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Will The Summit League be reformed as a Northern League??
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RE: Will The Summit League be reformed as a Northern League??
(05-07-2017 03:03 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
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(05-07-2017 01:27 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I don't think the Summit is attractive to the Montanas and Idaho.

I think the Summit's future is as a northern league but not a northern league that stretches to the Pacific Northwest.

When the next member departs the Dakota 4, Omaha, and Denver will hold a super majority and be able to guide the future of the league. I see future members being schools like Minn St Mankato, Minn-Duluth, St Cloud St, N Colorado, and UMKC.

If there is a dramatic change among the Montanas and Idaho I would expect something more along the lines of the Northern Big Sky schools seperating from the less prestigious southern ones.
It would take a pretty serious change in direction, but the Summit League could take over the NCHC. Adding Minnesota-Duluth and Saint Cloud State would give the Summit five for hockey. Colorado College would have no other option but to follow as a hockey-only member. Western Michigan and Miami would probably fall in line as well. The Minnesota schools could drop football and add men's soccer as part of their Division I transition. The schools that have baseball would be under no obligation to continue sponsoring that sport as well.

I agree. Taking over the NCHC should be a goal of the Summit going forward and I think the 3 current hockey schools will use the power of their votes to achieve it. I guess the big question is would the Minnesota hockey schools be able to bring their football up to FCS?

Zero chance any of them could make FCS football work or at least scholarship football. They would need to go the Omaha route.
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If one of the three of W Ill, IPFW, IUPUI leave, the other two will go too. Even if it's the Atlantic Sun. Face it, travel to Florida is much cheaper that to the Dakotas and much better for recruiting and alumni interest. W Ill and IPFW have been facing major budget crisis, so that's further ammunition to make a change. The IP's have been itching to leave since they got Summit membership, or in the case of W Ill, every founding member has left them. W Ill ideally wants to protect its membership in the MVFC, nothing else much matters. They have never been to a dance in almost 50 years at DI.

When those three go, getting a DII moveups doesnt do anything for the Summit, as the transitions takes too long. UND won't join a six team league unless reinforcements from established DI's are coming. UND will be sitting in the cat bird seat, much to the chagrin of the other Dakotas.

If UMKC repents and comes back, the WAC is suddenly in trouble. Either way one conference loses its autobid unless the Big Sky gives up schools.
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(05-07-2017 01:57 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I don't think the Montanas, and definitely not EWU would move to this Summit League without Portland State. Portland State is in a big metro, and is in a city with an international airport. I believe the football team plays in the MLS Portland Timbers stadium, so it's nothing to sneeze at, IMO.

The Portland stadium is being expanded but the Portland soccer teams, the Timbers and the lower division Thorns want the Vikings out. PSU has played to sparse crowds in a HS stadium in suburban Hillsboro before for renovation and scheduling reasons. PSU and Sac St have brought practically nothing to the Big Sky but problems. UND just swept the leagues four major championships, and we're only getting better in those four which aren't even our best sport, and we were shown the door as a travel problem. Most of the Big Sky is not interested in excellence. Idaho and the Montanas may be the exceptions.
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Here's something else to ponder for the Summit: do you seek out Northern Colorado to replace IUPUI(or whoever)?

It's your 6th football school and you can takeover the MVFC.

Denver gets a travel partner.
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(05-07-2017 03:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Lol. More Fantasy from NoDak

Always Dreaming won the Kentucky Derby yesterday. Sometimes dreamers win in the end. Just takes patience and believe or not faith. Dreams and interpretations were a frequent occurrence in the Scriptures.
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(05-07-2017 01:38 PM)Shox Wrote:  The perfect school for this is Wyoming. They would drop football out of spite before doing it but they would fit all sports very well. The other that would work well and balance out Denver is Air Force Olympics if football went to the American.

The Shockers could be a fb affiliate for a time if/when they get it going. Clearly, they didn't want to incubate a fb program in the MVFC.

Wyoming has an advantage in that it is close to the Front Range. The MWC would have to fallook apart first. But it would be a very nice add, as they are all similar flagship and academic schools.
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montana schools will never give up playing in the northwest and cali. that is where they recruit. you can tell the whole wac thing is dead with this new scheme lol


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(05-07-2017 07:59 PM)billings Wrote:  montana schools will never give up playing in the northwest and cali. that is where they recruit. you can tell the whole wac thing is dead with this new scheme lol


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So in your eyes the Montanas are married to the mediocrity of Portland St and Sac St. Those are such big names in their own cities, not. Montana recruits heavily the LA metro in basketball. Guess Sac St and NAU get a lot of publicity there. 07-coffee3

The WAC would work but there are fewer moving parts and Liberty has proven that WAC membership isn't needed for FBS.
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Will The Summit League be reformed as a Northern League??
(05-07-2017 08:07 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 07:59 PM)billings Wrote:  montana schools will never give up playing in the northwest and cali. that is where they recruit. you can tell the whole wac thing is dead with this new scheme lol


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So in your eyes the Montanas are married to the mediocrity of Portland St and Sac St. Those are such big names in their own cities, not. Montana recruits heavily the LA metro in basketball. Guess Sac St and NAU get a lot of publicity there. 07-coffee3

The WAC would work but there are fewer moving parts and Liberty has proven that WAC membership isn't needed for FBS.


yep. large alumni base in portland, spokane, slc (weber state) and nor cal with direct air connections. zero alumni base or direct flights in/to the dakotas. aint happening. huge hit on travel and fan base along with recruiting. keep dreaming. montana fans are celebrating the loss of und to avoid that travel mess for oly sports


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(05-07-2017 09:55 PM)billings Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 08:07 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-07-2017 07:59 PM)billings Wrote:  montana schools will never give up playing in the northwest and cali. that is where they recruit. you can tell the whole wac thing is dead with this new scheme lol


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So in your eyes the Montanas are married to the mediocrity of Portland St and Sac St. Those are such big names in their own cities, not. Montana recruits heavily the LA metro in basketball. Guess Sac St and NAU get a lot of publicity there. 07-coffee3

The WAC would work but there are fewer moving parts and Liberty has proven that WAC membership isn't needed for FBS.


yep. large alumni base in portland, spokane, slc (weber state) and nor cal with direct air connections. zero alumni base or direct flights in/to the dakotas. aint happening. huge hit on travel and fan base along with recruiting. keep dreaming
Might as well join an NAIA league if that kind of exposure is tactical to the Montanas.

Last year, PSU attracted 728 and 705 total fans to their Montana and Montana St mbb games. An awful lot of Montanans showed up to make it worth it. 01-ncaabbs
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