Absolutely pathetic. I hope every one of these ( R ) cowardly ******** is replaced in the next primaries. It's pretty clear who runs the show in Washington. It ain't the people.

http://wtop.com/government/2017/05/lawma...ding-bill/

Quote:Lawmakers on Monday unveiled a huge $1 trillion-plus spending bill that would fund most government operations through September but would deny President Donald Trump money for a border wall and rejects his proposed cuts to popular domestic programs.
.....
The measure funds the remainder of the 2017 budget year, through Sept. 30, rejecting cuts to popular domestic programs targeted by Trump such as medical research, the Environmental Protection Agency, and infrastructure grants.
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GOP leaders decided against trying to use the must-do spending bill to “defund” Planned Parenthood.

They are incapable of learning from elections.



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Add sanctuary cities' funding, refugee resettlement.... FFS, what a group of morons.

Time to boil the water on these Republican lawmakers. Unreal.

Trump won the election, but he did not get the most votes and he certainly has no mandate.

In addition, the border wall is opposed by the majority of Americans in pretty much every poll I've seen on the matter.

I believe PP funding is also desired by a majority as well.

Sounds like they are. Sorry.

And this is basically Exhibit A why huge tax cuts will not work. Congress likes to get re-elected...and that doesn't happen unless they bring money and funding back to the interests in their districts.

(05-01-2017 11:54 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Time to boil the water on these Republican lawmakers. Unreal.

I'm not happy, but this is the budget that should have been completed last September 30th. So it is the Obama administration's last budget.

I would think reconciliation would apply so that you would only need 51 votes, but maybe not.

(05-01-2017 12:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And this is basically Exhibit A why huge tax cuts will not work. Congress likes to get re-elected...and that doesn't happen unless they bring money and funding back to the interests in their districts.

People say that, but I have never even thought about any of my reps bringing money back to my area in the form of government funds.

In many ways, President Trump’s attempts to implement his hard-line immigration policies have not gone very well in his first three months. His travel ban aimed at some Muslim-majority countries has been blocked by the courts, his U.S.-Mexico border wall has gone nowhere in Congress, and he has retreated, at least for now, on his vow to target illegal immigrants brought here as children.

But one strategy that seems to be working well is fear. The number of migrants, legal and illegal, crossing into the United States has dropped markedly since Trump took office, while recent declines in the number of deportations have been reversed.

Many experts on both sides of the immigration debate attribute at least part of this shift to the use of sharp, unwelcoming rhetoric by Trump
-- washingtonpost.com

WORD OF MOUTH

The funny thing is Pelosi got asked: "If a budget proposal from the president authorized for a path to citizenship for all illegal immigrants already in the United States, but still had a wall demanded be built"...

She flat out said "NO!" Basically, she shot down amnesty for all current illegals if a wall was part of the deal.

(05-01-2017 12:39 PM)green Wrote:  In many ways, President Trump’s attempts to implement his hard-line immigration policies have not gone very well in his first three months. His travel ban aimed at some Muslim-majority countries has been blocked by the courts, his U.S.-Mexico border wall has gone nowhere in Congress, and he has retreated, at least for now, on his vow to target illegal immigrants brought here as children.

But one strategy that seems to be working well is fear. The number of migrants, legal and illegal, crossing into the United States has dropped markedly since Trump took office, while recent declines in the number of deportations have been reversed.

Many experts on both sides of the immigration debate attribute at least part of this shift to the use of sharp, unwelcoming rhetoric by Trump
-- washingtonpost.com

WORD OF MOUTH

Can't blame Trump for activist judges. The ban will be upheld, it's only a matter of time. It's a shame that the American people have to suffer in the mean time.

(05-01-2017 12:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 11:54 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Time to boil the water on these Republican lawmakers. Unreal.

I'm not happy, but this is the budget that should have been completed last September 30th. So it is the Obama administration's last budget.

I would think reconciliation would apply so that you would only need 51 votes, but maybe not.

You look at the rules of the Senate, even the rules of the House — but the rules of the Senate and some of the things you have to go through, it’s — it’s really a bad thing for the country, in my opinion. They’re archaic rules. And maybe at some point we’re going to have to take those rules on, because, for the good of the nation, things are going to have to be different. You can’t go through a process like this. It’s not fair. It forces you to make bad decisions. I mean, you’re really forced into doing things that you would normally not do except for these archaic rules.
-- President Trump

passage requires 60 senate votes ...
perhaps, it's time do away with the filibuster ...
end gridlock as we know it ...

DIG IN

(05-01-2017 12:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Trump won the election, but he did not get the most votes and he certainly has no mandate.

In addition, the border wall is opposed by the majority of Americans in pretty much every poll I've seen on the matter.

I believe PP funding is also desired by a majority as well.

Sounds like they are. Sorry.

He has a mandate amongst Republican primary voters. Republican reps seem to think thats not important.

(05-01-2017 12:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 11:54 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Time to boil the water on these Republican lawmakers. Unreal.

I'm not happy, but this is the budget that should have been completed last September 30th. So it is the Obama administration's last budget.

I would think reconciliation would apply so that you would only need 51 votes, but maybe not.

Why the hell should they pass OBAMA'S budget?

(05-01-2017 12:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Trump won the election, but he did not get the most votes and he certainly has no mandate.

In addition, the border wall is opposed by the majority of Americans in pretty much every poll I've seen on the matter.

I believe PP funding is also desired by a majority as well.

Sounds like they are. Sorry.

elections have consequences
-- barack obama

trump won ...
period ...
discussed ad nauseam ...
no such qualifier as the popular vote or approval rating in the U.S. constitution ...
therefore, entitled to enact his agenda ...

MIGHT MAKES RIGHT

(05-01-2017 12:39 PM)green Wrote:  In many ways, President Trump’s attempts to implement his hard-line immigration policies have not gone very well in his first three months. His travel ban aimed at some Muslim-majority countries has been blocked by the courts, his U.S.-Mexico border wall has gone nowhere in Congress, and he has retreated, at least for now, on his vow to target illegal immigrants brought here as children.

But one strategy that seems to be working well is fear. The number of migrants, legal and illegal, crossing into the United States has dropped markedly since Trump took office, while recent declines in the number of deportations have been reversed.

Many experts on both sides of the immigration debate attribute at least part of this shift to the use of sharp, unwelcoming rhetoric by Trump
-- washingtonpost.com

WORD OF MOUTH

That sharp, unwelcoming rhetoric, "I will enforce the law."

(05-01-2017 12:57 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 12:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 11:54 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Time to boil the water on these Republican lawmakers. Unreal.

I'm not happy, but this is the budget that should have been completed last September 30th. So it is the Obama administration's last budget.

I would think reconciliation would apply so that you would only need 51 votes, but maybe not.

Why the hell should they pass OBAMA'S budget?

Because the House Republicans and Senate Republicans couldn't pass a budget last year. So they are dealing with it now.

(05-01-2017 12:56 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 12:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Trump won the election, but he did not get the most votes and he certainly has no mandate.

In addition, the border wall is opposed by the majority of Americans in pretty much every poll I've seen on the matter.

I believe PP funding is also desired by a majority as well.

Sounds like they are. Sorry.

He has a mandate amongst Republican primary voters. Republican reps seem to think thats not important.

It isn't because he doesn't seem capable of delivering on all his campaign promises. And since his approval rating stinks, they are leery of getting into bed with him on things like the wall that nobody wants, a tax plan that will explode the debt and deficit, and an ACA repeal that will kick millions off insurance.

They will protect themselves first and foremost.

And no, this is not a Republican only problem.

(05-01-2017 01:15 PM)green Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 12:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Trump won the election, but he did not get the most votes and he certainly has no mandate.

In addition, the border wall is opposed by the majority of Americans in pretty much every poll I've seen on the matter.

I believe PP funding is also desired by a majority as well.

Sounds like they are. Sorry.

elections have consequences
-- barack obama

trump won ...
period ...
discussed ad nauseam ...
no such qualifier as the popular vote or approval rating in the U.S. constitution ...
therefore, entitled to enact his agenda ...

MIGHT MAKES RIGHT

Of course...but he still has to govern. For that he needs the public and congress on his side. He has neither now when you get down to brass tacks.

(05-01-2017 01:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 12:56 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 12:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Trump won the election, but he did not get the most votes and he certainly has no mandate.

In addition, the border wall is opposed by the majority of Americans in pretty much every poll I've seen on the matter.

I believe PP funding is also desired by a majority as well.

Sounds like they are. Sorry.

He has a mandate amongst Republican primary voters. Republican reps seem to think thats not important.

It isn't because he doesn't seem capable of delivering on all his campaign promises. And since his approval rating stinks, they are leery of getting into bed with him on things like the wall that nobody wants, a tax plan that will explode the debt and deficit, and an ACA repeal that will kick millions off insurance.

They will protect themselves first and foremost.

And no, this is not a Republican only problem.

It's a Republican only problem for people who want to win a Republican primary.

Regardless of what happens with Trump, the non-establishment and populist issues he backed don't go away. The 15 factions of the Republican Party lost...and will continue to lose if they continue to insist that the dysfunctional, cowardly, RINO, do-nothing way will be back in vogue if Trump fails.