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FWIW - The "Power 6" narative
I listen to a local sports talk show during both my morning and evening commutes. Both shows rarely talk about anything other than the SEC or Alabama state high school sports. However, this morning I was shocked to hear them mention the AAC and the Power 6 tag. It was just a quick mention with no real commentary to go along with this but I found it interesting nonetheless. Aresco is at least getting the word out there. Like I said - FWIW.
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Thank you for sharing.
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FWIW - The "Power 6" narative
Vast difference in money between 5 and 6. Product difference is not as great.
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(05-02-2017 09:17 AM)mairving Wrote:  Vast difference in money between 5 and 6. Product difference is not as great.

Huge money difference is true for now, doesn't have to stay that way. AAC only started in 2013. Took less money on the original TV deal to keep the ESPN exposure.

Current TV deal expires after '19-'20 season. Obviously we won't get to Big 10/SEC money, but not a crazy expectation to get to at least to $10M per year.
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(05-02-2017 09:17 AM)mairving Wrote:  Vast difference in money between 5 and 6. Product difference is not as great.

There's no argument there but I think this shows that Aresco's efforts do seem to be getting at least some traction. The mere fact that we got a mention was shocking to me. The local shows discuss in this order
- Alabama Football
- Who Bama is playing next / last
- Auburn
- Who Burn is playing next / last
- Other SEC
- State HS football
- Takes time to run down other conferences
- UNA & Jack St get some mentions
- NFL
- MLB
- Other major pro - NBA & NHL
- Rare mentions of anything not in the above groups
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(05-02-2017 09:55 AM)eltigre Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 09:17 AM)mairving Wrote:  Vast difference in money between 5 and 6. Product difference is not as great.

There's no argument there but I think this shows that Aresco's efforts do seem to be getting at least some traction. The mere fact that we got a mention was shocking to me. The local shows discuss in this order
- Alabama Football
- Who Bama is playing next / last
- Auburn
- Who Burn is playing next / last
- Other SEC
- State HS football
- Takes time to run down other conferences
- UNA & Jack St get some mentions
- NFL
- MLB
- Other major pro - NBA & NHL
- Rare mentions of anything not in the above groups

It could be worse. You could live in Oklahoma and be subjected to the local sports guys who throw in a heavy dose of Wrasslin', NASCAR, & MMA...
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(05-02-2017 09:59 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 09:55 AM)eltigre Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 09:17 AM)mairving Wrote:  Vast difference in money between 5 and 6. Product difference is not as great.

There's no argument there but I think this shows that Aresco's efforts do seem to be getting at least some traction. The mere fact that we got a mention was shocking to me. The local shows discuss in this order
- Alabama Football
- Who Bama is playing next / last
- Auburn
- Who Burn is playing next / last
- Other SEC
- State HS football
- Takes time to run down other conferences
- UNA & Jack St get some mentions
- NFL
- MLB
- Other major pro - NBA & NHL
- Rare mentions of anything not in the above groups

It could be worse. You could live in Oklahoma and be subjected to the local sports guys who throw in a heavy dose of Wrasslin', NASCAR, & MMA...

I left off NASCAR. It would place just under "takes time to run down other conferences". This is the home state of Talladega after all.
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(05-02-2017 09:42 AM)Tigx Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 09:17 AM)mairving Wrote:  Vast difference in money between 5 and 6. Product difference is not as great.

Huge money difference is true for now, doesn't have to stay that way. AAC only started in 2013. Took less money on the original TV deal to keep the ESPN exposure.

Current TV deal expires after '19-'20 season. Obviously we won't get to Big 10/SEC money, but not a crazy expectation to get to at least to $10M per year.

I am not so sure. Some of ESPN's financial woes are because of overpaying TV contracts. The AAC is also in a bit of a flux. Temple and Houston have new coaches so it's really hard to tell if they will continue on the level that they have been. Navy could possibly take a downturn since they no longer allow athletes to go pro and skip military service. We should still have some good teams, USF, Tulsa maybe SMU this year. Not real sure about Cincy, UCF and ECU though.
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I'm not so sure American Football has as much of a hold on America anymore, either--as far as ESPN losing money....then there's the fact that the kids are not sitting around watching FB as much. Partially because I don't think they have the attention span for that.

Edit: As for Aresco, what choice does he have but to make it equal to the rest.
His whole conference might implode at any minute. Nobody wants to stay.
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(05-02-2017 12:18 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I'm not so sure American Football has as much of a hold on America anymore, either--as far as ESPN losing money....then there's the fact that the kids are not sitting around watching FB as much. Partially because I don't think they have the attention span for that.

Edit: As for Aresco, what choice does he have but to make it equal to the rest.
His whole conference might implode at any minute. Nobody wants to stay.

AAC not going to implode anytime soon. Have some schools that would leave, but no place to go. ACC not expanding now with their conference TV deal with ESPN. Big 10 and SEC and PAC 12 don' want any AAC schools.

Except for B12, P5 conferences locked in to TV contracts for a long time. We could have an expansion window in the mid 20's, when the B12 contract ends. But even that is not guaranteed.

I think we will be in the American for a long time.
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(05-02-2017 12:56 PM)Tigx Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 12:18 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I'm not so sure American Football has as much of a hold on America anymore, either--as far as ESPN losing money....then there's the fact that the kids are not sitting around watching FB as much. Partially because I don't think they have the attention span for that.

Edit: As for Aresco, what choice does he have but to make it equal to the rest.
His whole conference might implode at any minute. Nobody wants to stay.

AAC not going to implode anytime soon. Have some schools that would leave, but no place to go. ACC not expanding now with their conference TV deal with ESPN. Big 10 and SEC and PAC 12 don' want any AAC schools.

Except for B12, P5 conferences locked in to TV contracts for a long time. We could have an expansion window in the mid 20's, when the B12 contract ends. But even that is not guaranteed.

I think we will be in the American for a long time.

I shouldn't have used the words 'any minute' ...I was talking more like over the next two years...but Aresco would need to start now to build the brand for the next implosion/shakeup. I'm not arguing, btw...just putting any thought out there.

From our own experiences, the only thing we know for sure is the situation is fluid.

There are just tooo many behind the scenes deals involving factions with big money that have their own interests at heart. But what if a few of those factions team up to produce another larger one with more power?

I dunno. People think bigger than we do. Some are used to thinking crazy big thoughts instead of just crazy small ones....lol
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I got you, Snow, wasn't arguing either.

Just think our conference affiliation is really as good as it has ever been. Except for a few years in the MVC, football had no conference until the mid-90s. Not a coincidence we may be looking at our longest era of sustained football success at the same time as the American has success.

American is accepted as 6th best conference, which is not bad considering our uneven football history.

Re ESPN, I think their strategy is to continue to bid for pro and college football and the NBA. Other sports not so much. We'll see.
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(05-02-2017 01:44 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I got you, Snow, wasn't arguing either.

Just think our conference affiliation is really as good as it has ever been. Except for a few years in the MVC, football had no conference until the mid-90s. Not a coincidence we may be looking at our longest era of sustained football success at the same time as the American has success.

American is accepted as 6th best conference, which is not bad considering our uneven football history.

Re ESPN, I think their strategy is to continue to bid for pro and college football and the NBA. Other sports not so much. We'll see.

I think you are correct about their strategy...It won't work forever, though. lol As if anything does.
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(05-02-2017 01:49 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 01:44 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I got you, Snow, wasn't arguing either.

Just think our conference affiliation is really as good as it has ever been. Except for a few years in the MVC, football had no conference until the mid-90s. Not a coincidence we may be looking at our longest era of sustained football success at the same time as the American has success.

American is accepted as 6th best conference, which is not bad considering our uneven football history.

Re ESPN, I think their strategy is to continue to bid for pro and college football and the NBA. Other sports not so much. We'll see.

I think you are correct about their strategy...It won't work forever, though. lol As if anything does.

ESPN has paid too much for their contracts, no doubt. So they are cutting costs.

But ESPN also changing focus. Many of the layoffs last week were writers, because people don't read near as much online as they used to. Baseball Tonight used to be 7 days a week, very highly rated. Now, it's basically cancelled, ESPN says it will be the Sunday preview show to the game of the week, not a highlight show, during the season - we'll see.

Tiger fans should hope ESPN stabilizes, which I think they will. Their ad revenue is still strong, it's the subscriber revenue that is declining as people cut the cable cord. We need as many bidders as possible when our contract is up for bid in a few years.
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(05-02-2017 02:07 PM)Tigx Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 01:49 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 01:44 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I got you, Snow, wasn't arguing either.

Just think our conference affiliation is really as good as it has ever been. Except for a few years in the MVC, football had no conference until the mid-90s. Not a coincidence we may be looking at our longest era of sustained football success at the same time as the American has success.

American is accepted as 6th best conference, which is not bad considering our uneven football history.

Re ESPN, I think their strategy is to continue to bid for pro and college football and the NBA. Other sports not so much. We'll see.

I think you are correct about their strategy...It won't work forever, though. lol As if anything does.

ESPN has paid too much for their contracts, no doubt. So they are cutting costs.

But ESPN also changing focus. Many of the layoffs last week were writers, because people don't read near as much online as they used to. Baseball Tonight used to be 7 days a week, very highly rated. Now, it's basically cancelled, ESPN says it will be the Sunday preview show to the game of the week, not a highlight show, during the season - we'll see.

Tiger fans should hope ESPN stabilizes, which I think they will. Their ad revenue is still strong, it's the subscriber revenue that is declining as people cut the cable cord. We need as many bidders as possible when our contract is up for bid in a few years.

Yea..they don't need writers, and most of ESPN's decisions appear to be logic based. But the ones who make decisions like that are generally very pragmatic, lacking the vision to prepare for shock phenomenon .


edit: lol why didn't somebody tell me ******* got thru.
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(05-02-2017 09:42 AM)Tigx Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 09:17 AM)mairving Wrote:  Vast difference in money between 5 and 6. Product difference is not as great.

Huge money difference is true for now, doesn't have to stay that way. AAC only started in 2013. Took less money on the original TV deal to keep the ESPN exposure.

Current TV deal expires after '19-'20 season. Obviously we won't get to Big 10/SEC money, but not a crazy expectation to get to at least to $10M per year.


ESPN has been over paying for contracts for years. They recently went through a major reduction in employees. Many conference will be lucky to get what they currently have.

Not only at ESPN many sports franchises are seeing cut backs in financial deals.

IE: When Nextel came on as Title sponsor for NASCAR they were paying $75 million a deal. When original deal expired and they switched to their Sprint brand the deal was for $50 million a year. Today the Monster energy title sponsorship deal is only $20 million per year.
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