https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-fo...et-big-12/

http://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/c...309138001/

This Again?

. . . How sweet, someone wake me when something actually happens . . .

I mean Finebaum starts running his mouth and nobody calls him on it? That's how this started. So the conference is getting paid out more than $30M per school is just going to walk away to play schools that are not near them. Sure.

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The end result is Texas and the Longhorn Network. It was the initial kick starter to the current mess all this is in and it will be what rips that conference apart. But idiot Paul isn't a genius for saying it, it been being said ever since its inception.

And no new conference will accept Texas as long as they have that network.

Paul Finebaum is not my cup of tea 90% of the time but he is far from an idiot. His callers that is a different story. He knows exactly what he is doing and what comes out of his mouth. Same with Cowherd. His job is to get listeners and push buttons, being fair and 100% accurate is not what national radio hosts are hired for or how they keep their multi million dollar yearly salaries.

All that is true, but conference members do not like Texas and they really don't like the TV deal with Texas. Nebraska bolting said a lot. A Big 12 conference race without a OK / Neb game just isn't right.

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Will happen, but it is a few years away.

When it happens, the fallout will be massive.

But, I don't think any conference movement occurs until UT and OU make their move.

(05-05-2017 01:07 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  Will happen, but it is a few years away.

When it happens, the fallout will be massive.

But, I don't think any conference movement occurs until UT and OU make their move.

Unless Texas is willing to give up LHN they really have no place to go until 2034 (think that's the last year of the contract without looking it up).

Texas isn't doing anything unless forced and that only happens if OU is able to find a path out, whether that is going on their own or part of a package with OKST or Kansas.

Big XII loses OU then Texas has no choice. They cannot command the donations and ticket prices if the caliber of Big XII drops further.

(05-05-2017 01:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Big XII loses OU then Texas has no choice. They cannot command the donations and ticket prices if the caliber of Big XII drops further.

I think this is precisely what will happen.

I see the SEC landing OU and UT going to the PAC just so they are not seen as "following" A&M, something you alluded to recently I believe.

(05-05-2017 01:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 01:07 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  Will happen, but it is a few years away.

When it happens, the fallout will be massive.

But, I don't think any conference movement occurs until UT and OU make their move.

Unless Texas is willing to give up LHN they really have no place to go until 2034 (think that's the last year of the contract without looking it up).

Texas isn't doing anything unless forced and that only happens if OU is able to find a path out, whether that is going on their own or part of a package with OKST or Kansas.

Big XII loses OU then Texas has no choice. They cannot command the donations and ticket prices if the caliber of Big XII drops further.

2024-2025 contract ends.

(05-05-2017 09:58 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  Paul Finebaum is not my cup of tea 90% of the time but he is far from an idiot. His callers that is a different story. He knows exactly what he is doing and what comes out of his mouth. Same with Cowherd. His job is to get listeners and push buttons, being fair and 100% accurate is not what national radio hosts are hired for or how they keep their multi million dollar yearly salaries.

Paul is a good interviewer, his show is garbage. As far as Cowherd is concerned, he's a hack. Constantly making claims, Bama's run is over, the Spurs are over, he makes all these claims and eventually he will be right and he'll announce how smart he his and that he called it before anyone else. Used to listen to The Herd, but can't do it anymore. As far as Paul's show is concerned, as soon as he says lets go to the phones I can't get to the channel change button fast enough.

(05-05-2017 02:27 PM)Golota Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 01:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 01:07 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  Will happen, but it is a few years away.

When it happens, the fallout will be massive.

But, I don't think any conference movement occurs until UT and OU make their move.

Unless Texas is willing to give up LHN they really have no place to go until 2034 (think that's the last year of the contract without looking it up).

Texas isn't doing anything unless forced and that only happens if OU is able to find a path out, whether that is going on their own or part of a package with OKST or Kansas.

Big XII loses OU then Texas has no choice. They cannot command the donations and ticket prices if the caliber of Big XII drops further.

2024-2025 contract ends.

well, ut-austin could go indy like byu and notre dame. they would be able to schedule the biggest baddest teams to come to austin and play in front of 100,000 fans paying high dollars and their tv games would demand a higher premium than vs the likes of iowa state and kansas for example. they could pick the b12 teams they still wanted to play and have happy fans and boosters. so as I see it, the sky would not fall after all. IMHO

(05-05-2017 06:14 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 02:27 PM)Golota Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 01:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 01:07 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  Will happen, but it is a few years away.

When it happens, the fallout will be massive.

But, I don't think any conference movement occurs until UT and OU make their move.

Unless Texas is willing to give up LHN they really have no place to go until 2034 (think that's the last year of the contract without looking it up).

Texas isn't doing anything unless forced and that only happens if OU is able to find a path out, whether that is going on their own or part of a package with OKST or Kansas.

Big XII loses OU then Texas has no choice. They cannot command the donations and ticket prices if the caliber of Big XII drops further.

2024-2025 contract ends.

well, ut-austin could go indy like byu and notre dame. they would be able to schedule the biggest baddest teams to come to austin and play in front of 100,000 fans paying high dollars and their tv games would demand a higher premium than vs the likes of iowa state and kansas for example. they could pick the b12 teams they still wanted to play and have happy fans and boosters. so as I see it, the sky would not fall after all. IMHO

While UT is richer than Gawd, and would certainly have no trouble shouldering the "costs" of going Indy, I really don't see it happening.

UT Fans, Alum, and Big Buck contributors are going to want to be part of a Conference. It's another potential Title to claim. Horn has already threatened in the past to head West to the PAC 12 should the need arise.

I suspect that would play out before any kind of "Indy scenario" in Austin . . .

(05-05-2017 06:25 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 06:14 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 02:27 PM)Golota Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 01:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 01:07 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  Will happen, but it is a few years away.

When it happens, the fallout will be massive.

But, I don't think any conference movement occurs until UT and OU make their move.

Unless Texas is willing to give up LHN they really have no place to go until 2034 (think that's the last year of the contract without looking it up).

Texas isn't doing anything unless forced and that only happens if OU is able to find a path out, whether that is going on their own or part of a package with OKST or Kansas.

Big XII loses OU then Texas has no choice. They cannot command the donations and ticket prices if the caliber of Big XII drops further.

2024-2025 contract ends.

well, ut-austin could go indy like byu and notre dame. they would be able to schedule the biggest baddest teams to come to austin and play in front of 100,000 fans paying high dollars and their tv games would demand a higher premium than vs the likes of iowa state and kansas for example. they could pick the b12 teams they still wanted to play and have happy fans and boosters. so as I see it, the sky would not fall after all. IMHO

While UT is richer than Gawd, and would certainly have no trouble shouldering the "costs" of going Indy, I really don't see it happening.

UT Fans, Alum, and Big Buck contributors are going to want to be part of a Conference. It's another potential Title to claim. Horn has already threatened in the past to head West to the PAC 12 should the need arise.

I suspect that would play out before any kind of "Indy scenario" in Austin . . .

That's what I'm thinking. UT + TCU/Houston/TTU go Pac12. OU + Kansas go BIG. Those are the only ones I think are sure things. I feel like OSU and WVU go SEC but who knows. If everybody's going to 16 ACC and Notre Dame should just bite the bullet and make it official, and throw UConn in for the bball. The rest of the B12 are dunzo. P4 arriveth. Then we're all screwed.

(05-05-2017 12:13 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  All that is true, but conference members do not like Texas and they really don't like the TV deal with Texas. Nebraska bolting said a lot. A Big 12 conference race without a OK / Neb game just isn't right.

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Nobody is walking away from $30M plus a year when the alternative is being what? G5?

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(05-05-2017 10:28 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 06:25 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 06:14 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 02:27 PM)Golota Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 01:11 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Unless Texas is willing to give up LHN they really have no place to go until 2034 (think that's the last year of the contract without looking it up).

Texas isn't doing anything unless forced and that only happens if OU is able to find a path out, whether that is going on their own or part of a package with OKST or Kansas.

Big XII loses OU then Texas has no choice. They cannot command the donations and ticket prices if the caliber of Big XII drops further.

2024-2025 contract ends.

well, ut-austin could go indy like byu and notre dame. they would be able to schedule the biggest baddest teams to come to austin and play in front of 100,000 fans paying high dollars and their tv games would demand a higher premium than vs the likes of iowa state and kansas for example. they could pick the b12 teams they still wanted to play and have happy fans and boosters. so as I see it, the sky would not fall after all. IMHO

While UT is richer than Gawd, and would certainly have no trouble shouldering the "costs" of going Indy, I really don't see it happening.

UT Fans, Alum, and Big Buck contributors are going to want to be part of a Conference. It's another potential Title to claim. Horn has already threatened in the past to head West to the PAC 12 should the need arise.

I suspect that would play out before any kind of "Indy scenario" in Austin . . .

That's what I'm thinking. UT + TCU/Houston/TTU go Pac12. OU + Kansas go BIG. Those are the only ones I think are sure things. I feel like OSU and WVU go SEC but who knows. If everybody's going to 16 ACC and Notre Dame should just bite the bullet and make it official, and throw UConn in for the bball. The rest of the B12 are dunzo. P4 arriveth. Then we're all screwed.

We've been screwed from the day the P5 was created. We now essentially play at a different level than those conferences. A major upheaval in the G5 conferences is coming once a P4 is established. It'll work out great for some, horribly for others.

(05-06-2017 04:57 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 10:28 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 06:25 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 06:14 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 02:27 PM)Golota Wrote:  2024-2025 contract ends.

well, ut-austin could go indy like byu and notre dame. they would be able to schedule the biggest baddest teams to come to austin and play in front of 100,000 fans paying high dollars and their tv games would demand a higher premium than vs the likes of iowa state and kansas for example. they could pick the b12 teams they still wanted to play and have happy fans and boosters. so as I see it, the sky would not fall after all. IMHO

While UT is richer than Gawd, and would certainly have no trouble shouldering the "costs" of going Indy, I really don't see it happening.

UT Fans, Alum, and Big Buck contributors are going to want to be part of a Conference. It's another potential Title to claim. Horn has already threatened in the past to head West to the PAC 12 should the need arise.

I suspect that would play out before any kind of "Indy scenario" in Austin . . .

That's what I'm thinking. UT + TCU/Houston/TTU go Pac12. OU + Kansas go BIG. Those are the only ones I think are sure things. I feel like OSU and WVU go SEC but who knows. If everybody's going to 16 ACC and Notre Dame should just bite the bullet and make it official, and throw UConn in for the bball. The rest of the B12 are dunzo. P4 arriveth. Then we're all screwed.

We've been screwed from the day the P5 was created. We now essentially play at a different level than those conferences. A major upheaval in the G5 conferences is coming once a P4 is established. It'll work out great for some, horribly for others.

the pac12 will never invite houston or tech but you are right about the tea sippers wanting to be in a conference. they feel better if they are the best of some group. they have had some down years but with unlimited funds and a rabid fanbase, they would be the happiest if they could feel like they were the elite school in any kind of group of schools that were perceived by the rest of the world as top notch. many of the b12 schools are not, so there is the rub.

A year old, but quite eye opening.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegespor...g-picture/

(05-06-2017 03:14 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 12:13 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  All that is true, but conference members do not like Texas and they really don't like the TV deal with Texas. Nebraska bolting said a lot. A Big 12 conference race without a OK / Neb game just isn't right.

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Nobody is walking away from $30M plus a year when the alternative is being what? G5?

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You remind me of our former AD. Always using the absurd as examples.

(05-06-2017 11:52 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 03:14 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 12:13 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  All that is true, but conference members do not like Texas and they really don't like the TV deal with Texas. Nebraska bolting said a lot. A Big 12 conference race without a OK / Neb game just isn't right.

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Nobody is walking away from $30M plus a year when the alternative is being what? G5?

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You remind me of our former AD. Always using the absurd as examples.

Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State exit and you think what's left is a Power conference?

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