(05-07-2017 06:47 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 05:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Hey guys, let's add Stanford too. Then buy United Airlines since it's cheap since we'll need it to FLY EVERYBODY'S CRAPPY CROSS COUNTRY TEAM THROUGH FOUR TIMEZONES.

That would work but our cross country team isn't built for repeated beatings from United Thugs.

I assumed that Syracuse XC wasn't included because he qualified cross country w/ the word "crappy"

(05-07-2017 07:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 05:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Hey guys, let's add Stanford too. Then buy United Airlines since it's cheap since we'll need it to FLY EVERYBODY'S CRAPPY CROSS COUNTRY TEAM THROUGH FOUR TIMEZONES.

No, no... The ACC needs to add Hawaii... That way it can play a 9-game conference schedule and still have 4 ooc games.

Screw that. Add the U of Tokyo Atoms.

Think of the market...

(They were the "Samurai" but that name was deemed offensive, and for anyone wondering, the Ninjas are Tokyo State, their cross town rival.)

(05-07-2017 04:21 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 03:31 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I was talking from a Wins/Losses POV

Realistically a great season would be 6-7 wins

Yeah - it would make the SEC West look soft.

I think we play 4 nobodies OOC (4-0) split the other division .5-.5, split BC and Pitt .5-.5 and are 5-1 headed into a gauntlet of the rest of our division. Maybe we get an upset a year and end up 6-6. But going north of that before the bowl would be very hard. And even then, I'm being a little optimistic and ignoring ND years.

Well if you have VT at home every other year, you can count on that upset bi-annually. The only time we've won in the dome is when we had Michael Vick.

(05-07-2017 10:22 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  Since ESPN owns the LHN and everything ACC, if Texas were to move to the ACC, ESPN would have the option of putting games on the ACCN or the LHN. Texas at an ACC school would now be available to the LHN, making room on the ACCN for another ACC game.

This would essentially make the LHN the ACCN1.2. At first I thought 2.0 but the LHN would still be UT based. It seems highly unlikely but I guess it would be possible for a Duke @ Wake game to wind up on the LHN.

Of all the things I’ve been associated with in 32 years in Texas—starting the foundation, building facilities, all those things—the Longhorn Network, 10 years from now, will maybe be the biggest thing we did.

It’s just going to separate us from everybody else.

And I’m not saying the SEC or Big 10 or Pac 12 did the wrong things by doing a conference network, because they’re going to have a beautiful network, and it’s going to be a lot money. But Florida’s going to sit down there, and they’re going to be one-fourteenth of something. And Ohio State is going to be one-fourteenth of something and USC’s gonna be one-twelfth of something, and we’re going to be 100 percent.
-- Former Texas AD DeLoss Dodds

ACCN & LHN bundled ...
they get access to prime real estate all along the eastern shore ...
we nudge our way into the 2nd most populous state ...

SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP

(05-07-2017 05:45 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  I think adding Texas and/or Oklahoma has the potential to destabilize the ACC. It's hard to see either fanbase being happy long term in the conference.

happier than present day ...

IT'S ALL RELATIVE

Could the LHN be the factor that puts Texas in the ACC?

Yes, If Texas ends up in the ACC, it will be because ESPN and ACC have made considerations for Texas to keep the LHN.

Does ND want Texas in the ACC? Do you think that the ACC can get Texas alone or will they insist on "friends"? Texas & "friends" can potentially be a destabilizing force in the ACC in the future. Sure, having Texas would bring greater revenue but wouldn't an equal partnership with the SEC that included a scheduling alliance & network bundling accomplish the same thing & without any westward expansion? Let the SEC have Texas, TT, TCU & Baylor. ND, Cincinnati, WV & UCONN/Houston would fit better in the ACC & without a lingering destabilizing force hanging over our heads. Money being equal, wouldn't that be preferable?

The LHN can also be fitted into the SECN.

It's very hard for me to imagine Texas landing in the ACC without state partners. There's political considerations that would be unbearable, and just the flat out fact that they would be so on an island.

I don't think the ACC is going to get Texas, but if I did, I think it would be a brokered deal with ESPN and the SEC that sent OU and OSU to the SEC and Texas and TT to the ACC. If they really wanted to break the Big 12's GOR (by having 8 vote to resolve the Big 12), they could potentially do Texas, TT, TCU, KSU to the ACC, and OU, OSU, Kansas, and WVU to the SEC. There are a lot of things about that which are crazy, but also a lot of things that make a ton of sense. A lot of rivalries would be preserved or renewed, the two conferences would share two major bowls, and most importantly, it would totally checkmate any future realignment additions of any consequence at all by the B1G and PAC.

I think Texas could get away with leaving Baylor behind as tainted as they are right now. They might be able to leave TCU behind if ND was willing to take that spot. But that only places 7 of the Big 12 schools, so you're waiting out the GOR in that case.

I don't think that's going to happen, but it makes some sense and has some plausibility.

(05-09-2017 02:09 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  If they really wanted to break the Big 12's GOR (by having 8 vote to resolve the Big 12), they could potentially do Texas, TT, TCU, KSU to the ACC, and OU, OSU, Kansas, and WVU to the SEC.

I know geography went out the window a long long time ago in conference realignment, and even my Cardinals are far from the coast. That said, nothing says Atlantic Coast like Lubbock, TX!

TerryD has posted maps several times to illustrate Notre Dame's strategy on game placement. It includes the Bay Area, LA, Texas, up and down the east coast, and the mid-west..........you know where all of the people are. Why wouldn't Texas (a national brand) want the same product distribution?
If Texas does come to the ACC, I think it will be on a partial deal, like Notre Dame, so that it won't be necessary to bring "friends", but it will give the ego driven Longhorns about a 20 year window to see if they can make it as a "national brand". If successful, it would give ESPN another collegiate sports anchor on which to build for the future when the number of teams in the P4 may be pared down.
This is a long term strategy, and gives Texas an opportunity to be Texas and the ACCN access to 28 million subscribers.

(05-10-2017 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  TerryD has posted maps several times to illustrate Notre Dame's strategy on game placement. It includes the Bay Area, LA, Texas, up and down the east coast, and the mid-west..........you know where all of the people are. Why wouldn't Texas (a national brand) want the same product distribution?
If Texas does come to the ACC, I think it will be on a partial deal, like Notre Dame, so that it won't be necessary to bring "friends", but it will give the ego driven Longhorns about a 20 year window to see if they can make it as a "national brand". If successful, it would give ESPN another collegiate sports anchor on which to build for the future when the number of teams in the P4 may be pared down.
This is a long term strategy, and gives Texas an opportunity to be Texas and the ACCN access to 28 million subscribers.

Texas & ND don't have the same recruiting philosophy. The Longhorns can recruit a full top 10 class without leaving their state. ND HAS to recruit nationally. Texas could still possibly achieve that as an independent but without them being a football member of the ACC, I don't see them offering much value to the ACC. If they brought their Olympic sports then they would be wise to want some regional travel partners & that wouldn't benefit the ACC either. If the ACC lands Texas then I think it will be as a full member with a couple travel partners.

(05-10-2017 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  TerryD has posted maps several times to illustrate Notre Dame's strategy on game placement. It includes the Bay Area, LA, Texas, up and down the east coast, and the mid-west..........you know where all of the people are. Why wouldn't Texas (a national brand) want the same product distribution?
If Texas does come to the ACC, I think it will be on a partial deal, like Notre Dame, so that it won't be necessary to bring "friends", but it will give the ego driven Longhorns about a 20 year window to see if they can make it as a "national brand". If successful, it would give ESPN another collegiate sports anchor on which to build for the future when the number of teams in the P4 may be pared down.
This is a long term strategy, and gives Texas an opportunity to be Texas and the ACCN access to 28 million subscribers.

Which ND would not be able to do as a football conference member playing 8-9 (or more in the future?) conference games per season.

(05-10-2017 08:57 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  TerryD has posted maps several times to illustrate Notre Dame's strategy on game placement. It includes the Bay Area, LA, Texas, up and down the east coast, and the mid-west..........you know where all of the people are. Why wouldn't Texas (a national brand) want the same product distribution?
If Texas does come to the ACC, I think it will be on a partial deal, like Notre Dame, so that it won't be necessary to bring "friends", but it will give the ego driven Longhorns about a 20 year window to see if they can make it as a "national brand". If successful, it would give ESPN another collegiate sports anchor on which to build for the future when the number of teams in the P4 may be pared down.
This is a long term strategy, and gives Texas an opportunity to be Texas and the ACCN access to 28 million subscribers.

Texas & ND don't have the same recruiting philosophy. The Longhorns can recruit a full top 10 class without leaving their state. ND HAS to recruit nationally. Texas could still possibly achieve that as an independent but without them being a football member of the ACC, I don't see them offering much value to the ACC. If they brought their Olympic sports then they would be wise to want some regional travel partners & that wouldn't benefit the ACC either. If the ACC lands Texas then I think it will be as a full member with a couple travel partners.

Lenville....
You do realize that Notre Dame is doing more than just recruiting football players in all of those locations, right? They are creating National exposure for the University that helps in football recruiting and student recruiting too, name recognition, alumni relations etc., etc..
As far as Texas' value to the ACC...........do the math...28 million people which would be maybe 10 million households, 5 million cable subscribers @ $1 per month (min)= $5 million per month for the ACCN. That's a lot of value.
And travel partners? I never have really figured that one out. All it means it's just a shorter trip for one baseball series per year or one basketball game every other year. Travel partner is more for fan identification than it is for travel reduction and Texas (like Notre Dame) doesn't have to worry about fan identification.

(05-10-2017 11:59 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:57 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  TerryD has posted maps several times to illustrate Notre Dame's strategy on game placement. It includes the Bay Area, LA, Texas, up and down the east coast, and the mid-west..........you know where all of the people are. Why wouldn't Texas (a national brand) want the same product distribution?
If Texas does come to the ACC, I think it will be on a partial deal, like Notre Dame, so that it won't be necessary to bring "friends", but it will give the ego driven Longhorns about a 20 year window to see if they can make it as a "national brand". If successful, it would give ESPN another collegiate sports anchor on which to build for the future when the number of teams in the P4 may be pared down.
This is a long term strategy, and gives Texas an opportunity to be Texas and the ACCN access to 28 million subscribers.

Texas & ND don't have the same recruiting philosophy. The Longhorns can recruit a full top 10 class without leaving their state. ND HAS to recruit nationally. Texas could still possibly achieve that as an independent but without them being a football member of the ACC, I don't see them offering much value to the ACC. If they brought their Olympic sports then they would be wise to want some regional travel partners & that wouldn't benefit the ACC either. If the ACC lands Texas then I think it will be as a full member with a couple travel partners.

Lenville....
You do realize that Notre Dame is doing more than just recruiting football players in all of those locations, right? They are creating National exposure for the University that helps in football recruiting and student recruiting too, name recognition, alumni relations etc., etc..
As far as Texas' value to the ACC...........do the math...28 million people which would be maybe 10 million households, 5 million cable subscribers @ $1 per month (min)= $5 million per month for the ACCN. That's a lot of value.
And travel partners? I never have really figured that one out. All it means it's just a shorter trip for one baseball series per year or one basketball game every other year. Travel partner is more for fan identification than it is for travel reduction and Texas (like Notre Dame) doesn't have to worry about fan identification.

There are better ways to recruit students than football games. I was once, & would be still, gung-ho on Texas IF the ACC could get them in full & solely but I don't see that happening. It doesn't make sense for Texas. Texas & ND would be optimum for the ACC but that's a long shot.

(05-10-2017 02:19 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 11:59 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:57 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  TerryD has posted maps several times to illustrate Notre Dame's strategy on game placement. It includes the Bay Area, LA, Texas, up and down the east coast, and the mid-west..........you know where all of the people are. Why wouldn't Texas (a national brand) want the same product distribution?
If Texas does come to the ACC, I think it will be on a partial deal, like Notre Dame, so that it won't be necessary to bring "friends", but it will give the ego driven Longhorns about a 20 year window to see if they can make it as a "national brand". If successful, it would give ESPN another collegiate sports anchor on which to build for the future when the number of teams in the P4 may be pared down.
This is a long term strategy, and gives Texas an opportunity to be Texas and the ACCN access to 28 million subscribers.

Texas & ND don't have the same recruiting philosophy. The Longhorns can recruit a full top 10 class without leaving their state. ND HAS to recruit nationally. Texas could still possibly achieve that as an independent but without them being a football member of the ACC, I don't see them offering much value to the ACC. If they brought their Olympic sports then they would be wise to want some regional travel partners & that wouldn't benefit the ACC either. If the ACC lands Texas then I think it will be as a full member with a couple travel partners.

Lenville....
You do realize that Notre Dame is doing more than just recruiting football players in all of those locations, right? They are creating National exposure for the University that helps in football recruiting and student recruiting too, name recognition, alumni relations etc., etc..
As far as Texas' value to the ACC...........do the math...28 million people which would be maybe 10 million households, 5 million cable subscribers @ $1 per month (min)= $5 million per month for the ACCN. That's a lot of value.
And travel partners? I never have really figured that one out. All it means it's just a shorter trip for one baseball series per year or one basketball game every other year. Travel partner is more for fan identification than it is for travel reduction and Texas (like Notre Dame) doesn't have to worry about fan identification.

There are better ways to recruit students than football games. I was once, & would be still, gung-ho on Texas IF the ACC could get them in full & solely but I don't see that happening. It doesn't make sense for Texas. Texas & ND would be optimum for the ACC but that's a long shot.

If Texas is a partial, they will not need to bring anyone else with them and they could still play at least 8 games a year in the state of Texas (maybe 9).
If Texas joins even as a partial, our TV money would equal or exceed the B1G and the SEC.

Atlantic Division
Florida State
Miami
Louisville
Clemson
Oklahoma
Kansas
Pitt
Syracuse

Coastal Division
Virginia
Virginia Tech
North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech
Boston College


Texas & Notre Dame with partial schedules*
Texas has permanent game with Oklahoma**

(05-09-2017 02:09 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  It's very hard for me to imagine Texas landing in the ACC without state partners. There's political considerations that would be unbearable, and just the flat out fact that they would be so on an island.

I don't think the ACC is going to get Texas, but if I did, I think it would be a brokered deal with ESPN and the SEC that sent OU and OSU to the SEC and Texas and TT to the ACC. If they really wanted to break the Big 12's GOR (by having 8 vote to resolve the Big 12), they could potentially do Texas, TT, TCU, KSU to the ACC, and OU, OSU, Kansas, and WVU to the SEC. There are a lot of things about that which are crazy, but also a lot of things that make a ton of sense. A lot of rivalries would be preserved or renewed, the two conferences would share two major bowls, and most importantly, it would totally checkmate any future realignment additions of any consequence at all by the B1G and PAC.

I think Texas could get away with leaving Baylor behind as tainted as they are right now. They might be able to leave TCU behind if ND was willing to take that spot. But that only places 7 of the Big 12 schools, so you're waiting out the GOR in that case.

TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech have no argument at all....IMO, the idea that Texas would have to bring partners is outdated.

Texas basically has 4 options:
Big 10
SEC
ACC
PAC 12

ESPN has the power to steer Texas into ACC land....they won't want to let Texas waltz over to the B1G.

Texas will NEVER join the SEC....especially as that's the home of the hated Aggies. Give up the LHN and join the SEC? delusional thinking

That leaves the ACC and PAC 12. If the ACC provided a Notre Dame type deal, that would be ideal for the Longhorns.

Now the trick is to grab Oklahoma and Kansas, and the ACC will have successfully raided the Big XII and ESPN will be happy to help boost the new ACC network.

It's all very feasible.

(05-10-2017 02:19 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 11:59 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:57 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 05:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  TerryD has posted maps several times to illustrate Notre Dame's strategy on game placement. It includes the Bay Area, LA, Texas, up and down the east coast, and the mid-west..........you know where all of the people are. Why wouldn't Texas (a national brand) want the same product distribution?
If Texas does come to the ACC, I think it will be on a partial deal, like Notre Dame, so that it won't be necessary to bring "friends", but it will give the ego driven Longhorns about a 20 year window to see if they can make it as a "national brand". If successful, it would give ESPN another collegiate sports anchor on which to build for the future when the number of teams in the P4 may be pared down.
This is a long term strategy, and gives Texas an opportunity to be Texas and the ACCN access to 28 million subscribers.

Texas & ND don't have the same recruiting philosophy. The Longhorns can recruit a full top 10 class without leaving their state. ND HAS to recruit nationally. Texas could still possibly achieve that as an independent but without them being a football member of the ACC, I don't see them offering much value to the ACC. If they brought their Olympic sports then they would be wise to want some regional travel partners & that wouldn't benefit the ACC either. If the ACC lands Texas then I think it will be as a full member with a couple travel partners.

Lenville....
You do realize that Notre Dame is doing more than just recruiting football players in all of those locations, right? They are creating National exposure for the University that helps in football recruiting and student recruiting too, name recognition, alumni relations etc., etc..
As far as Texas' value to the ACC...........do the math...28 million people which would be maybe 10 million households, 5 million cable subscribers @ $1 per month (min)= $5 million per month for the ACCN. That's a lot of value.
And travel partners? I never have really figured that one out. All it means it's just a shorter trip for one baseball series per year or one basketball game every other year. Travel partner is more for fan identification than it is for travel reduction and Texas (like Notre Dame) doesn't have to worry about fan identification.

There are better ways to recruit students than football games. I was once, & would be still, gung-ho on Texas IF the ACC could get them in full & solely but I don't see that happening. It doesn't make sense for Texas. Texas & ND would be optimum for the ACC but that's a long shot.

XLance is right. ND sees the football team merely as a marketing arm for the university.

ND recruits students from all over the country and uses the football team to help do that.

They have often said this themselves.

(05-10-2017 03:06 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Atlantic Division
Florida State
Miami
Louisville
Clemson
Oklahoma
Kansas
Pitt
Syracuse

Coastal Division
Virginia
Virginia Tech
North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech
Boston College


Texas & Notre Dame with partial schedules*

no hangers-on ...

LIKE YOU JUST THE WAY YOU ARE

(05-10-2017 04:04 PM)green Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 03:06 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Atlantic Division
Florida State
Miami
Louisville
Clemson
Oklahoma
Kansas
Pitt
Syracuse

Coastal Division
Virginia
Virginia Tech
North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech
Boston College


Texas & Notre Dame with partial schedules*

no hangers-on ...

LIKE YOU JUST THE WAY YOU ARE

I'd be ok w/ Texas as full or partial, ND as a full member, or any of WVU, PSU, Maryland, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, and South Carolina. I'm not interested in any other school, and I'd rather hold w/ "as is" than expand.