(04-30-2017 10:55 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 10:40 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  "“It’s a very rough system,” he said. “It’s an archaic system … It’s really a bad thing for the country.”"

"The US President also urged Americans to celebrate 1 May as “Loyalty Day” – a recognition of what he said were the US values of loyalty to "individual liberties, to limited government, and to the inherent dignity of every human being"."

I'd argue that it is archaic to protect individual liberties and to prevent large government. That policies shouldn't be passed because 50.1% of congress voted aye. The filibuster in congress isn't the best thing but it is a potential way to prevent more laws and regulations on the people, that both democrats and republicans love to try and pass depending on their ideology and moral standard. Imagine if you will, the republicans get rid of the filibuster in congress and next election the democrats somehow pull off taking the presidency and enough seats in both the house and senate, would you want them to lack the checks and balances that the filibuster does somewhat provide?

Is it such a bad thing for this country? Or is it what protects individual liberties and keeps government smaller and less involved in our lives?

from bold to bold..........tell me where we currently reside within that strata....

me thinks the filibuster has done nothing to squash the increase of gov't over time.....

when they're both crooked, it basically doesn't matter....

and once it gets to a point of enormity, it becomes even less important.....

this goes much deeper in the well that just "filibustering" in today's schema....

the root cause is completely being whiffed in this thread.....

It hasn't done enough to squash the increase of government over time, but it has made it harder for any ideology to force their view of government, doesn't so much prevent it as it does act as a speed bump, so you're right in a sense.

They're both crooked, but in their own set of standards, meaning the tug of war will always try to tear the other ideas of tyranny down while trying to place theirs, if the the filibuster is removed the pendulum will swing faster and faster until who knows what happens. Such control as the reps have right now could (not probable though at this moment in time) swing to the dems, and without that filibuster we'd be forced into social program after social program in the name of progress and society, simply because they could outvote every bill. It's also why team politics scares me.

(04-30-2017 11:11 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:07 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:06 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 10:45 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 10:42 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Here is what the video said....

President Trump weighed in on governing what he called the "archaic rules" of the Senate. Nowhere does he say what you claim about the Constitution..

You posted fake news and got busted for it. Libs do it all the time.

Why do you assume I'm a Liberal? Where do the checks of his executive power originate from?

I didn't call you a lib. I just said libs post fake news all the time.

You insinuated it. Republicans are no better at avoiding fake/misleading news.

you're all-in on op-ed.....that's a gimme that will cost you over time....

to prove that point.....

name me one dem policy that makes economic sense......just one....I've asked this question for a few years now on this board.......I'm certain I will continue to not get a valid response....

You don't seem to understand that there are more than 2 options. Not supporting Trump doesn't make you a flaming Libtard, or whatever pejorative you fancy. I voted for Gary Johnson(not a huge supporter of his but he was the least embarrassing candidate IMO). I'm not here to defend Democrats.

(04-30-2017 11:11 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:06 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:01 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 10:52 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 10:40 PM)Rob Wrote:  Where did the archaic system come from? What gives us the basis for the archaic rules that check executive power?

The filibuster is a creation of Congress, not the constitution you dumb ****.

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Go back and read his quote and tell me you interpret that as just a problem with filibustering. He was either rambling or he was complaining about the many rules that make passing his legislature through difficult. I understand why it would be frustrating to face opposition if you are used to being the only voice that matters in your line of work but that's not how running this country works.

there's a difference between checks and balances vs. outright lying.....which you are obviously trying to accomplish with the latter....

DJT doesn't care about party lines.....he cares about the whole....

it's THE concept he ran on.....and the one we voted for....

we knew it wouldn't be easy......and he's laying it out exactly the way I expected and wanted....

buckle up buttercup.....reformation has only begun....

You're in for a rough time if you thought he cared about the whole. I would say you'll be disappointed but you appear to be a faithful servant so I doubt you'll ever come around.

that's what I expected in response.....

dude, I'm a social liberal in relative terms to this board......but when it's comes to the USD and policy, I'm all-in growing the base......

you obviously don't understand that concept....not my problem to wave buh-bye to you

(04-30-2017 11:15 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:11 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:07 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:06 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 10:45 PM)Rob Wrote:  Why do you assume I'm a Liberal? Where do the checks of his executive power originate from?

I didn't call you a lib. I just said libs post fake news all the time.

You insinuated it. Republicans are no better at avoiding fake/misleading news.

you're all-in on op-ed.....that's a gimme that will cost you over time....

to prove that point.....

name me one dem policy that makes economic sense......just one....I've asked this question for a few years now on this board.......I'm certain I will continue to not get a valid response....

You don't seem to understand that there are more than 2 options. Not supporting Trump doesn't make you a flaming Libtard, or whatever pejorative you fancy. I voted for Gary Johnson(not a huge supporter of his but he was the least embarrassing candidate IMO). I'm not here to defend Democrats.

how are there more than two options in realistic terms?

right now, the FC is screwing the pooch relative to the red side.....if that's what you're implying, I'll say yes to that....

you still haven't answered the question relative to the premise......name one.....just one.....that's all I'm looking for....

edit: btw, voting for gj is akin to voting for oscar the grouch....

(04-30-2017 11:12 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:08 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:01 PM)Rob Wrote:  Go back and read his quote and tell me you interpret that as just a problem with filibustering. He was either rambling or he was complaining about the many rules that make passing his legislature through difficult. I understand why it would be frustrating to face opposition if you are used to being the only voice that matters in your line of work but that's not how running this country works.

He is clearly discussing the filibuster here. Not sure how you can interpret this any other way.

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We all see what we want, I guess,

Yeah, you saw Gary Johnson. How'd that work out for ya?

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(04-30-2017 11:21 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:12 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:08 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:01 PM)Rob Wrote:  Go back and read his quote and tell me you interpret that as just a problem with filibustering. He was either rambling or he was complaining about the many rules that make passing his legislature through difficult. I understand why it would be frustrating to face opposition if you are used to being the only voice that matters in your line of work but that's not how running this country works.

He is clearly discussing the filibuster here. Not sure how you can interpret this any other way.

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We all see what we want, I guess,

Yeah, you saw Gary Johnson. How'd that work out for ya?

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Well, he may be the one person who can get the smaller parties into debates with the larger two using the lawsuit against FEC against the CPD, and made it so the LP doesn't have to pay to be on the ballot in all but I believe 9 states, so I'll take the small victories.

(04-30-2017 11:21 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:12 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:08 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:01 PM)Rob Wrote:  Go back and read his quote and tell me you interpret that as just a problem with filibustering. He was either rambling or he was complaining about the many rules that make passing his legislature through difficult. I understand why it would be frustrating to face opposition if you are used to being the only voice that matters in your line of work but that's not how running this country works.

He is clearly discussing the filibuster here. Not sure how you can interpret this any other way.

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We all see what we want, I guess,

Yeah, you saw Gary Johnson. How'd that work out for ya?

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This isn't about me, it's about the country. Y'all take this **** waaaay too personally. I just want the best and whether it is Trump or Hillary or Gary or Bernie, we aren't putting the best forward. Our political environment is so toxic right now we can't even have a reasonable conversation about issues. Trump means big bucks for the media so they are as unreliable as ever. We're in a sad state.

(04-30-2017 11:29 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:21 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:12 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:08 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:01 PM)Rob Wrote:  Go back and read his quote and tell me you interpret that as just a problem with filibustering. He was either rambling or he was complaining about the many rules that make passing his legislature through difficult. I understand why it would be frustrating to face opposition if you are used to being the only voice that matters in your line of work but that's not how running this country works.

He is clearly discussing the filibuster here. Not sure how you can interpret this any other way.

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We all see what we want, I guess,

Yeah, you saw Gary Johnson. How'd that work out for ya?

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This isn't about me, it's about the country. Y'all take this **** waaaay too personally. I just want the best and whether it is Trump or Hillary or Gary or Bernie, we aren't putting the best forward. Our political environment is so toxic right now we can't even have a reasonable conversation about issues. Trump means big bucks for the media so they are as unreliable as ever. We're in a sad state.

the filibuster was addressed.....and you didn't like the responses....

so now you still won't answer a fundamental question (that's relevant to the topic) and divert to what we already know (the media is full o' shite)

what's next on the argument train.....are you going to post a pic of dolly parton pillows and lobby that all should have big 'uns???

this is the real world we live in......if you want to play in it successfully, it's wise to never ignore or have the funds to fuel the stooges....

(04-30-2017 10:52 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 10:40 PM)Rob Wrote:  Where did the archaic system come from? What gives us the basis for the archaic rules that check executive power?

The filibuster is a creation of Congress, not the constitution you dumb ****.

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Damn... that was a


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(04-30-2017 11:07 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:06 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 10:45 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 10:42 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 10:36 PM)Rob Wrote:  http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2...untry.html

Here's the actual video.

Here is what the video said....

President Trump weighed in on governing what he called the "archaic rules" of the Senate. Nowhere does he say what you claim about the Constitution..

You posted fake news and got busted for it. Libs do it all the time.

Why do you assume I'm a Liberal? Where do the checks of his executive power originate from?

I didn't call you a lib. I just said libs post fake news all the time.

You insinuated it. Republicans are no better at avoiding fake/misleading news.

link?

(04-30-2017 10:32 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 10:26 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Low quality post, btw. No original thought. Not even a quote from the article.

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I didn't write the articles covering this so take it up with them, not me. What original thought do you want me to add? If this story is accurate, it's absurd that we elected a president who feels this way.

So, then "no" I'd guess?

Why not just start there?

(04-30-2017 11:11 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:06 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:01 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 10:52 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 10:40 PM)Rob Wrote:  Where did the archaic system come from? What gives us the basis for the archaic rules that check executive power?

The filibuster is a creation of Congress, not the constitution you dumb ****.

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Go back and read his quote and tell me you interpret that as just a problem with filibustering. He was either rambling or he was complaining about the many rules that make passing his legislature through difficult. I understand why it would be frustrating to face opposition if you are used to being the only voice that matters in your line of work but that's not how running this country works.

there's a difference between checks and balances vs. outright lying.....which you are obviously trying to accomplish with the latter....

DJT doesn't care about party lines.....he cares about the whole....

it's THE concept he ran on.....and the one we voted for....

we knew it wouldn't be easy......and he's laying it out exactly the way I expected and wanted....

buckle up buttercup.....reformation has only begun....

You're in for a rough time if you thought he cared about the whole. I would say you'll be disappointed but you appear to be a faithful servant so I doubt you'll ever come around.

For all of President Trumps faults....

he's probably the first president in my lifetime (57) that actually does care. It's not just about party lines with President Trump and that scares people on both sides. People might not agree with what he thinks is the best way. But if President Donald J Trump had his way...


all of us would have a better lot in life. We're always going to have the top getting their share. That wont change no matter who's in office...

it's the money that control the people that write the laws and control policy. Those greedy SOBs in congress that's got their hands out at every turn...

President Trump scares the hell out of them...both sides. I think before this is over you will start seeing President Trump calling out as many Republicans as he does democrats.

The man wants change and he wants to go down in history as the president that did that. As the GOAT...that's Donald J Trumps goal. So unlike party line politicians. Trump want some policies that benefit the poor, the working poor and the one group that is almost always taking the hit....Middle Class. To do that you also have to give some at the top....



If the party line politicians get the **** out of the way...America will be a lot better off 4 years from now

(05-01-2017 12:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:11 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:06 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:01 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 10:52 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  The filibuster is a creation of Congress, not the constitution you dumb ****.

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Go back and read his quote and tell me you interpret that as just a problem with filibustering. He was either rambling or he was complaining about the many rules that make passing his legislature through difficult. I understand why it would be frustrating to face opposition if you are used to being the only voice that matters in your line of work but that's not how running this country works.

there's a difference between checks and balances vs. outright lying.....which you are obviously trying to accomplish with the latter....

DJT doesn't care about party lines.....he cares about the whole....

it's THE concept he ran on.....and the one we voted for....

we knew it wouldn't be easy......and he's laying it out exactly the way I expected and wanted....

buckle up buttercup.....reformation has only begun....

You're in for a rough time if you thought he cared about the whole. I would say you'll be disappointed but you appear to be a faithful servant so I doubt you'll ever come around.

For all of President Trumps faults....

he's probably the first president in my lifetime (57) that actually does care. It's not just about party lines with President Trump and that scares people on both sides. People might not agree with what he thinks is the best way. But if President Donald J Trump had his way...


all of us would have a better lot in life. You always going to have the top getting their share. That wont change no matter who's in office...

it's the money that control the people that write the laws and control policy. Those greedy SOBs in congress that's got their hands out at every turn...

President Trump scares the hell out of them...both sides. I think before this is over you will start seeing President Trump calling out as many Republicans as he does democrats.

The man wants change and he wants to go down in history as the president that did that. As the GOAT...that's Donald J Trumps goal. So unlike party line politicians. Trump does have or want some policies that benefit the poor, the working poor and the one group that is almost always taking the hit....

Middle Class

If the party line politicians get the **** out of the way...America will be a lot better off 4 years from now

The guy doesn't like Trump so he sees a headline he is fired up enough about to come post it here attacking Trump, but he is too lazy to actually read the article to discover the headline was wrong. Just the kind of person fake news thrives on.

(05-01-2017 12:21 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  The guy doesn't like Trump so he sees a headline he is fired up enough about to come post it here attacking Trump, but he is too lazy to actually read the article to discover the headline was wrong. Just the kind of person fake news thrives on.

Par for the course for Rob. He argues just for the sake of arguing, even when everyone in the room, including him, knows he is dead wrong.

He spends 95% of his political posts attacking republicans, then claims he is above partisan politics when he gets called out on it.

(04-30-2017 10:01 PM)Rob Wrote:  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...10781.html

He also said he thought being president would be easier. We elected this guy...

He was referring to the rules that Congress has established as being archaic. I don't see that as a slamming the Constitution.

(05-01-2017 03:43 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 12:21 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  The guy doesn't like Trump so he sees a headline he is fired up enough about to come post it here attacking Trump, but he is too lazy to actually read the article to discover the headline was wrong. Just the kind of person fake news thrives on.

Par for the course for Rob. He argues just for the sake of arguing, even when everyone in the room, including him, knows he is dead wrong.

He spends 95% of his political posts attacking republicans, then claims he is above partisan politics when he gets called out on it.

Inaccurate, as usual.

(05-01-2017 12:21 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  The guy doesn't like Trump so he sees a headline he is fired up enough about to come post it here attacking Trump, but he is too lazy to actually read the article to discover the headline was wrong. Just the kind of person fake news thrives on.

I did read the article, which is why I said "if" this is true several times. We have all unknowingly posted articles with misleading information, that's just part of living today, unfortunately. While he doesn't name the constitution directly, he clearly shows frustration with the checks to his power(not just filibuster) which come from the constitution. Also, when I post articles I generally post the title, which is what said constitution. Had I written the article I wouldn't have worded the title that way. It is misleading.

(04-30-2017 11:12 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:08 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:01 PM)Rob Wrote:  Go back and read his quote and tell me you interpret that as just a problem with filibustering. He was either rambling or he was complaining about the many rules that make passing his legislature through difficult. I understand why it would be frustrating to face opposition if you are used to being the only voice that matters in your line of work but that's not how running this country works.

He is clearly discussing the filibuster here. Not sure how you can interpret this any other way.

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We all see what we want, I guess,

Well, you certainly did.

(05-01-2017 06:00 AM)Rob Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 12:21 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  The guy doesn't like Trump so he sees a headline he is fired up enough about to come post it here attacking Trump, but he is too lazy to actually read the article to discover the headline was wrong. Just the kind of person fake news thrives on.

I did read the article, which is why I said "if" this is true several times. We have all unknowingly posted articles with misleading information, that's just part of living today, unfortunately. While he doesn't name the constitution directly, he clearly shows frustration with the checks to his power(not just filibuster) which come from the constitution. Also, when I post articles I generally post the title, which is what said constitution. Had I written the article I wouldn't have worded the title that way. It is misleading.

Lol. Bless your heart