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Looks like the AAC will simply add leftovers once BIG XII dissolves?
Trying to read the tea leaves here and decipher the truth out of all the speculation but it appears that the BIG XII will eventually completely dissolve. This would be different than the Big East leftovers situation because the BIG XII conference would simply cease to exist. Therefore, those potential 2-4 schools on the outside looking in wouldn't have the same bargaining power that UCONN, UC, & USF had when they started cherry picking mostly C-USA programs to join them.

I think that adding BIG XII leftovers is an important step in making the AAC a power conference and this will further enhance and bolster our narrative, earning potential and the perception of our league.

American Athletic Conference is making a power grab - Boston Globe

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/colleg...story.html

Aresco said the American already has the athletic achievements of a power conference, citing UConn’s 2014 men’s basketball title and the school’s three women’s basketball national championships since the league was formed in 2013, after the breakup of the old Big East.

He said the key now is to find a ‘‘legislative path’’ to be counted among the other big conferences when it comes to autonomy and post-season consideration, especially in football.

‘‘We’ll also need a better TV deal, we know that,’’ he said. ‘‘But the very first step is to be perceived by you, the media and the fans as a P6 conference. Perception in many cases becomes reality.’’
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RE: Looks like the AAC will simply add leftovers once BIG XII dissolves?
(05-03-2017 04:46 PM)B easy Wrote:  Trying to read the tea leaves here and decipher the truth out of all the speculation but it appears that the BIG XII will eventually completely dissolve. This would be different than the Big East leftovers situation because the BIG XII conference would simply cease to exist. Therefore, those potential 2-4 schools on the outside looking in wouldn't have the same bargaining power that UCONN, UC, & USF had when they started cherry picking mostly C-USA programs to join them.

I think that adding BIG XII leftovers is an important step in making the AAC a power conference and this will further enhance and bolster our narrative, earning potential and the perception of our league.

American Athletic Conference is making a power grab - Boston Globe

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/colleg...story.html

Aresco said the American already has the athletic achievements of a power conference, citing UConn’s 2014 men’s basketball title and the school’s three women’s basketball national championships since the league was formed in 2013, after the breakup of the old Big East.

He said the key now is to find a ‘‘legislative path’’ to be counted among the other big conferences when it comes to autonomy and post-season consideration, especially in football.

‘‘We’ll also need a better TV deal, we know that,’’ he said. ‘‘But the very first step is to be perceived by you, the media and the fans as a P6 conference. Perception in many cases becomes reality.’’

If be shocked, but it did happen that way for the SWC and WAC 16....I can hope
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RE: Looks like the AAC will simply add leftovers once BIG XII dissolves?
I just hope WVU has to be in a conference with ECU again.

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It would actually be nice to get TCU, WVU & whoever else is leftover. Would really be a nice league.
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RE: Looks like the AAC will simply add leftovers once BIG XII dissolves?
Hopefully a new conference can be formed. We need to start from scratch not add to the AAC.
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Looks like the AAC will simply add leftovers once BIG XII dissolves?
Hmmm , not sure about that
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RE: Looks like the AAC will simply add leftovers once BIG XII dissolves?
pick the best of the b12 rejects and roll


but we don't lose any AAC current members

sure I think Tulane and Tulsa suck but they are with us now and with us they shall be
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RE: Looks like the AAC will simply add leftovers once BIG XII dissolves?
The AAC poaching any remaining Big 12 teams is wishful deaming
If as many as three teams remain in the Big12 they will cherry pick the best of the MWC and the AAC.

For one thing they are centrally located and can go East and West.
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(05-03-2017 06:55 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  The AAC poaching any remaining Big 12 teams is wishful deaming
If as many as three teams remain in the Big12 they will cherry pick the best of the MWC and the AAC.

You'd have to check the Big XII bylaws. If the majority of the BIG XII were to decide to leave, why would they let the poor left-behinds keep the residuals and exit fees rather than dissolve the conference?
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Just as long as Tech rots in hell. They can go to the SB.
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(05-03-2017 07:19 PM)Enriquillo Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 06:55 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  The AAC poaching any remaining Big 12 teams is wishful deaming
If as many as three teams remain in the Big12 they will cherry pick the best of the MWC and the AAC.

You'd have to check the Big XII bylaws. If the majority of the BIG XII were to decide to leave, why would they let the poor left-behinds keep the residuals and exit fees rather than dissolve the conference?

It requires 75% which is 8 teams to dissolve the conference. So three teams is enough to keep it going,
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RE: Looks like the AAC will simply add leftovers once BIG XII dissolves?
Texas TEch and Baylor to the Sunbelt

OU, Texas, OKST to the pac with BYU

WVA, ISU, KSU, TCU to the AAC


AAC East
WVA
Iowa St
UC
UCONN
ECU
Temple
USF
UCF
Army

AAC West
UH
SMU
TCU
UH
Kstate
Tulane
Tulsa
Memphis
Navy
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RE: Looks like the AAC will simply add leftovers once BIG XII dissolves?
(05-03-2017 05:00 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 04:46 PM)B easy Wrote:  Trying to read the tea leaves here and decipher the truth out of all the speculation but it appears that the BIG XII will eventually completely dissolve. This would be different than the Big East leftovers situation because the BIG XII conference would simply cease to exist. Therefore, those potential 2-4 schools on the outside looking in wouldn't have the same bargaining power that UCONN, UC, & USF had when they started cherry picking mostly C-USA programs to join them.

I think that adding BIG XII leftovers is an important step in making the AAC a power conference and this will further enhance and bolster our narrative, earning potential and the perception of our league.

American Athletic Conference is making a power grab - Boston Globe

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/colleg...story.html

Aresco said the American already has the athletic achievements of a power conference, citing UConn’s 2014 men’s basketball title and the school’s three women’s basketball national championships since the league was formed in 2013, after the breakup of the old Big East.

He said the key now is to find a ‘‘legislative path’’ to be counted among the other big conferences when it comes to autonomy and post-season consideration, especially in football.

‘‘We’ll also need a better TV deal, we know that,’’ he said. ‘‘But the very first step is to be perceived by you, the media and the fans as a P6 conference. Perception in many cases becomes reality.’’

If be shocked, but it did happen that way for the SWC and WAC 16....I can hope

Don't know about the WAC---but the SWC had no exit fee and UH held most of the NCAA credits for the conference (which would revert to UH if the conference dissolved). There wasn't much of a hard cash reason to rebuild. Of course, I think the name value and maintaining the existing ties to the remaining schools was the best move (in other words, I would have rebuilt the SWC around the core that was left---but that's another debate).

In this case, there would be MANY reasons to rebuild the Big12 rather than leave---

1) The Big12 exit fee for Mizzo was 12.1 million. So there will be a sizable bank of exit fees if multiple Big12 members leave.

2) NCAA credits--The Big12 has done well in basketball, so there is a nice bucket of NCAA credits that will be left in the conference treasury.

3) The Big12 maintains standing as an "autonomous conference" along with heavier weighting in NCAA D-1 and FBS voting. Strangely, there is no established NCAA mechanism to remove an existing autonomous conference from that group nor is there any established mechanism to add conferences to the autonomous group. They haven't really discussed it.

4) Nine years remaining as a contractual "full share" member of the CFP. That's about 55 million a year

5) Three years left of the Sugar Bowl agreement at 30 million a year.

6) Better bowl package for the next 3 years and---due to higher average attendance--likely better bowls and bowl opponents than any G5.

7) Better conference name recognition and the ability to construct a best of the rest conference that would start with a core of all P5 members.

They have a ton of financial reasons to rebuild where the SWC didn't.
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(05-03-2017 07:19 PM)Enriquillo Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 06:55 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  The AAC poaching any remaining Big 12 teams is wishful deaming
If as many as three teams remain in the Big12 they will cherry pick the best of the MWC and the AAC.

You'd have to check the Big XII bylaws. If the majority of the BIG XII were to decide to leave, why would they let the poor left-behinds keep the residuals and exit fees rather than dissolve the conference?


Because those who want to leave can't because of that pesky GOR. The left behinds would probably agree to let them walk for a promise they stay in the power club...and for a certain sum of money.
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So, TCU, K-State, and Iowa State would poach the best of the MWC and the AAC? Baylor would probably be left there too. Why would a team from the MWC or AAC join that group? Those teams could keep the league name, but what position would they be in to poach selected teams from other conferences?

I'm confident their TV contracts would be null and void with a mass exodus It would seem that the MWC and AAC would look more likely to be stable conferences than that group of teams keeping the B12 going.

The B12 is broken. Their inability to keep Colorado, Missouri, and Nebraska showed the problems. Their announced expansion plans that resulted in not doing anything showed the depth of the problems with that conference.

The weird result of the B12's pending implosion would be if nobody wanted Texas, and that's a real possibility. Then Texas might be one of the remnant teams wanting to keep the league alive.
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(05-03-2017 07:42 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Texas TEch and Baylor to the Sunbelt

OU, Texas, OKST to the pac with BYU

WVA, ISU, KSU, TCU to the AAC


AAC East
WVA
Iowa St
UC
UCONN
ECU
Temple
USF
UCF
Army

AAC West
UH
SMU
TCU
UH
Kstate
Tulane
Tulsa
Memphis
Navy

Houston in the west twice? I would probably keep it at 16 and leave Army out. Maybe add them as an alliance and leave it as that. Otherwise that conference is solid. If the Big 12 imploded I honestly don't know who would find a home and who wouldn't. In any scenario where it is only 3-4 left I would think the league adds them all regardless of what teams or a merger depending how the dollars work out. Most would add cohesion to the footprint of the new league.
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I would prefer usf join a new league created by b12 leftovers than invite leftovers to this already bloated league.

I don't think Texas leaves without tech, so Texas, tech, osu, OK to pac 12, Kansas goes to acc (they will not be left behind, too big), WVU possibly to acc (academics issues)

Iowa state
Baylor
Kansas state
Tcu
Houston
Byu
Smu
Usf
Ucf
Uconn (possibly they go to acc with Kansas, if so WVU in this spot)
Memphis/temple
Cincinnati

This is a far better 12 team league than making a 16 team monstrosity. Could prob keep the b12 name with the 4 teams.

Other schools like sdsu, unlv, Boise, Colorado St would be potentially in play too. Ideally the league wouldn't stretch from uconn to usf to SD to Boise though.
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(05-03-2017 10:13 PM)Aargh Wrote:  So, TCU, K-State, and Iowa State would poach the best of the MWC and the AAC? Baylor would probably be left there too. Why would a team from the MWC or AAC join that group? Those teams could keep the league name, but what position would they be in to poach selected teams from other conferences?

I'm confident their TV contracts would be null and void with a mass exodus It would seem that the MWC and AAC would look more likely to be stable conferences than that group of teams keeping the B12 going.

The B12 is broken. Their inability to keep Colorado, Missouri, and Nebraska showed the problems. Their announced expansion plans that resulted in not doing anything showed the depth of the problems with that conference.

The weird result of the B12's pending implosion would be if nobody wanted Texas, and that's a real possibility. Then Texas might be one of the remnant teams wanting to keep the league alive.

See post #12 for a list of reasons why the Big12 would poach the MW and AAC. If nothing else, it's a chance to do a best of the rest that makes sense.
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I just don't understand some of the people that are constantly talking about how great the big XII is and can't wait for their university to jump to the BIG XII and then insist that there will be enough teams left over for that conference to survive.

Remember that as soon as the ACC went to 14 teams every other conference either did the same or tried to do the same, the PAC tried to go to 16. If they had succeed the Big XII would have died right there.

If any of the P5 (hate using that term, but some people don't understand anything else) expand to 16 all the others will do the same that's 10 teams that according to some here are superior to BYU and any other team... Zero leftover to rebuild or for AAC to poach!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Looks like the AAC will simply add leftovers once BIG XII dissolves?
at this point I'm all in on the AAC.

Rather than see the B12 lose some schools and UC join the B12 I'd rather see the B12 implode (their own dang fault) and see the AAC poach some left overs.


If we could pick up four of the following:

First Choice Group:
Iowa St
WVA
TCU
KState
BYU

Second Choice Group:
Boise
Col St
AF
Army

I imagine we could get ~$8-10mil and better bowls (really need a guarantee NY6 slot for out winner)....I'd be happy with that.
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RE: Looks like the AAC will simply add leftovers once BIG XII dissolves?
It would be a dream come true if Tech and UTEP had to go to the MWC together.
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