route to 12, though I'm not sure if the combo of Fort Wayne, UMKC and Omaha really help the conference or not.

Currently:

Detroit/Oakland
Wright State/NKU
Youngstown State/Cleveland State
Green Bay/Milwaukee
UIC/???
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RE: Fort Wayne or IUPUI to Horizon?
(05-09-2017 11:01 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 10:43 AM)solohawks Wrote:  With Valpo now being the only candidate leaving officially I would guess the Horizon at minimum would expand by 1.

I am going to guess that Omaha will get that spot based on articles I have seen. The Horizon could go to 12 and completely gut the Summit take both IUPU's as well. UMKC may be in the mix if Horizon wants to go to 12. Horizon seems to be pushing themselves as big Midwestern markets so they have options.

Some of the Horizon thinking here may be that if they go to 12 and they do it right that it may be enough to prevent another MVC raid.

Horizon geography:

West: Green Bay, Milwaukee, Illinois-Chicago
East: Oakland, Detroit, YSU, Wright St, Cleveland St, NKU

The only way to push to 12 and two divisions would be to add 3 schools to the west.

IUPUI would have to go into the west division. I guess that would also apply Fort Wayne though I feel like its a market that orients toward Ohio/Michigan rather than looking west.

Then the 12th school comes down to UNO or UMKC. My choice would be UMKC because of cheaper flights in this case.

SIUE before Omaha or UMKC. St. Louis is lot easier and bus friendly for the Horizon League with the same result.
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RE: Fort Wayne or IUPUI to Horizon?
(05-09-2017 11:01 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 10:43 AM)solohawks Wrote:  With Valpo now being the only candidate leaving officially I would guess the Horizon at minimum would expand by 1.

I am going to guess that Omaha will get that spot based on articles I have seen. The Horizon could go to 12 and completely gut the Summit take both IUPU's as well. UMKC may be in the mix if Horizon wants to go to 12. Horizon seems to be pushing themselves as big Midwestern markets so they have options.

Some of the Horizon thinking here may be that if they go to 12 and they do it right that it may be enough to prevent another MVC raid.

Horizon geography:

West: Green Bay, Milwaukee, Illinois-Chicago
East: Oakland, Detroit, YSU, Wright St, Cleveland St, NKU

The only way to push to 12 and two divisions would be to add 3 schools to the west.

IUPUI would have to go into the west division. I guess that would also apply Fort Wayne though I feel like its a market that orients toward Ohio/Michigan rather than looking west.

Then the 12th school comes down to UNO or UMKC. My choice would be UMKC because of cheaper flights in this case.

IF they want to go to 12 schools they would be better off going with Western Illinois over UMKC or Omaha. That is the backwards thinking of the Horizon League. They think that markets mean something when in reality they don't - at least not with UNO or UMKC. They should get to 12 by tightening their footprint not expanding it.
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RE: Fort Wayne or IUPUI to Horizon?
(05-09-2017 11:08 AM)NDSUguy Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 11:01 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(05-09-2017 10:43 AM)solohawks Wrote:  With Valpo now being the only candidate leaving officially I would guess the Horizon at minimum would expand by 1.

I am going to guess that Omaha will get that spot based on articles I have seen. The Horizon could go to 12 and completely gut the Summit take both IUPU's as well. UMKC may be in the mix if Horizon wants to go to 12. Horizon seems to be pushing themselves as big Midwestern markets so they have options.

Some of the Horizon thinking here may be that if they go to 12 and they do it right that it may be enough to prevent another MVC raid.

Horizon geography:

West: Green Bay, Milwaukee, Illinois-Chicago
East: Oakland, Detroit, YSU, Wright St, Cleveland St, NKU

The only way to push to 12 and two divisions would be to add 3 schools to the west.

IUPUI would have to go into the west division. I guess that would also apply Fort Wayne though I feel like its a market that orients toward Ohio/Michigan rather than looking west.

Then the 12th school comes down to UNO or UMKC. My choice would be UMKC because of cheaper flights in this case.

IF they want to go to 12 schools they would be better off going with Western Illinois over UMKC or Omaha. That is the backwards thinking of the Horizon League. They think that markets mean something when in reality they don't - at least not with UNO or UMKC. They should get to 12 by tightening their footprint not expanding it.

As a current KC resident (outside the city proper), I think if UMKC joined the right league and invested just a little bit more in the program, particularly in marketing, it could be a great pick up for any conference. In baseball, KC has the Royals, in football the Chiefs, and even Sporting KC has a good following. But since we don't have an NBA team, UMKC could become Kansas City's basketball team. Get in a conference with a couple natural rivals and I think people would have alot of fun at games.
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RE: Fort Wayne or IUPUI to Horizon?
(05-09-2017 11:06 AM)insomniaisevil Wrote:  The Horizon is currently based around 5 sets of travel partners. That's part of why Fort Wayne makes sense to replace Valpo, as they could still be a travel partner with UIC.

That's also why, if you take Omaha, I'd assume that maybe you go with UMKC as well, as they could work as a travel pair as well.

That might be a route to 12, though I'm not sure if the combo of Fort Wayne, UMKC and Omaha really help the conference or not.

Currently:

Detroit/Oakland
Wright State/NKU
Youngstown State/Cleveland State
Detroit/Oakland
UIC/???

IUPUI is in Indianapolis, a bigger market than Ft. Wayne and more Chicago centric than Ft. Wayne.

Then it would be IUPUI, UNO and UMKC with IUPUI going as a travel partner for UIC.
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RE: Fort Wayne or IUPUI to Horizon?
My vote's on Robert Morris. A private for a private.

NJIT's ship comes in, either directly into the vacated NEC spot, or someone from AmEast bolts.
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