(05-18-2017 05:57 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Northern Colorado is crap in football. Colorado Mesa is much better in football. They could be a travel partner to one of the Idaho schools.

As for Eastern Washington? There is a farm owner willing to sell his land to the school for the new football stadium. If they announced that they will want to go to FBS? The money will flow in like mad. They have been a P5 killer in football lately.

Everything in this thread is idle speculation, but at least most are talking about real schools which have made the move, most, decades ago.

CMU is NOT GOING TO MOVE FROM D2. EVER!!! They are not interested, they have no desire, they have no need to move. They are what they are and they are in the perfect division for them.

Seriously, someone needs to ban you from any D2 posts for at least a month.

Montana State is getting new turf this summer. Very clear sign that a PAC-12 invite will follow. Stay tuned.

(05-18-2017 10:36 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 05:57 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Northern Colorado is crap in football. Colorado Mesa is much better in football. They could be a travel partner to one of the Idaho schools.

As for Eastern Washington? There is a farm owner willing to sell his land to the school for the new football stadium. If they announced that they will want to go to FBS? The money will flow in like mad. They have been a P5 killer in football lately.

Everything in this thread is idle speculation, but at least most are talking about real schools which have made the move, most, decades ago.

CMU is NOT GOING TO MOVE FROM D2. EVER!!! They are not interested, they have no desire, they have no need to move. They are what they are and they are in the perfect division for them.

Seriously, someone needs to ban you from any D2 posts for at least a month.

This is the realignment board, and any D2 programs are on the list that can move unless you are not in D2 for 8 years. That means any D2 schools are possible targets. It is people like you that always put D2 schools down. I hope your school lose to D2 schools in football and other sports in the future?

(05-18-2017 11:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 10:36 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 05:57 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Northern Colorado is crap in football. Colorado Mesa is much better in football. They could be a travel partner to one of the Idaho schools.

As for Eastern Washington? There is a farm owner willing to sell his land to the school for the new football stadium. If they announced that they will want to go to FBS? The money will flow in like mad. They have been a P5 killer in football lately.

Everything in this thread is idle speculation, but at least most are talking about real schools which have made the move, most, decades ago.

CMU is NOT GOING TO MOVE FROM D2. EVER!!! They are not interested, they have no desire, they have no need to move. They are what they are and they are in the perfect division for them.

Seriously, someone needs to ban you from any D2 posts for at least a month.

This is the realignment board, and any D2 programs are on the list that can move unless you are not in D2 for 8 years. That means any D2 schools are possible targets. It is people like you that always put D2 schools down. I hope your school lose to D2 schools in football and other sports in the future?

Actually, my school was D2 not that long ago. My problem is you take a school in Western Colorado which you have no connection to, no idea what the school mission is, nor do you understand the economics or geography of the area. I live on Colorado's Western Slope. I know Mesa well. Know a couple former athletic department employees and have a friend who is a former athletic director of an RMAC school. Mesa State is not moving to D1. "End of discussion

Oh, UNC did win a D2 National Title and they were successful in the old North Central Conference. Success at D2 does not always equate to success at D1.

(05-18-2017 12:55 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 11:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 10:36 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 05:57 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Northern Colorado is crap in football. Colorado Mesa is much better in football. They could be a travel partner to one of the Idaho schools.

As for Eastern Washington? There is a farm owner willing to sell his land to the school for the new football stadium. If they announced that they will want to go to FBS? The money will flow in like mad. They have been a P5 killer in football lately.

Everything in this thread is idle speculation, but at least most are talking about real schools which have made the move, most, decades ago.

CMU is NOT GOING TO MOVE FROM D2. EVER!!! They are not interested, they have no desire, they have no need to move. They are what they are and they are in the perfect division for them.

Seriously, someone needs to ban you from any D2 posts for at least a month.

This is the realignment board, and any D2 programs are on the list that can move unless you are not in D2 for 8 years. That means any D2 schools are possible targets. It is people like you that always put D2 schools down. I hope your school lose to D2 schools in football and other sports in the future?

Actually, my school was D2 not that long ago. My problem is you take a school in Western Colorado which you have no connection to, no idea what the school mission is, nor do you understand the economics or geography of the area. I live on Colorado's Western Slope. I know Mesa well. Know a couple former athletic department employees and have a friend who is a former athletic director of an RMAC school. Mesa State is not moving to D1. "End of discussion

Oh, UNC did win a D2 National Title and they were successful in the old North Central Conference. Success at D2 does not always equate to success at D1.

Boise State, Coastal Carolina, Youngstown State, and others who have won in D1 can tell you it could happen. Even West Texas A&M won the Border Conference over Texas Tech, Arizona, Arizona State and others.

Northern Kentucky said the exact same thing you did for Colorado Mesa and the others. Guess what? The right offer, and boom, they are D1. Colorado Mesa do fit in the region of the Big Sky north. So, if there is a split with the Big Sky schools? D2 schools would be could up. So, it could happen.

(05-18-2017 04:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 12:55 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 11:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 10:36 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 05:57 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Northern Colorado is crap in football. Colorado Mesa is much better in football. They could be a travel partner to one of the Idaho schools.

As for Eastern Washington? There is a farm owner willing to sell his land to the school for the new football stadium. If they announced that they will want to go to FBS? The money will flow in like mad. They have been a P5 killer in football lately.

Everything in this thread is idle speculation, but at least most are talking about real schools which have made the move, most, decades ago.

CMU is NOT GOING TO MOVE FROM D2. EVER!!! They are not interested, they have no desire, they have no need to move. They are what they are and they are in the perfect division for them.

Seriously, someone needs to ban you from any D2 posts for at least a month.

This is the realignment board, and any D2 programs are on the list that can move unless you are not in D2 for 8 years. That means any D2 schools are possible targets. It is people like you that always put D2 schools down. I hope your school lose to D2 schools in football and other sports in the future?

Actually, my school was D2 not that long ago. My problem is you take a school in Western Colorado which you have no connection to, no idea what the school mission is, nor do you understand the economics or geography of the area. I live on Colorado's Western Slope. I know Mesa well. Know a couple former athletic department employees and have a friend who is a former athletic director of an RMAC school. Mesa State is not moving to D1. "End of discussion

Oh, UNC did win a D2 National Title and they were successful in the old North Central Conference. Success at D2 does not always equate to success at D1.

Boise State, Coastal Carolina, Youngstown State, and others who have won in D1 can tell you it could happen. Even West Texas A&M won the Border Conference over Texas Tech, Arizona, Arizona State and others.

Northern Kentucky said the exact same thing you did for Colorado Mesa and the others. Guess what? The right offer, and boom, they are D1. Colorado Mesa do fit in the region of the Big Sky north. So, if there is a split with the Big Sky schools? D2 schools would be could up. So, it could happen.

Seriously, WOW!

Yes, Northern Colorado football has not done well in D1 with a .290 winning percentage since their move in 2003 (after 2 national titles in 1996 and 1997). Colorado Mesa is NOT much better with a 56-56 record in that same time span. Eastern Washington can not be called a P5 killer when going 2 for the last 6 all against Pac-12 OR and WA schools.

It is true that this is a realignment board and it is meant to be fun but the key word is REALITY. Everyone else has a hint of realism in their post. In your fantasy, D2 would not exist. Schools must meet certain requirements to either join or move up in the NCAA and until they do meet the requirements AND express their interest they are not a target. Talking about any 2-year school is a waste of time because their status is determined by the state government, not the NCAA or NAIA.

How long ago were Boise State, Coastal Carolina, and Youngstown State in D2? West Texas A&M won that title in 1950 and the conference ended in 1962 and in sports history that is ancient. You would have a hard time finding anyone currently at WTAMU outside of the athletic department who knows or cares about the Border Conference.

Just because something happened at one school doesn't mean it could happen at another but I suppose it's like if your friend jumped off a bridge you could too. Every school has their own desires, missions, and situations.

I have not seen an accurate statement by you about anything related to D2 which leads me to believe that you don't do enough research. It has been stated many times that Colorado Mesa has no desire or funding to move up but you keep bringing them up so that a gap on the map can be filled. I was not aware of CMU's financials until jacksfan29 stated what was happening and since then I have learned that they are not likely to get any help from the town either after a sales tax increase vote was defeated by a 2 to 1 margin in early April. I don't have the connections like jacksfan29 has but I have learned a lot about the RMAC because I live near USAFA north gate and I have met a former RMAC commissioner.

If the Northern four BSC left to join the Summit it leaves seven.

Adding UCSB, GCU, and UVU would help travel in the BSC.

I imagine there would be more movement.
The two holdovers in the SL that are not UD, UNO, or the Dakota four would look to get out.
That could lead to PSU and Sac St or ISU AND Weber St to the Summit.
Then The remaining Wac and BSC schools would form one conference of twelve minus CSU no call ups.
PSU, Sac St or ISU, weber St
SUU, UNC, UVU,GCU, NAU, Cal Baptist, NMSU, CSUB, UMKC, and UTRG.
I have to give myself a little credit for remembering all those schools.

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Carr Sports spent some time in Bozeman in May to prepare and advise Montana State on their strategic athletic plan. Carr Sports has advised and been involved in multiple FCS---》FBS upgrades for different schools

Troy, Texas St and UTSA used Carr Sports consulting on FBS moveups issues. Carr Sports' website also lists NDSU, SDSU and UND as recent clients.

(05-19-2017 03:59 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 04:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 12:55 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 11:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 10:36 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  Everything in this thread is idle speculation, but at least most are talking about real schools which have made the move, most, decades ago.

CMU is NOT GOING TO MOVE FROM D2. EVER!!! They are not interested, they have no desire, they have no need to move. They are what they are and they are in the perfect division for them.

Seriously, someone needs to ban you from any D2 posts for at least a month.

This is the realignment board, and any D2 programs are on the list that can move unless you are not in D2 for 8 years. That means any D2 schools are possible targets. It is people like you that always put D2 schools down. I hope your school lose to D2 schools in football and other sports in the future?

Actually, my school was D2 not that long ago. My problem is you take a school in Western Colorado which you have no connection to, no idea what the school mission is, nor do you understand the economics or geography of the area. I live on Colorado's Western Slope. I know Mesa well. Know a couple former athletic department employees and have a friend who is a former athletic director of an RMAC school. Mesa State is not moving to D1. "End of discussion

Oh, UNC did win a D2 National Title and they were successful in the old North Central Conference. Success at D2 does not always equate to success at D1.

Boise State, Coastal Carolina, Youngstown State, and others who have won in D1 can tell you it could happen. Even West Texas A&M won the Border Conference over Texas Tech, Arizona, Arizona State and others.

Northern Kentucky said the exact same thing you did for Colorado Mesa and the others. Guess what? The right offer, and boom, they are D1. Colorado Mesa do fit in the region of the Big Sky north. So, if there is a split with the Big Sky schools? D2 schools would be could up. So, it could happen.

Seriously, WOW!

Yes, Northern Colorado football has not done well in D1 with a .290 winning percentage since their move in 2003 (after 2 national titles in 1996 and 1997). Colorado Mesa is NOT much better with a 56-56 record in that same time span. Eastern Washington can not be called a P5 killer when going 2 for the last 6 all against Pac-12 OR and WA schools.

It is true that this is a realignment board and it is meant to be fun but the key word is REALITY. Everyone else has a hint of realism in their post. In your fantasy, D2 would not exist. Schools must meet certain requirements to either join or move up in the NCAA and until they do meet the requirements AND express their interest they are not a target. Talking about any 2-year school is a waste of time because their status is determined by the state government, not the NCAA or NAIA.

How long ago were Boise State, Coastal Carolina, and Youngstown State in D2? West Texas A&M won that title in 1950 and the conference ended in 1962 and in sports history that is ancient. You would have a hard time finding anyone currently at WTAMU outside of the athletic department who knows or cares about the Border Conference.

Just because something happened at one school doesn't mean it could happen at another but I suppose it's like if your friend jumped off a bridge you could too. Every school has their own desires, missions, and situations.

I have not seen an accurate statement by you about anything related to D2 which leads me to believe that you don't do enough research. It has been stated many times that Colorado Mesa has no desire or funding to move up but you keep bringing them up so that a gap on the map can be filled. I was not aware of CMU's financials until jacksfan29 stated what was happening and since then I have learned that they are not likely to get any help from the town either after a sales tax increase vote was defeated by a 2 to 1 margin in early April. I don't have the connections like jacksfan29 has but I have learned a lot about the RMAC because I live near USAFA north gate and I have met a former RMAC commissioner.

As I am seeing the signs, the NCAA and the P5 conferences, and the G5 for football may relax the rules which is why D3 Rowan wants to join D1 in a few years. Like I said, their could be a realignment to add several D2 schools and waved the waiver for them in the future. The issues is that the P5 schools are going belly up in debt even when they signed those big tv contracts. The Top D2 and maybe some D3 schools could move into D1 in less than 10 years because to address the issues about law suits by players and rape victims, the head injuries, players want to be treated as employees and so forth. Who do not move up, I could see that D2 and D3 will be merged as one body.

D1 could become a 4 tier football divisions with Tier 1 and Tier 2 as FBS and Tier 3 and 4 are FCS. Tier 4 would be the Ivy and Pioneer type schools with D3 schools involved in this.
D1 would break into 1-A for all the sports and 1-AA for all the sports. That means basketball will have two tiers at D1. This would weed out the weaker conferences, but will bring the strong teams out of those conferences into the stronger conferences for Tier 1 like Vermont, Milwaukee and Green Bay. New Conferences will be formed and some conferences will move up. RMAC conference with Colorado Mesa would be Tier 3 at the D1 level.

Colorado Mesa have been adding cheap women sports in recent years.
LAX
Beach Volleyball
varsity triathlon

When I look at their website right now, they have 14 men's sports, and 14 women's sports. They could add 2 more cheap women sports and one more men sports? They would be right there as a D1 team.

(05-21-2017 01:17 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Carr Sports spent some time in Bozeman in May to prepare and advise Montana State on their strategic athletic plan. Carr Sports has advised and been involved in multiple FCS---》FBS upgrades for different schools

Troy, Texas St and UTSA used Carr Sports consulting on FBS moveups issues. Carr Sports' website also lists NDSU, SDSU and UND as recent clients.

A strategic plan is completely different than a feasibility study.

(05-21-2017 08:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 03:59 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 04:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 12:55 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 11:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  This is the realignment board, and any D2 programs are on the list that can move unless you are not in D2 for 8 years. That means any D2 schools are possible targets. It is people like you that always put D2 schools down. I hope your school lose to D2 schools in football and other sports in the future?

Actually, my school was D2 not that long ago. My problem is you take a school in Western Colorado which you have no connection to, no idea what the school mission is, nor do you understand the economics or geography of the area. I live on Colorado's Western Slope. I know Mesa well. Know a couple former athletic department employees and have a friend who is a former athletic director of an RMAC school. Mesa State is not moving to D1. "End of discussion

Oh, UNC did win a D2 National Title and they were successful in the old North Central Conference. Success at D2 does not always equate to success at D1.

Boise State, Coastal Carolina, Youngstown State, and others who have won in D1 can tell you it could happen. Even West Texas A&M won the Border Conference over Texas Tech, Arizona, Arizona State and others.

Northern Kentucky said the exact same thing you did for Colorado Mesa and the others. Guess what? The right offer, and boom, they are D1. Colorado Mesa do fit in the region of the Big Sky north. So, if there is a split with the Big Sky schools? D2 schools would be could up. So, it could happen.

Seriously, WOW!

Yes, Northern Colorado football has not done well in D1 with a .290 winning percentage since their move in 2003 (after 2 national titles in 1996 and 1997). Colorado Mesa is NOT much better with a 56-56 record in that same time span. Eastern Washington can not be called a P5 killer when going 2 for the last 6 all against Pac-12 OR and WA schools.

It is true that this is a realignment board and it is meant to be fun but the key word is REALITY. Everyone else has a hint of realism in their post. In your fantasy, D2 would not exist. Schools must meet certain requirements to either join or move up in the NCAA and until they do meet the requirements AND express their interest they are not a target. Talking about any 2-year school is a waste of time because their status is determined by the state government, not the NCAA or NAIA.

How long ago were Boise State, Coastal Carolina, and Youngstown State in D2? West Texas A&M won that title in 1950 and the conference ended in 1962 and in sports history that is ancient. You would have a hard time finding anyone currently at WTAMU outside of the athletic department who knows or cares about the Border Conference.

Just because something happened at one school doesn't mean it could happen at another but I suppose it's like if your friend jumped off a bridge you could too. Every school has their own desires, missions, and situations.

I have not seen an accurate statement by you about anything related to D2 which leads me to believe that you don't do enough research. It has been stated many times that Colorado Mesa has no desire or funding to move up but you keep bringing them up so that a gap on the map can be filled. I was not aware of CMU's financials until jacksfan29 stated what was happening and since then I have learned that they are not likely to get any help from the town either after a sales tax increase vote was defeated by a 2 to 1 margin in early April. I don't have the connections like jacksfan29 has but I have learned a lot about the RMAC because I live near USAFA north gate and I have met a former RMAC commissioner.

As I am seeing the signs, the NCAA and the P5 conferences, and the G5 for football may relax the rules which is why D3 Rowan wants to join D1 in a few years. Like I said, their could be a realignment to add several D2 schools and waved the waiver for them in the future. The issues is that the P5 schools are going belly up in debt even when they signed those big tv contracts. The Top D2 and maybe some D3 schools could move into D1 in less than 10 years because to address the issues about law suits by players and rape victims, the head injuries, players want to be treated as employees and so forth. Who do not move up, I could see that D2 and D3 will be merged as one body.

D1 could become a 4 tier football divisions with Tier 1 and Tier 2 as FBS and Tier 3 and 4 are FCS. Tier 4 would be the Ivy and Pioneer type schools with D3 schools involved in this.
D1 would break into 1-A for all the sports and 1-AA for all the sports. That means basketball will have two tiers at D1. This would weed out the weaker conferences, but will bring the strong teams out of those conferences into the stronger conferences for Tier 1 like Vermont, Milwaukee and Green Bay. New Conferences will be formed and some conferences will move up. RMAC conference with Colorado Mesa would be Tier 3 at the D1 level.

Colorado Mesa have been adding cheap women sports in recent years.
LAX
Beach Volleyball
varsity triathlon

When I look at their website right now, they have 14 men's sports, and 14 women's sports. They could add 2 more cheap women sports and one more men sports? They would be right there as a D1 team.

No!

(05-21-2017 11:12 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 08:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 03:59 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 04:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 12:55 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  Actually, my school was D2 not that long ago. My problem is you take a school in Western Colorado which you have no connection to, no idea what the school mission is, nor do you understand the economics or geography of the area. I live on Colorado's Western Slope. I know Mesa well. Know a couple former athletic department employees and have a friend who is a former athletic director of an RMAC school. Mesa State is not moving to D1. "End of discussion

Oh, UNC did win a D2 National Title and they were successful in the old North Central Conference. Success at D2 does not always equate to success at D1.

Boise State, Coastal Carolina, Youngstown State, and others who have won in D1 can tell you it could happen. Even West Texas A&M won the Border Conference over Texas Tech, Arizona, Arizona State and others.

Northern Kentucky said the exact same thing you did for Colorado Mesa and the others. Guess what? The right offer, and boom, they are D1. Colorado Mesa do fit in the region of the Big Sky north. So, if there is a split with the Big Sky schools? D2 schools would be could up. So, it could happen.

Seriously, WOW!

Yes, Northern Colorado football has not done well in D1 with a .290 winning percentage since their move in 2003 (after 2 national titles in 1996 and 1997). Colorado Mesa is NOT much better with a 56-56 record in that same time span. Eastern Washington can not be called a P5 killer when going 2 for the last 6 all against Pac-12 OR and WA schools.

It is true that this is a realignment board and it is meant to be fun but the key word is REALITY. Everyone else has a hint of realism in their post. In your fantasy, D2 would not exist. Schools must meet certain requirements to either join or move up in the NCAA and until they do meet the requirements AND express their interest they are not a target. Talking about any 2-year school is a waste of time because their status is determined by the state government, not the NCAA or NAIA.

How long ago were Boise State, Coastal Carolina, and Youngstown State in D2? West Texas A&M won that title in 1950 and the conference ended in 1962 and in sports history that is ancient. You would have a hard time finding anyone currently at WTAMU outside of the athletic department who knows or cares about the Border Conference.

Just because something happened at one school doesn't mean it could happen at another but I suppose it's like if your friend jumped off a bridge you could too. Every school has their own desires, missions, and situations.

I have not seen an accurate statement by you about anything related to D2 which leads me to believe that you don't do enough research. It has been stated many times that Colorado Mesa has no desire or funding to move up but you keep bringing them up so that a gap on the map can be filled. I was not aware of CMU's financials until jacksfan29 stated what was happening and since then I have learned that they are not likely to get any help from the town either after a sales tax increase vote was defeated by a 2 to 1 margin in early April. I don't have the connections like jacksfan29 has but I have learned a lot about the RMAC because I live near USAFA north gate and I have met a former RMAC commissioner.

As I am seeing the signs, the NCAA and the P5 conferences, and the G5 for football may relax the rules which is why D3 Rowan wants to join D1 in a few years. Like I said, their could be a realignment to add several D2 schools and waved the waiver for them in the future. The issues is that the P5 schools are going belly up in debt even when they signed those big tv contracts. The Top D2 and maybe some D3 schools could move into D1 in less than 10 years because to address the issues about law suits by players and rape victims, the head injuries, players want to be treated as employees and so forth. Who do not move up, I could see that D2 and D3 will be merged as one body.

D1 could become a 4 tier football divisions with Tier 1 and Tier 2 as FBS and Tier 3 and 4 are FCS. Tier 4 would be the Ivy and Pioneer type schools with D3 schools involved in this.
D1 would break into 1-A for all the sports and 1-AA for all the sports. That means basketball will have two tiers at D1. This would weed out the weaker conferences, but will bring the strong teams out of those conferences into the stronger conferences for Tier 1 like Vermont, Milwaukee and Green Bay. New Conferences will be formed and some conferences will move up. RMAC conference with Colorado Mesa would be Tier 3 at the D1 level.

Colorado Mesa have been adding cheap women sports in recent years.
LAX
Beach Volleyball
varsity triathlon

When I look at their website right now, they have 14 men's sports, and 14 women's sports. They could add 2 more cheap women sports and one more men sports? They would be right there as a D1 team.

No!

Then you do not know the economics to figure that D1 conferences and schools will fail. Adding schools like Colorado Mesa, Dixie State, Azusa Pacific, Oregon Tech, Colorado State-Pueblo, Western Washington, Western Oregon, Eastern Oregon, Montana Tech, Montana State-Billings, more Minnesota schools and so forth might help keep all the conferences at D1 from failing. It could add new rivalries to the schools at D1 which would mean more money at the ticket booths.

(05-21-2017 11:51 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 11:12 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 08:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 03:59 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 04:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State, Coastal Carolina, Youngstown State, and others who have won in D1 can tell you it could happen. Even West Texas A&M won the Border Conference over Texas Tech, Arizona, Arizona State and others.

Northern Kentucky said the exact same thing you did for Colorado Mesa and the others. Guess what? The right offer, and boom, they are D1. Colorado Mesa do fit in the region of the Big Sky north. So, if there is a split with the Big Sky schools? D2 schools would be could up. So, it could happen.

Seriously, WOW!

Yes, Northern Colorado football has not done well in D1 with a .290 winning percentage since their move in 2003 (after 2 national titles in 1996 and 1997). Colorado Mesa is NOT much better with a 56-56 record in that same time span. Eastern Washington can not be called a P5 killer when going 2 for the last 6 all against Pac-12 OR and WA schools.

It is true that this is a realignment board and it is meant to be fun but the key word is REALITY. Everyone else has a hint of realism in their post. In your fantasy, D2 would not exist. Schools must meet certain requirements to either join or move up in the NCAA and until they do meet the requirements AND express their interest they are not a target. Talking about any 2-year school is a waste of time because their status is determined by the state government, not the NCAA or NAIA.

How long ago were Boise State, Coastal Carolina, and Youngstown State in D2? West Texas A&M won that title in 1950 and the conference ended in 1962 and in sports history that is ancient. You would have a hard time finding anyone currently at WTAMU outside of the athletic department who knows or cares about the Border Conference.

Just because something happened at one school doesn't mean it could happen at another but I suppose it's like if your friend jumped off a bridge you could too. Every school has their own desires, missions, and situations.

I have not seen an accurate statement by you about anything related to D2 which leads me to believe that you don't do enough research. It has been stated many times that Colorado Mesa has no desire or funding to move up but you keep bringing them up so that a gap on the map can be filled. I was not aware of CMU's financials until jacksfan29 stated what was happening and since then I have learned that they are not likely to get any help from the town either after a sales tax increase vote was defeated by a 2 to 1 margin in early April. I don't have the connections like jacksfan29 has but I have learned a lot about the RMAC because I live near USAFA north gate and I have met a former RMAC commissioner.

As I am seeing the signs, the NCAA and the P5 conferences, and the G5 for football may relax the rules which is why D3 Rowan wants to join D1 in a few years. Like I said, their could be a realignment to add several D2 schools and waved the waiver for them in the future. The issues is that the P5 schools are going belly up in debt even when they signed those big tv contracts. The Top D2 and maybe some D3 schools could move into D1 in less than 10 years because to address the issues about law suits by players and rape victims, the head injuries, players want to be treated as employees and so forth. Who do not move up, I could see that D2 and D3 will be merged as one body.

D1 could become a 4 tier football divisions with Tier 1 and Tier 2 as FBS and Tier 3 and 4 are FCS. Tier 4 would be the Ivy and Pioneer type schools with D3 schools involved in this.
D1 would break into 1-A for all the sports and 1-AA for all the sports. That means basketball will have two tiers at D1. This would weed out the weaker conferences, but will bring the strong teams out of those conferences into the stronger conferences for Tier 1 like Vermont, Milwaukee and Green Bay. New Conferences will be formed and some conferences will move up. RMAC conference with Colorado Mesa would be Tier 3 at the D1 level.

Colorado Mesa have been adding cheap women sports in recent years.
LAX
Beach Volleyball
varsity triathlon

When I look at their website right now, they have 14 men's sports, and 14 women's sports. They could add 2 more cheap women sports and one more men sports? They would be right there as a D1 team.

No!

Then you do not know the economics to figure that D1 conferences and schools will fail.

I try and avoid engaging DavidSt, since it's better that he bug us with this--we are the CS&CR board, after all--than his friends and family.

But David, consider the logic of what you're saying.

1. Division I college sports is too expensive, is financially unsustainable.

That premise may or may not be true. But if it IS true, then your conclusion:

2. Dozens and scores of non-FBS schools are champing at the bit to move up to FBS / Division I

Makes no sense. If, say, the Big Sky is financially unsustainable because of travel costs relative to the program resources, then the answer cannot be--adding more schools with even fewer (or less?) resources. The reason schools have been moving up over the last 20 or so years is a "gold rush." When a gold rush ends, people move OUT of the boomtown, they usually don't send for their cousins back home because the cost of living has dropped.

If CUSA travel is expensive enough to force a reorganization, then it will be something relatively small, like adding 2 schools--not, I repeat NOT, 20--and a de facto conference split into eastern and western wings who only travel cross country on rare occassions (conference tournaments and such.) OR a wholesale shuffling of CUSA, Sun Belt (and maybe AAC if the sports-rights bubble really pops and there's just no more TV money.)

Quote:Adding schools like Colorado Mesa, Dixie State, Azusa Pacific, Oregon Tech, Colorado State-Pueblo, Western Washington, Western Oregon, Eastern Oregon, Montana Tech, Montana State-Billings, more Minnesota schools and so forth might help keep all the conferences at D1 from failing. It could add new rivalries to the schools at D1 which would mean more money at the ticket booths.

No it doesn't. Attendance is primarily a factor of the home team. Who's on the schedule is only important at the margins. UConn's attendance now with Tulane, Temple, Cincy, UCF, Syracuse and Maine isn't THAT different than it was in 2006 with Cincy, Pitt, Army, Navy, West Virginia, Wake Forest and New HAmpshire. About 30,000 vs about 40,000, a 25% drop (or a 33% increase, if you like) from a P5 to a G5 schedule.

The answer to UConn's football problems is NOT to upgrade Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Vermont and Stony Brook and revive the Yankee Conference.

(05-21-2017 11:51 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 11:12 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 08:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 03:59 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 04:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State, Coastal Carolina, Youngstown State, and others who have won in D1 can tell you it could happen. Even West Texas A&M won the Border Conference over Texas Tech, Arizona, Arizona State and others.

Northern Kentucky said the exact same thing you did for Colorado Mesa and the others. Guess what? The right offer, and boom, they are D1. Colorado Mesa do fit in the region of the Big Sky north. So, if there is a split with the Big Sky schools? D2 schools would be could up. So, it could happen.

Seriously, WOW!

Yes, Northern Colorado football has not done well in D1 with a .290 winning percentage since their move in 2003 (after 2 national titles in 1996 and 1997). Colorado Mesa is NOT much better with a 56-56 record in that same time span. Eastern Washington can not be called a P5 killer when going 2 for the last 6 all against Pac-12 OR and WA schools.

It is true that this is a realignment board and it is meant to be fun but the key word is REALITY. Everyone else has a hint of realism in their post. In your fantasy, D2 would not exist. Schools must meet certain requirements to either join or move up in the NCAA and until they do meet the requirements AND express their interest they are not a target. Talking about any 2-year school is a waste of time because their status is determined by the state government, not the NCAA or NAIA.

How long ago were Boise State, Coastal Carolina, and Youngstown State in D2? West Texas A&M won that title in 1950 and the conference ended in 1962 and in sports history that is ancient. You would have a hard time finding anyone currently at WTAMU outside of the athletic department who knows or cares about the Border Conference.

Just because something happened at one school doesn't mean it could happen at another but I suppose it's like if your friend jumped off a bridge you could too. Every school has their own desires, missions, and situations.

I have not seen an accurate statement by you about anything related to D2 which leads me to believe that you don't do enough research. It has been stated many times that Colorado Mesa has no desire or funding to move up but you keep bringing them up so that a gap on the map can be filled. I was not aware of CMU's financials until jacksfan29 stated what was happening and since then I have learned that they are not likely to get any help from the town either after a sales tax increase vote was defeated by a 2 to 1 margin in early April. I don't have the connections like jacksfan29 has but I have learned a lot about the RMAC because I live near USAFA north gate and I have met a former RMAC commissioner.

As I am seeing the signs, the NCAA and the P5 conferences, and the G5 for football may relax the rules which is why D3 Rowan wants to join D1 in a few years. Like I said, their could be a realignment to add several D2 schools and waved the waiver for them in the future. The issues is that the P5 schools are going belly up in debt even when they signed those big tv contracts. The Top D2 and maybe some D3 schools could move into D1 in less than 10 years because to address the issues about law suits by players and rape victims, the head injuries, players want to be treated as employees and so forth. Who do not move up, I could see that D2 and D3 will be merged as one body.

D1 could become a 4 tier football divisions with Tier 1 and Tier 2 as FBS and Tier 3 and 4 are FCS. Tier 4 would be the Ivy and Pioneer type schools with D3 schools involved in this.
D1 would break into 1-A for all the sports and 1-AA for all the sports. That means basketball will have two tiers at D1. This would weed out the weaker conferences, but will bring the strong teams out of those conferences into the stronger conferences for Tier 1 like Vermont, Milwaukee and Green Bay. New Conferences will be formed and some conferences will move up. RMAC conference with Colorado Mesa would be Tier 3 at the D1 level.

Colorado Mesa have been adding cheap women sports in recent years.
LAX
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varsity triathlon

When I look at their website right now, they have 14 men's sports, and 14 women's sports. They could add 2 more cheap women sports and one more men sports? They would be right there as a D1 team.

No!

Then you do not know the economics to figure that D1 conferences and schools will fail. Adding schools like Colorado Mesa, Dixie State, Azusa Pacific, Oregon Tech, Colorado State-Pueblo, Western Washington, Western Oregon, Eastern Oregon, Montana Tech, Montana State-Billings, more Minnesota schools and so forth might help keep all the conferences at D1 from failing. It could add new rivalries to the schools at D1 which would mean more money at the ticket booths.

All you post is your fantasy and refuse to comprehend the facts everyone tells you. Don't try to tell me what I do not know; when you post a list of schools with club ice hockey that could become varsity which includes 2 schools that are already varsity and one of those had just lost the NCAA national championship game three weeks earlier it shows a lot of what you do not know.

(05-21-2017 01:15 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 11:51 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 11:12 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 08:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 03:59 AM)AZcats Wrote:  Seriously, WOW!

Yes, Northern Colorado football has not done well in D1 with a .290 winning percentage since their move in 2003 (after 2 national titles in 1996 and 1997). Colorado Mesa is NOT much better with a 56-56 record in that same time span. Eastern Washington can not be called a P5 killer when going 2 for the last 6 all against Pac-12 OR and WA schools.

It is true that this is a realignment board and it is meant to be fun but the key word is REALITY. Everyone else has a hint of realism in their post. In your fantasy, D2 would not exist. Schools must meet certain requirements to either join or move up in the NCAA and until they do meet the requirements AND express their interest they are not a target. Talking about any 2-year school is a waste of time because their status is determined by the state government, not the NCAA or NAIA.

How long ago were Boise State, Coastal Carolina, and Youngstown State in D2? West Texas A&M won that title in 1950 and the conference ended in 1962 and in sports history that is ancient. You would have a hard time finding anyone currently at WTAMU outside of the athletic department who knows or cares about the Border Conference.

Just because something happened at one school doesn't mean it could happen at another but I suppose it's like if your friend jumped off a bridge you could too. Every school has their own desires, missions, and situations.

I have not seen an accurate statement by you about anything related to D2 which leads me to believe that you don't do enough research. It has been stated many times that Colorado Mesa has no desire or funding to move up but you keep bringing them up so that a gap on the map can be filled. I was not aware of CMU's financials until jacksfan29 stated what was happening and since then I have learned that they are not likely to get any help from the town either after a sales tax increase vote was defeated by a 2 to 1 margin in early April. I don't have the connections like jacksfan29 has but I have learned a lot about the RMAC because I live near USAFA north gate and I have met a former RMAC commissioner.

As I am seeing the signs, the NCAA and the P5 conferences, and the G5 for football may relax the rules which is why D3 Rowan wants to join D1 in a few years. Like I said, their could be a realignment to add several D2 schools and waved the waiver for them in the future. The issues is that the P5 schools are going belly up in debt even when they signed those big tv contracts. The Top D2 and maybe some D3 schools could move into D1 in less than 10 years because to address the issues about law suits by players and rape victims, the head injuries, players want to be treated as employees and so forth. Who do not move up, I could see that D2 and D3 will be merged as one body.

D1 could become a 4 tier football divisions with Tier 1 and Tier 2 as FBS and Tier 3 and 4 are FCS. Tier 4 would be the Ivy and Pioneer type schools with D3 schools involved in this.
D1 would break into 1-A for all the sports and 1-AA for all the sports. That means basketball will have two tiers at D1. This would weed out the weaker conferences, but will bring the strong teams out of those conferences into the stronger conferences for Tier 1 like Vermont, Milwaukee and Green Bay. New Conferences will be formed and some conferences will move up. RMAC conference with Colorado Mesa would be Tier 3 at the D1 level.

Colorado Mesa have been adding cheap women sports in recent years.
LAX
Beach Volleyball
varsity triathlon

When I look at their website right now, they have 14 men's sports, and 14 women's sports. They could add 2 more cheap women sports and one more men sports? They would be right there as a D1 team.

No!

Then you do not know the economics to figure that D1 conferences and schools will fail.

I try and avoid engaging DavidSt, since it's better that he bug us with this--we are the CS&CR board, after all--than his friends and family.

But David, consider the logic of what you're saying.

1. Division I college sports is too expensive, is financially unsustainable.

That premise may or may not be true. But if it IS true, then your conclusion:

2. Dozens and scores of non-FBS schools are champing at the bit to move up to FBS / Division I

Makes no sense. If, say, the Big Sky is financially unsustainable because of travel costs relative to the program resources, then the answer cannot be--adding more schools with even fewer (or less?) resources. The reason schools have been moving up over the last 20 or so years is a "gold rush." When a gold rush ends, people move OUT of the boomtown, they usually don't send for their cousins back home because the cost of living has dropped.

If CUSA travel is expensive enough to force a reorganization, then it will be something relatively small, like adding 2 schools--not, I repeat NOT, 20--and a de facto conference split into eastern and western wings who only travel cross country on rare occassions (conference tournaments and such.) OR a wholesale shuffling of CUSA, Sun Belt (and maybe AAC if the sports-rights bubble really pops and there's just no more TV money.)

Quote:Adding schools like Colorado Mesa, Dixie State, Azusa Pacific, Oregon Tech, Colorado State-Pueblo, Western Washington, Western Oregon, Eastern Oregon, Montana Tech, Montana State-Billings, more Minnesota schools and so forth might help keep all the conferences at D1 from failing. It could add new rivalries to the schools at D1 which would mean more money at the ticket booths.

No it doesn't. Attendance is primarily a factor of the home team. Who's on the schedule is only important at the margins. UConn's attendance now with Tulane, Temple, Cincy, UCF, Syracuse and Maine isn't THAT different than it was in 2006 with Cincy, Pitt, Army, Navy, West Virginia, Wake Forest and New HAmpshire. About 30,000 vs about 40,000, a 25% drop (or a 33% increase, if you like) from a P5 to a G5 schedule.

The answer to UConn's football problems is NOT to upgrade Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Vermont and Stony Brook and revive the Yankee Conference.

But, the fans and alums want to join their old rivalries. Central Washington and Eastern Washington are old rivals when Eastern was in D2. Adding them to the Big Sky would help because the fans from both schools could travel to the games like they can't do when Eastern visits Montana. It could help bring the average attendance up for both schools which means more money. North Texas's attendance that are higher up are usually when another Texas school shows up. That is what I am pointing out. Maybe Western Oregon and Eastern Oregon fans do travel to Portland State? It may help Portland State out for having more home games against instate rivals. That is what gets the fans more exciting.

(05-21-2017 07:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  But, the fans and alums want to join their old rivalries.

What fans? To a rough approximation, THERE ARE NO FANS.

Central Washington had 4,000 people per game last year. Figure a good chunk of them are current students. But let's say that 1000 diehard Central Washington fans road trip to Eastern Washington, spend $50 each on tickets. That's $50,000 every other year, so $25000 a year using wildly optimistic estimates.

Quote: It may help Portland State out for having more home games against instate rivals. That is what gets the fans more exciting.

1. There are not enough fans for these schools to make it matter if they're excited or not.
2. The benefit of these in-state rivalry games is minimal in any case. If the road team's fans road tripping to your games is a big factor in your attendance, it's because you're playing a school that's in a different category than you, like when Nebraska played at Wyoming and Husker fans took over half the stadium. When Wyoming played at Nebraska, the Cowboy presence was trivial.

What you're suggesting is trying to duplicate the Nebraska-to-Wyoming influx by bringing Eastern, Southern, Western and Northern Wyoming into the Mountain West. It doesn't work that way.

(05-21-2017 07:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  But, the fans and alums want to join their old rivalries. Central Washington and Eastern Washington are old rivals when Eastern was in D2. Adding them to the Big Sky would help because the fans from both schools could travel to the games like they can't do when Eastern visits Montana. It could help bring the average attendance up for both schools which means more money. North Texas's attendance that are higher up are usually when another Texas school shows up. That is what I am pointing out. Maybe Western Oregon and Eastern Oregon fans do travel to Portland State? It may help Portland State out for having more home games against instate rivals. That is what gets the fans more exciting.

No one is going to move up with the reason as "we want to renew an old rivalry"; that is never a consideration in deciding whether or not to move. If you're worried about an old rivalry from 10 or 100 years ago, you really need to find a way to get over it. Maybe this will help. Arkansas Tech had a nearly 70-year rivalry that ended in 2006. It's now eleven years later and I really do not give any thought to that school. They are just another D1 school. Yes, I still hate them. Notice I never say the name of the school, it is the only school I never mention by name. I still call them "the purple place down the road". That old rivalry is done and the book is closed. ATU has new rivalries now that are just as exciting. It will not bother me at all if we never play on that horrendous eyesore of a purple-grey striped field again. I also have family members who went there.

(05-21-2017 08:15 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 07:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  But, the fans and alums want to join their old rivalries.

What fans? To a rough approximation, THERE ARE NO FANS.

Central Washington had 4,000 people per game last year. Figure a good chunk of them are current students. But let's say that 1000 diehard Central Washington fans road trip to Eastern Washington, spend $50 each on tickets. That's $50,000 every other year, so $25000 a year using wildly optimistic estimates.

Quote: It may help Portland State out for having more home games against instate rivals. That is what gets the fans more exciting.

1. There are not enough fans for these schools to make it matter if they're excited or not.
2. The benefit of these in-state rivalry games is minimal in any case. If the road team's fans road tripping to your games is a big factor in your attendance, it's because you're playing a school that's in a different category than you, like when Nebraska played at Wyoming and Husker fans took over half the stadium. When Wyoming played at Nebraska, the Cowboy presence was trivial.

What you're suggesting is trying to duplicate the Nebraska-to-Wyoming influx by bringing Eastern, Southern, Western and Northern Wyoming into the Mountain West. It doesn't work that way.

GNAC football is virtually dead when you have to play the same school twice a year. The three GNAC and the two affiliate schools for football might have a much better luck scheduling at a D1 level. That is a problem why the GNAC schools have a lower turnout. It is the issue that most of the games are teams not from the west coast which means not many fans travel to show up. Those 5 would have more teams to play against than they do right now.

(05-22-2017 01:58 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 08:15 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 07:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  But, the fans and alums want to join their old rivalries.

What fans? To a rough approximation, THERE ARE NO FANS.

Central Washington had 4,000 people per game last year. Figure a good chunk of them are current students. But let's say that 1000 diehard Central Washington fans road trip to Eastern Washington, spend $50 each on tickets. That's $50,000 every other year, so $25000 a year using wildly optimistic estimates.

Quote: It may help Portland State out for having more home games against instate rivals. That is what gets the fans more exciting.

1. There are not enough fans for these schools to make it matter if they're excited or not.
2. The benefit of these in-state rivalry games is minimal in any case. If the road team's fans road tripping to your games is a big factor in your attendance, it's because you're playing a school that's in a different category than you, like when Nebraska played at Wyoming and Husker fans took over half the stadium. When Wyoming played at Nebraska, the Cowboy presence was trivial.

What you're suggesting is trying to duplicate the Nebraska-to-Wyoming influx by bringing Eastern, Southern, Western and Northern Wyoming into the Mountain West. It doesn't work that way.

GNAC football is virtually dead when you have to play the same school twice a year. The three GNAC and the two affiliate schools for football might have a much better luck scheduling at a D1 level. Those 5 would have more teams to play against than they do right now.

That actually makes sense. If GNAC has only 5 teams, and those teams are so hard up for opponents that they're doing home-and-homes, then it makes sense for those teams to look to move up.

But that doesn't mean it makes sense for the Big Sky (or the Southland, or the MVFC) to invite them. Maybe the WAC, desperate as they are, has reasons.

Of course, there is another alternative--drop football and eliminate the expense of the program.

Quote:That is a problem why the GNAC schools have a lower turnout. It is the issue that most of the games are teams not from the west coast which means not many fans travel to show up.

That. Doesn't. Matter. Apart from maybe a half-dozen schools, FCS games might as well be played in empty stadiums for all the difference ticket sales make. Much less non-Division I football.

(05-22-2017 01:58 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 08:15 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 07:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  But, the fans and alums want to join their old rivalries.

What fans? To a rough approximation, THERE ARE NO FANS.

Central Washington had 4,000 people per game last year. Figure a good chunk of them are current students. But let's say that 1000 diehard Central Washington fans road trip to Eastern Washington, spend $50 each on tickets. That's $50,000 every other year, so $25000 a year using wildly optimistic estimates.

Quote: It may help Portland State out for having more home games against instate rivals. That is what gets the fans more exciting.

1. There are not enough fans for these schools to make it matter if they're excited or not.
2. The benefit of these in-state rivalry games is minimal in any case. If the road team's fans road tripping to your games is a big factor in your attendance, it's because you're playing a school that's in a different category than you, like when Nebraska played at Wyoming and Husker fans took over half the stadium. When Wyoming played at Nebraska, the Cowboy presence was trivial.

What you're suggesting is trying to duplicate the Nebraska-to-Wyoming influx by bringing Eastern, Southern, Western and Northern Wyoming into the Mountain West. It doesn't work that way.

GNAC football is virtually dead when you have to play the same school twice a year. The three GNAC and the two affiliate schools for football might have a much better luck scheduling at a D1 level. That is a problem why the GNAC schools have a lower turnout. It is the issue that most of the games are teams not from the west coast which means not many fans travel to show up. Those 5 would have more teams to play against than they do right now.

These schools have choices. Yes, one is moving up to FCS but they better figure out how to get the WAC to start up FCS FB so they can find a league to play in. The Big Sky is not a home for wayward D2 schools.

The GNAC schools can drop FB or they can go down to NAIA.

To move up they need a league where they can play FB. Currently there is not a league available to them.