(07-06-2017 09:37 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 11:27 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  Deontae Hawkins. Grad transfer (Illinois State) who committed to BC but was brought to campus and to Tubby Smith by Geron Johnson this past weekend. Apparently the coaches kept telling Jobnson that they wanted his friend and one of them told the coaches that he wanted to decommit from BC and commit to Memphis. Memphis told him that they would call him the next day but never called. He's now set up visits to Michigan, LSU and Ohio State. (Per the story on the J&J show)

6'8 Forward averaged 14 points and 6.5brebounds per game last year and shot 44% from 3pt range

(07-02-2017 02:39 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  they may not be finished, they could add another as long as it benefits the APR.

Could Deontae Hawkins still be a possibility? Rothstein just reported he is back on the market.

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Deontae Hawkins tells me he's no longer committed to BC, but Eagles are at top of list. Considering New Mexico, Creighton, WKU, and Pacific.

This about Hawkins from a WSU fan, WSU fan here. "I know a lot about the history of Hawkins. You guys would be much, much better off without him.

He would never see the court for a coach that had any program discipline."

See http://csnbbs.com/thread-820064-page-17.html

The lack of grad transfers on the roster is disconcerting unless it is for APR reasons. They are a very good short term fix and easily disposed if they cause problems. It is a low risk/high reward solution for a player meeting a need (e.g., outside shooting).

(07-07-2017 09:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The lack of grad transfers on the roster is disconcerting unless it is for APR reasons. They are a very good short term fix and easily disposed if they cause problems. It is a low risk/high reward solution for a player meeting a need (e.g., outside shooting).

APR is potentially an issue with the string of transfers without graduation over the last few years.

(07-07-2017 10:10 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 09:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The lack of grad transfers on the roster is disconcerting unless it is for APR reasons. They are a very good short term fix and easily disposed if they cause problems. It is a low risk/high reward solution for a player meeting a need (e.g., outside shooting).

APR is potentially an issue with the string of transfers without graduation over the last few years.

It's only an issue if they didn't transfer in good standing.

(07-07-2017 10:19 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:10 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 09:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The lack of grad transfers on the roster is disconcerting unless it is for APR reasons. They are a very good short term fix and easily disposed if they cause problems. It is a low risk/high reward solution for a player meeting a need (e.g., outside shooting).

APR is potentially an issue with the string of transfers without graduation over the last few years.

It's only an issue if they didn't transfer in good standing.

According to the Tiger CA beat writer, out APR could also be harmed if the grad transfer does not get his grad degree while at Memphis.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp...342530001/

(07-06-2017 10:48 PM)jamammy Wrote:  Sorry, gonna lmao for a second.

Hey, BalancedManSPE, welcome to the board.

Thanks my friend.

I think this team Tubby has put together with the #1 recruiting class is going to play balls to the wall. It will be a gritty squad. I'm just wondering how the mentality/talent combination will translate into wins. When I saw there is still a possibility for another addition I couldn't help but wonder who. A good veteran (if there is anyone available that fits that bill) could possibly bump this team up a couple spots in the standings.

(07-07-2017 10:38 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:19 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:10 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 09:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The lack of grad transfers on the roster is disconcerting unless it is for APR reasons. They are a very good short term fix and easily disposed if they cause problems. It is a low risk/high reward solution for a player meeting a need (e.g., outside shooting).

APR is potentially an issue with the string of transfers without graduation over the last few years.

It's only an issue if they didn't transfer in good standing.

According to the Tiger CA beat writer, out APR could also be harmed if the grad transfer does not get his grad degree while at Memphis.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp...342530001/

Yeah. I think the risk of graduate student messing up the APR is much higher than a typical student.

It sounds like Tubby was worried about the two we had last year at the end of the season.

APR is a big consideration for us in all of our recruiting decisions. We are not in good shape. We need to be very, very good this season, the goal is perfection.

(07-07-2017 11:00 AM)mphsfan Wrote:  APR is a big consideration for us in all of our recruiting decisions. We are not in good shape. We need to be very, very good this season, the goal is perfection.

I think the APR concern is two fold

Tubby got hit hard at Minny due to APR issues and I believe it is a performance metric in his contract here.

(07-07-2017 07:40 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 04:57 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Updated with Malik Rhodes signing.

Probably the last update to this thread.

The 24/7 site assigned Rhodes three stars - more than I guessed.

http://memphis.247sports.com/Season/2017...ll/Commits

Yea, I already had that update.

(07-07-2017 08:17 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 07:40 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 04:57 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Updated with Malik Rhodes signing.

Probably the last update to this thread.

The 24/7 site assigned Rhodes three stars - more than I guessed.

http://memphis.247sports.com/Season/2017...ll/Commits

Shh. You will get Stammers talking about ranking inflation....

He might freak out when he learns their are 201 4*'s on 247 in 2018.

My honest opinion. I expect with the new apps like Krossover which has a lot of NCJAA games, and all the major circuit games it's easier for those ranking sites to do evaluations.

247 has a rule that is based upon years of data. The player's composite score as computed from their algorithm determines the "stars" for the player. If he comes in 90-97 composite, he's a 4-star. Regardless of the number of other 4-stars.

That is different from some others who have rules "like top 25 are 5-stars each year, no matter their rating".

So 247 takes into account the depth of classes, more than the comparison to peers. So one year, they could have 75 4-stars, and the next year have 200. It's more of a multi-year approach versus the single-year approach.

That's what some here struggle to see and use it as a point to whine about Alex Lomax.

(07-07-2017 09:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The lack of grad transfers on the roster is disconcerting unless it is for APR reasons. They are a very good short term fix and easily disposed if they cause problems. It is a low risk/high reward solution for a player meeting a need (e.g., outside shooting).

APR aside, Tubby just doesn't go after grads. I believe the 2 we had last year were the only 2 he's ever taken. And they didn't really work out, so probably won't see many more. He's historically gone after prep schoolers, jucos, internationals - but not grad transfers.

Right or wrong - may as well get used to it.

(07-07-2017 10:56 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 10:48 PM)jamammy Wrote:  Sorry, gonna lmao for a second.

Hey, BalancedManSPE, welcome to the board.

Thanks my friend.

I think this team Tubby has put together with the #1 recruiting class is going to play balls to the wall. It will be a gritty squad. I'm just wondering how the mentality/talent combination will translate into wins. When I saw there is still a possibility for another addition I couldn't help but wonder who. A good veteran (if there is anyone available that fits that bill) could possibly bump this team up a couple spots in the standings.

I remain optimistic as well.

As the upcoming season nears, I am find myself closer and closer to boarding the Tubby train.

Two feet firmly on.

Woot. Woot.

Let's give him a chance.

(07-07-2017 05:57 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:56 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 10:48 PM)jamammy Wrote:  Sorry, gonna lmao for a second.

Hey, BalancedManSPE, welcome to the board.

Thanks my friend.

I think this team Tubby has put together with the #1 recruiting class is going to play balls to the wall. It will be a gritty squad. I'm just wondering how the mentality/talent combination will translate into wins. When I saw there is still a possibility for another addition I couldn't help but wonder who. A good veteran (if there is anyone available that fits that bill) could possibly bump this team up a couple spots in the standings.

I remain optimistic as well.

As the upcoming season nears, I am find myself closer and closer to boarding the Tubby train.

Two feet firmly on.

Woot. Woot.

Let's give him a chance.

Totally agree we should trust his judgement. The guy has a proven track record and is highly regarded in college basketball. Too many people want the Quick Fix but the quick fix method leads to cheating and sanctions.

(07-07-2017 05:14 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 09:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The lack of grad transfers on the roster is disconcerting unless it is for APR reasons. They are a very good short term fix and easily disposed if they cause problems. It is a low risk/high reward solution for a player meeting a need (e.g., outside shooting).

APR aside, Tubby just doesn't go after grads. I believe the 2 we had last year were the only 2 he's ever taken. And they didn't really work out, so probably won't see many more. He's historically gone after prep schoolers, jucos, internationals - but not grad transfers.

Right or wrong - may as well get used to it.

Tubby should explore and exploit every legitimate option to obtain the best possible talent. It is folly to write off quality players that are commonly pursued by good programs like Xavier, Virginia, NC St., Michigan,and Oregon.

(07-07-2017 10:56 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 10:48 PM)jamammy Wrote:  Sorry, gonna lmao for a second.

Hey, BalancedManSPE, welcome to the board.

Thanks my friend.

I think this team Tubby has put together with the #1 recruiting class is going to play balls to the wall. It will be a gritty squad. I'm just wondering how the mentality/talent combination will translate into wins. When I saw there is still a possibility for another addition I couldn't help but wonder who. A good veteran (if there is anyone available that fits that bill) could possibly bump this team up a couple spots in the standings.

What group rated our class number one? I am not aware of it.

(07-07-2017 06:19 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 05:57 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:56 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 10:48 PM)jamammy Wrote:  Sorry, gonna lmao for a second.

Hey, BalancedManSPE, welcome to the board.

Thanks my friend.

I think this team Tubby has put together with the #1 recruiting class is going to play balls to the wall. It will be a gritty squad. I'm just wondering how the mentality/talent combination will translate into wins. When I saw there is still a possibility for another addition I couldn't help but wonder who. A good veteran (if there is anyone available that fits that bill) could possibly bump this team up a couple spots in the standings.

I remain optimistic as well.

As the upcoming season nears, I am find myself closer and closer to boarding the Tubby train.

Two feet firmly on.

Woot. Woot.

Let's give him a chance.

Totally agree we should trust his judgement. The guy has a proven track record and is highly regarded in college basketball. Too many people want the Quick Fix but the quick fix method leads to cheating and sanctions.

I think we should give him a chance...But there are some decisions that should be questioned and not just blindly trusted just because he has done it before. I would be all in with the trust his judgement if he takes this years team to the tourney though because they shouldn't be there by any predictive metric you can come up with.

(07-06-2017 09:42 PM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  Jon Rothstein‏
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Deontae Hawkins also told me that he currently has no visits pending. Illinois State grad transfer is eligible immediately next season.

Welcome aboard brotha . . . . VDBL . . . HFF.

(07-07-2017 09:09 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:56 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 10:48 PM)jamammy Wrote:  Sorry, gonna lmao for a second.

Hey, BalancedManSPE, welcome to the board.

Thanks my friend.

I think this team Tubby has put together with the #1 recruiting class is going to play balls to the wall. It will be a gritty squad. I'm just wondering how the mentality/talent combination will translate into wins. When I saw there is still a possibility for another addition I couldn't help but wonder who. A good veteran (if there is anyone available that fits that bill) could possibly bump this team up a couple spots in the standings.

What group rated our class number one? I am not aware of it.

Virtually all of the usual & known rating services had the 2017 Memphis class #1 in the AAC until last month. Think we are a consensus #3 at this point.

(07-08-2017 07:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 09:09 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:56 AM)BalancedManSPE Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 10:48 PM)jamammy Wrote:  Sorry, gonna lmao for a second.

Hey, BalancedManSPE, welcome to the board.

Thanks my friend.

I think this team Tubby has put together with the #1 recruiting class is going to play balls to the wall. It will be a gritty squad. I'm just wondering how the mentality/talent combination will translate into wins. When I saw there is still a possibility for another addition I couldn't help but wonder who. A good veteran (if there is anyone available that fits that bill) could possibly bump this team up a couple spots in the standings.

What group rated our class number one? I am not aware of it.

Virtually all of the usual & known rating services had the 2017 Memphis class #1 in the AAC until last month. Think we are a consensus #3 at this point.

Agree. It might go up again given the rating services' volatility.