The Air Force Academy announced right before the NFL draft that they would not release any player drafted from their 2 year active duty obligation. It cost Air Force Wide receiver Jalen Robinette as he was projected as a mid to late round draft pick. He went undrafted. This info is for those AAC fans insisting that AF and Army would somehow make the AAC a power conference. That would be 3 teams in the conference who can never have an NFL prospect on their squad instead of one.

(05-01-2017 07:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  The Air Force Academy announced right before the NFL draft that they would not release any player drafted from their 2 year active duty obligation. It cost Air Force Wide receiver Jalen Robinette as he was projected as a mid to late round draft pick. He went undrafted. This info is for those AAC fans insisting that AF and Army would somehow make the AAC a power conference. That would be 3 teams in the conference who can never have an NFL prospect on their squad instead of one.

Navy only did it once for Reynolds and got back lash. So it probably wont happen again.

The active duty obligation is five years - the policy for two years is still a request to translate 60% of that into proportionally more time in the Reserves.

Joe Cardona, long snapper was drafted by the Patriots in 2015 under the policy to which we are now returning. He was "stashed" at the Prep School in Newport RI as an Ensign and commuted to practice and games. A stash like that is not unusual at all as athletes and non-athletes alike frequently have a delay before flight school, nuke school, etc. Cardona had already moved on from that stash job to his first ship when the policy was changed.

Keenan Reynolds was still under the old policy when he was drafted by the Ravens in 2016 - although there were indications around that he might be able to capitalize. The policy was announced by SECDEF at graduation for him and Chris Swain (undrafted free agent). Otherwise he'd have done the same thing as Cardona - stashed at USNA, commute to Ravens facilities and then move on to life at Ft Meade.

Change to allow all five years to be changed to Reserve commitment was obviously good for Reynolds, Swain, Cardona, and MLS player Greenspan.
But they were draftable under the policy to which we"ve now returned. Ravens, Patriots, Chargers, et al were willing to take the risk off getting them for one year, keeping them on the miitary reserve list for two years and then seeing where they were.

Heck, Army West Point's Andrew King signed as undrafted free agent with 49ers AFTER the policy change was public news.

Reports that Navy's Brendon Clements will participate in Packers' rookie mini camp.
Interesting case - that would have to be done on leave from wherever he is as an Ensign/Second Lieutenant.
Also interesting: he was a defensive secondary standout as a junior; suspended indefinitely from the team for violating team rules; then reinstated; then another team rules violation (reportedly late for team meeting) and Coach Niumat gave him his walking papers; still a midshipman in good standing, he switched varsity sports to sprint football (formerly known as lightweights or 150#s) where he excelled as a running back.
The point is, teams will take a chance on getting a guy's rights and then putting him on military reserve list for a couple years.

I'm bumping this after I see a guy starting the exact same thing right now.

NFL drafts does not make a power conference. If so we would be a power and Big12 would not.

(05-02-2017 02:57 PM)TUCandoit Wrote:  NFL drafts does not make a power conference. If so we would be a power and Big12 would not.

it certainly helps tho

(05-02-2017 02:57 PM)TUCandoit Wrote:  NFL drafts does not make a power conference. If so we would be a power and Big12 would not.

most talented kids have dreams of the NFL when they start playing football at the college level. this puts the academies behind the 8 ball of even sun belt programs in my opinion. yes, there will be that rare exception...... but this hurts moving forward.

(05-02-2017 02:57 PM)TUCandoit Wrote:  NFL drafts does not make a power conference. If so we would be a power and Big12 would not.

Uh...no, probably not.

(05-02-2017 03:03 PM)otown Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 02:57 PM)TUCandoit Wrote:  NFL drafts does not make a power conference. If so we would be a power and Big12 would not.

most talented kids have dreams of the NFL when they start playing football at the college level. this puts the academies behind the 8 ball of even sun belt programs in my opinion. yes, there will be that rare exception...... but this hurts moving forward.

This reverts to the policy as it has stood for several years now: After two years of five year active service obligation an athlete with an opportunity to play professional sports (and therefore represent the service in a positive light for overall benefit to the service) can apply/request translating the remainder of the service obligation to reserve service.

No midshipman or cadet who has yet set foot on the field or court was recruited under the policy that let Reynolds and Swain defer all their service to reserves.

We are reverting to the policy that has allowed us to recruit football players who are 14-3 in AAC play.

(05-02-2017 03:18 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 03:03 PM)otown Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 02:57 PM)TUCandoit Wrote:  NFL drafts does not make a power conference. If so we would be a power and Big12 would not.

most talented kids have dreams of the NFL when they start playing football at the college level. this puts the academies behind the 8 ball of even sun belt programs in my opinion. yes, there will be that rare exception...... but this hurts moving forward.

This reverts to the policy as it has stood for several years now: After two years of five year active service obligation an athlete with an opportunity to play professional sports (and therefore represent the service in a positive light for overall benefit to the service) can apply/request translating the remainder of the service obligation to reserve service.

No midshipman or cadet who has yet set foot on the field or court was recruited under the policy that let Reynolds and Swain defer all their service to reserves.

We are reverting to the policy that has allowed us to recruit football players who are 14-3 in AAC play.

14*-3

(05-02-2017 03:31 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 03:18 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 03:03 PM)otown Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 02:57 PM)TUCandoit Wrote:  NFL drafts does not make a power conference. If so we would be a power and Big12 would not.

most talented kids have dreams of the NFL when they start playing football at the college level. this puts the academies behind the 8 ball of even sun belt programs in my opinion. yes, there will be that rare exception...... but this hurts moving forward.

This reverts to the policy as it has stood for several years now: After two years of five year active service obligation an athlete with an opportunity to play professional sports (and therefore represent the service in a positive light for overall benefit to the service) can apply/request translating the remainder of the service obligation to reserve service.

No midshipman or cadet who has yet set foot on the field or court was recruited under the policy that let Reynolds and Swain defer all their service to reserves.

We are reverting to the policy that has allowed us to recruit football players who are 14-3 in AAC play.

14*-3

Forward progress made the line to gain; after forward progress stopped, THEN the ball came out; didn't need a whistle to be dead at that point, just the ref's judgment. Good call.
Good no-call (DPI) on interception in the end zone earlier, too.

(05-02-2017 02:57 PM)TUCandoit Wrote:  NFL drafts does not make a power conference. If so we would be a power and Big12 would not.

And why would that be so?

(05-02-2017 03:31 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 03:18 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 03:03 PM)otown Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 02:57 PM)TUCandoit Wrote:  NFL drafts does not make a power conference. If so we would be a power and Big12 would not.

most talented kids have dreams of the NFL when they start playing football at the college level. this puts the academies behind the 8 ball of even sun belt programs in my opinion. yes, there will be that rare exception...... but this hurts moving forward.

This reverts to the policy as it has stood for several years now: After two years of five year active service obligation an athlete with an opportunity to play professional sports (and therefore represent the service in a positive light for overall benefit to the service) can apply/request translating the remainder of the service obligation to reserve service.

No midshipman or cadet who has yet set foot on the field or court was recruited under the policy that let Reynolds and Swain defer all their service to reserves.

We are reverting to the policy that has allowed us to recruit football players who are 14-3 in AAC play.

14*-3

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