(05-04-2017 12:42 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 12:20 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:50 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 06:54 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  I'm talking about the AAC overall you dumba$$. We've got the biggest AAC fan base and it is dwarfed by P5 big fanbase programs. FFS, middling NCSU draws more than we do. They have a much deeper booster program too. Pull your head out of your a$$.

Ever wonder why they have those tv contracts? it's because they have A CRAPLOAD more fans overall. They have more boosters, pricier tickets, etc, etc....

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Ha ha, wow all that passion and your still off base. Lots of P5 programs have smaller fan bases than ECU or Southern Miss. this is about a few P5 programs pulling weight for other P5 programs.
But please do continue with your mad man rants. I love internet tough guys.

Would you kindly educate us all and post the list of "lots of P5 programs" that have smaller fanbases than ECU?

Minnesota
Indiana
Virginia
Maryland
Oregon State
Northwestern
Purdue
Syracuse
Boston College
Washington State
Vanderbilt
Duke
Wake Forest
Kansas

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...ight-year/

As someone else pointed out, football attendance is not the end all be all of support. ECU has impressive FB attendance but to say they have a bigger fanbase than UVA is just not being real.

where it matter$ we aren't anywhere close to these schools in $upport. .

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(05-04-2017 12:55 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 12:20 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:50 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Would you kindly educate us all and post the list of "lots of P5 programs" that have smaller fanbases than ECU?

Minnesota
Indiana
Virginia
Maryland
Oregon State
Northwestern
Purdue
Syracuse
Boston College
Washington State
Vanderbilt
Duke
Wake Forest
Kansas

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...ight-year/

Virginia had over $12mil in ticket sales in 2015 and $27mil in contributions.

ECU had $7mil in ticket sales and $14mil in contributions.

Hard to argue they have a bigger base when they collect just a little over half of what UVA does in tickets and donations. I am guessing that Cuse, Indiana, Kansas and Minnesota would compare favorably as well.

Not to mention they averaged over 14k in basketball last year compared to ECU's 4K. That's 10K more people attending a game 15 times a year as opposed to 5K more people attending an ECU football game 5-6 times a year.

And if the Cavs ever stop sucking their football attendance will probably get better.

(05-04-2017 12:20 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:50 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 06:54 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  You are an ECU fan and you don't think we have a large fan base? Apart from maybe the top 30 P5 schools many have smaller fan bases than ours. Money is the big separation index and thats because of P5 tv contracts nothing more.

I'm talking about the AAC overall you dumba$$. We've got the biggest AAC fan base and it is dwarfed by P5 big fanbase programs. FFS, middling NCSU draws more than we do. They have a much deeper booster program too. Pull your head out of your a$$.

Ever wonder why they have those tv contracts? it's because they have A CRAPLOAD more fans overall. They have more boosters, pricier tickets, etc, etc....

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Ha ha, wow all that passion and your still off base. Lots of P5 programs have smaller fan bases than ECU or Southern Miss. this is about a few P5 programs pulling weight for other P5 programs.
But please do continue with your mad man rants. I love internet tough guys.

Would you kindly educate us all and post the list of "lots of P5 programs" that have smaller fanbases than ECU?

Minnesota
Indiana
Virginia
Maryland
Oregon State
Northwestern
Purdue
Syracuse
Boston College
Washington State
Vanderbilt
Duke
Wake Forest
Kansas

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...ight-year/

If Judy Mac held a press conference to tell us CUSA needs to enhance its academic standing, increase attendance, and sign better media deals, my reaction would be, "No s---. Now quit wasting our time stating the obvious in front of bunch of reporters and get on all that."

It's one thing to have a goal. It's an entirely different thing to have a plan. Aresco's pitch was heavy as heck on goals but pretty darned thin on plans. You can brush that off and say "It's good marketing regardless" or "It still helps with perception," but the people who most need to be convinced of the AAC's comparative worth are the media companies holding the checkbook. And nobody knows more about marketing nonsense than TV executives. It's going to be awfully hard to con the con men when the rubber hits the road.

(05-04-2017 08:38 AM)monarx Wrote:  https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college...ng-partner

An article supporting the idea that Oklahoma and Texas will leave the B12 and at that point the B12 may add a few AAC members (SMU?) but it will still not be a "power conference" then. Basically says that by 2024 we're looking at a P4 and G6. I'm starting to think that at that point we may see the P4 split away into their own legit division. That would suck, but with the B12 becoming part of the G6 there would still be enough history, sizable fan bases and name recognition spread throughout the division to make it pretty interesting and still have some general interest, unlike FCS.

Won't happen. You're wrong. There's no way the STATE OF TEXAS is going to allow their own state to go from having 5 P5 schools to only 2 (TX and TX A&M). The state simply won't allow this to happen for financial reasons. Besides, there's something seriously wrong with a system that will allow a state with 28 MILLION people to only have two (2) P5 schools, while allowing a state as small as North Carolina to have twice as many. AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Mark my words. The whole notion is absurd.

(05-04-2017 08:56 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 08:38 AM)monarx Wrote:  https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college...ng-partner

An article supporting the idea that Oklahoma and Texas will leave the B12 and at that point the B12 may add a few AAC members (SMU?) but it will still not be a "power conference" then. Basically says that by 2024 we're looking at a P4 and G6. I'm starting to think that at that point we may see the P4 split away into their own legit division. That would suck, but with the B12 becoming part of the G6 there would still be enough history, sizable fan bases and name recognition spread throughout the division to make it pretty interesting and still have some general interest, unlike FCS.

Won't happen. You're wrong. There's no way the STATE OF TEXAS is going to allow their own state to go from having 5 P5 schools to only 2 (TX and TX A&M). The state simply won't allow this to happen for financial reasons. Besides, there's something seriously wrong with a system that will allow a state with 28 MILLION people to only have two (2) P5 schools, while allowing a state as small as North Carolina to have twice as many. AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Mark my words. The whole notion is absurd.

If Texas decides they want to join the B1G, Pac 12, or SEC, what can the state of Texas do about it?

Baylor and TCU are privates and it's not as if the state of Texas could force any of those other conferences to invite Baylor/TCU/TTU. The state legislature could probably do a lot of things to attempt to strong arm Texas into not leaving, but if the school/athletic department made their intentions to leave known, trying to stop them could be viewed as political suicide for the politicians involved.

I don't disagree with your general principle, just not sure there's much that could be done short of trying to persuade the Horns that the Pac 12 is the answer and that taking, at minimum, one of TCU/Baylor/TTU with them.

Baylor is so radioactive, no other conference would take them and I don't know that the Pac 12/B1G would take Texas Tech on account of academics.

Would the Pac 12 take Texas/TCU/OU/OSU(academics in Stillwater maybe iffy)?

(05-04-2017 10:33 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 08:56 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 08:38 AM)monarx Wrote:  https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college...ng-partner

An article supporting the idea that Oklahoma and Texas will leave the B12 and at that point the B12 may add a few AAC members (SMU?) but it will still not be a "power conference" then. Basically says that by 2024 we're looking at a P4 and G6. I'm starting to think that at that point we may see the P4 split away into their own legit division. That would suck, but with the B12 becoming part of the G6 there would still be enough history, sizable fan bases and name recognition spread throughout the division to make it pretty interesting and still have some general interest, unlike FCS.

Won't happen. You're wrong. There's no way the STATE OF TEXAS is going to allow their own state to go from having 5 P5 schools to only 2 (TX and TX A&M). The state simply won't allow this to happen for financial reasons. Besides, there's something seriously wrong with a system that will allow a state with 28 MILLION people to only have two (2) P5 schools, while allowing a state as small as North Carolina to have twice as many. AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Mark my words. The whole notion is absurd.

If Texas decides they want to join the B1G, Pac 12, or SEC, what can the state of Texas do about it?

Baylor and TCU are privates and it's not as if the state of Texas could force any of those other conferences to invite Baylor/TCU/TTU. The state legislature could probably do a lot of things to attempt to strong arm Texas into not leaving, but if the school/athletic department made their intentions to leave known, trying to stop them could be viewed as political suicide for the politicians involved.

I don't disagree with your general principle, just not sure there's much that could be done short of trying to persuade the Horns that the Pac 12 is the answer and that taking, at minimum, one of TCU/Baylor/TTU with them.

Baylor is so radioactive, no other conference would take them and I don't know that the Pac 12/B1G would take Texas Tech on account of academics.

Would the Pac 12 take Texas/TCU/OU/OSU(academics in Stillwater maybe iffy)?

a couple points, the pac 12 already invited texas tech and osu before, literally 5 years ago

politician have power over the state not the other way around..everything you are saying has already happened...
UT made it public it wanted the pac 12 by itself in the break of the swc, and a&m the sec.. politician told them that wasn't happening ...and it didnt ..no ones career was suicided....most say the only reason a&m was finally able to move was because the people in power supported the move, more specifically governor rick perry a a&m alum, who actually lobbyied for the move
there is tons of historical evidence of the state dictating what Texas does...

(05-04-2017 08:56 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 08:38 AM)monarx Wrote:  https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college...ng-partner

An article supporting the idea that Oklahoma and Texas will leave the B12 and at that point the B12 may add a few AAC members (SMU?) but it will still not be a "power conference" then. Basically says that by 2024 we're looking at a P4 and G6. I'm starting to think that at that point we may see the P4 split away into their own legit division. That would suck, but with the B12 becoming part of the G6 there would still be enough history, sizable fan bases and name recognition spread throughout the division to make it pretty interesting and still have some general interest, unlike FCS.

Won't happen. You're wrong. There's no way the STATE OF TEXAS is going to allow their own state to go from having 5 P5 schools to only 2 (TX and TX A&M). The state simply won't allow this to happen for financial reasons. Besides, there's something seriously wrong with a system that will allow a state with 28 MILLION people to only have two (2) P5 schools, while allowing a state as small as North Carolina to have twice as many. AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Mark my words. The whole notion is absurd.

interesting take.

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(05-04-2017 10:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:33 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 08:56 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 08:38 AM)monarx Wrote:  https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college...ng-partner

An article supporting the idea that Oklahoma and Texas will leave the B12 and at that point the B12 may add a few AAC members (SMU?) but it will still not be a "power conference" then. Basically says that by 2024 we're looking at a P4 and G6. I'm starting to think that at that point we may see the P4 split away into their own legit division. That would suck, but with the B12 becoming part of the G6 there would still be enough history, sizable fan bases and name recognition spread throughout the division to make it pretty interesting and still have some general interest, unlike FCS.

Won't happen. You're wrong. There's no way the STATE OF TEXAS is going to allow their own state to go from having 5 P5 schools to only 2 (TX and TX A&M). The state simply won't allow this to happen for financial reasons. Besides, there's something seriously wrong with a system that will allow a state with 28 MILLION people to only have two (2) P5 schools, while allowing a state as small as North Carolina to have twice as many. AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Mark my words. The whole notion is absurd.

If Texas decides they want to join the B1G, Pac 12, or SEC, what can the state of Texas do about it?

Baylor and TCU are privates and it's not as if the state of Texas could force any of those other conferences to invite Baylor/TCU/TTU. The state legislature could probably do a lot of things to attempt to strong arm Texas into not leaving, but if the school/athletic department made their intentions to leave known, trying to stop them could be viewed as political suicide for the politicians involved.

I don't disagree with your general principle, just not sure there's much that could be done short of trying to persuade the Horns that the Pac 12 is the answer and that taking, at minimum, one of TCU/Baylor/TTU with them.

Baylor is so radioactive, no other conference would take them and I don't know that the Pac 12/B1G would take Texas Tech on account of academics.

Would the Pac 12 take Texas/TCU/OU/OSU(academics in Stillwater maybe iffy)?

a couple points, the pac 12 already invited texas tech and osu before, literally 5 years ago

politician have power over the state not the other way around..everything you are saying has already happened...
UT made it public it wanted the pac 12 by itself in the break of the swc, and a&m the sec.. politician told them that wasn't happening ...and it didnt ..no ones career was suicided....most say the only reason a&m was finally able to move was because the people in power supported the move, more specifically governor rick perry a a&m alum, who actually lobbyied for the move
there is tons of historical evidence of the state dictating what Texas does...

If the Aggies were able to get out, there's no way Texas wouldn't be able to.

And IIRC, the last time there was talk of a PAC 16, TCU wasn't around(in the Big XII), would they prefer TCU rather than holding their nose over Texas Tech?

And Texas may push back more now than they have in the past with the dire state of the Big XII.

(05-04-2017 01:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 12:20 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:50 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 06:54 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  I'm talking about the AAC overall you dumba$$. We've got the biggest AAC fan base and it is dwarfed by P5 big fanbase programs. FFS, middling NCSU draws more than we do. They have a much deeper booster program too. Pull your head out of your a$$.

Ever wonder why they have those tv contracts? it's because they have A CRAPLOAD more fans overall. They have more boosters, pricier tickets, etc, etc....

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Ha ha, wow all that passion and your still off base. Lots of P5 programs have smaller fan bases than ECU or Southern Miss. this is about a few P5 programs pulling weight for other P5 programs.
But please do continue with your mad man rants. I love internet tough guys.

Would you kindly educate us all and post the list of "lots of P5 programs" that have smaller fanbases than ECU?

Minnesota
Indiana
Virginia
Maryland
Oregon State
Northwestern
Purdue
Syracuse
Boston College
Washington State
Vanderbilt
Duke
Wake Forest
Kansas

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...ight-year/

Nevertheless, very impressive ECU averages 44k in football attendance with the team they have.

(05-04-2017 10:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:39 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:26 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:10 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 09:23 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Dear Santa,
What I really, really want for Christmas this year is for the AAC to be a real and not a pretend Power conference. I promise to be good and get on my knees to all the P5 schools and beg for membership even though they could care less about what I want. I promise to sew "P6" on all of our conference player's jock straps to show our devotion and genital worship of the P5 conferences. I promise to be obedient to all the P5 schools. I promise to even have our schools lose to all the P5 schools when we play them so they will know we are willing to sell out our pride to be a part of the "cool crowd".

So Santa, please bring the AAC power conference membership and I will have a hooker waiting for you when you come out of the chimney.

Thanks Santa,
Pretend P6 Member

yet here you are sitting around talking about the AAC during the dead period...THAT is the point.

And...Why are you over here?

because you're talking about my conference and there is nothing that says I can't post here.

if you talk about the AAC don't act all offended when AAC fans show up.

not yet....

you're easily the worst of the worst that represents MEM....there are soooooo many other classy MEM posters that have to cringe when your fingers hit keypad....

how they let you back in is beyond me....

I don't want you or your ilk (alt-right spin room trolls) to like me...

moreover, everything I said was accurate.

good day.

(05-02-2017 11:26 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 09:26 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  AAC is lucky to have Aresco. Aresco has good marketing sense. This is all about perception. He is on right track to change legislative process to allow AAC to become an official P6. It might just happen.

And I'm sure you were probably one of those that think VA Tech stole your spot in the BE in 1991.

If the MWC couldn't pull off getting an invite to the big boy table from 2005-2012 then the AACk has no chance at all, most everyone else is just laughing at the AAC members and those gullible enough to believe Aresco's BS.

Texas and Oklahoma are just biding their time and will most likely bolt to the PAC 12 when the B12 GOR is up in 2022, in all honesty it should have happened in 2014 and just get the inevitable out of the way. At that time I can see the B10 taking Kansas and maybe Oklahoma advocating for OK State to the PAC12.

That would leave Kansas State, Baylor, Iowa State, TCU, Texas Tech and WVU, even adding Cincy and Memphis or UConn couldn't save that as a Power Conference.

This will happen a lot sooner than the AACk ever sharing a table with the SEC.

I am not a fan of the $EC, can't stand em, but hate to tell ya dude, nobody shares the table with the $EC, nobody.

Aresco is amazing and has done a remarkable job getting the AAC as counted with the big boys.

(05-06-2017 05:28 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Aresco is amazing and has done a remarkable job getting the AAC as counted with the big boys.

You should turn in your crown. You've lost the art of trolling.

(05-06-2017 05:34 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 05:28 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Aresco is amazing and has done a remarkable job getting the AAC as counted with the big boys.

You should turn in your crown. You've lost the art of trolling.

It's the off season...my A game is reserved for the regular season.

(05-04-2017 12:55 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 12:20 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:50 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Would you kindly educate us all and post the list of "lots of P5 programs" that have smaller fanbases than ECU?

Minnesota
Indiana
Virginia
Maryland
Oregon State
Northwestern
Purdue
Syracuse
Boston College
Washington State
Vanderbilt
Duke
Wake Forest
Kansas

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...ight-year/

Virginia had over $12mil in ticket sales in 2015 and $27mil in contributions.

ECU had $7mil in ticket sales and $14mil in contributions.

Hard to argue they have a bigger base when they collect just a little over half of what UVA does in tickets and donations. I am guessing that Cuse, Indiana, Kansas and Minnesota would compare favorably as well.

Link please.

(05-07-2017 03:13 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 12:55 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 12:20 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:50 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Would you kindly educate us all and post the list of "lots of P5 programs" that have smaller fanbases than ECU?

Minnesota
Indiana
Virginia
Maryland
Oregon State
Northwestern
Purdue
Syracuse
Boston College
Washington State
Vanderbilt
Duke
Wake Forest
Kansas

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...ight-year/

Virginia had over $12mil in ticket sales in 2015 and $27mil in contributions.

ECU had $7mil in ticket sales and $14mil in contributions.

Hard to argue they have a bigger base when they collect just a little over half of what UVA does in tickets and donations. I am guessing that Cuse, Indiana, Kansas and Minnesota would compare favorably as well.

Link please.

Likely this is the link.

USAToday athletic financials

(05-06-2017 05:28 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Aresco is amazing and has done a remarkable job getting the AAC as counted with the big boys.

Alternative facts?

(05-04-2017 10:56 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:33 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 08:56 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 08:38 AM)monarx Wrote:  https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college...ng-partner

An article supporting the idea that Oklahoma and Texas will leave the B12 and at that point the B12 may add a few AAC members (SMU?) but it will still not be a "power conference" then. Basically says that by 2024 we're looking at a P4 and G6. I'm starting to think that at that point we may see the P4 split away into their own legit division. That would suck, but with the B12 becoming part of the G6 there would still be enough history, sizable fan bases and name recognition spread throughout the division to make it pretty interesting and still have some general interest, unlike FCS.

Won't happen. You're wrong. There's no way the STATE OF TEXAS is going to allow their own state to go from having 5 P5 schools to only 2 (TX and TX A&M). The state simply won't allow this to happen for financial reasons. Besides, there's something seriously wrong with a system that will allow a state with 28 MILLION people to only have two (2) P5 schools, while allowing a state as small as North Carolina to have twice as many. AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Mark my words. The whole notion is absurd.

If Texas decides they want to join the B1G, Pac 12, or SEC, what can the state of Texas do about it?

Baylor and TCU are privates and it's not as if the state of Texas could force any of those other conferences to invite Baylor/TCU/TTU. The state legislature could probably do a lot of things to attempt to strong arm Texas into not leaving, but if the school/athletic department made their intentions to leave known, trying to stop them could be viewed as political suicide for the politicians involved.

I don't disagree with your general principle, just not sure there's much that could be done short of trying to persuade the Horns that the Pac 12 is the answer and that taking, at minimum, one of TCU/Baylor/TTU with them.

Baylor is so radioactive, no other conference would take them and I don't know that the Pac 12/B1G would take Texas Tech on account of academics.

Would the Pac 12 take Texas/TCU/OU/OSU(academics in Stillwater maybe iffy)?

a couple points, the pac 12 already invited texas tech and osu before, literally 5 years ago

politician have power over the state not the other way around..everything you are saying has already happened...
UT made it public it wanted the pac 12 by itself in the break of the swc, and a&m the sec.. politician told them that wasn't happening ...and it didnt ..no ones career was suicided....most say the only reason a&m was finally able to move was because the people in power supported the move, more specifically governor rick perry a a&m alum, who actually lobbyied for the move
there is tons of historical evidence of the state dictating what Texas does...

If the Aggies were able to get out, there's no way Texas wouldn't be able to.

And IIRC, the last time there was talk of a PAC 16, TCU wasn't around(in the Big XII), would they prefer TCU rather than holding their nose over Texas Tech?

And Texas may push back more now than they have in the past with the dire state of the Big XII.

I love it when people that don't know anything about Texas and Texas politics want to tell us Texans how things will work in Texas.