(04-28-2017 11:52 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-28-2017 09:41 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(04-28-2017 06:18 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-28-2017 02:37 PM)johnintx Wrote:  A downside is that TCU loses perhaps the biggest non-conference game ever played in their stadium. Nearby Jerry World and $5 million soften the blow, but it's a big deal to have a big-time program come to your campus. The on-campus environment and home field advantage are superior.

A similar situation occurred when TCU and LSU turned a home-and-home into a one-off Arlington game in 2013.

That's exactly what I was thinking. How great of an opportunity was it for the TCU community to have Ohio St come to Ft Worth and play on TCU's campus? 5 million is great but this neutral game does nothing for adding new fans, or promoting the campus. TCU had struggled in the past with the area fan base. 80's and 90's were horrific. Jerry World is certainly not the TCU community. Before someone protests what I'm saying, picture the Rice fan base growing with a game vs Michigan in the Texan's stadium instead of their own. You can't really put a price tag on the value of getting a blue blood to come play a game on your field. The local TCU community pride is being replaced with cheesy corporate Jerry World. I'm sure some TCU students will be estatic for a game at Jerry World! Not.

The students love game at Jerry's World. They sell beer in the stands. It is in Tarrant County. It is air conditioned. They have been there in droves for the other three games will have played there. Why would they not like it?

Missed my point.
TCU is 5 years removed from the MWC, 13 years removed from CUSA and 16 years removed from the WAC. They were 21 years removed from relevance,during those dark years. They are quite literally 6 years away from being WAC/CUSA/MWC status again if two, count them, two schools leave their conference. (OU & UT) I remember the spring of 1994 and the SWC falling apart and TCU being left behind. Rice, Houston and SMU would give anything to get Ohio St on campus. TCU may only have 1 of these opportunities again before they are in the Rice, SMU and Houston "iced out" situation again.
Take the H&H while you can, TCU. Power status is fleeting, ecspecially if you are TCU and the 5th Banana in Texas. In 6 years when your conference mates are Houston, SMU, New Mexico, BYU and Colorado St again....they'll wish they had played Ohio St on their campus.

The PAC, ACC, and SEC would be interested in T.C.U. under the right circumstances. Dallas/Ft.Worth is an essential market for any of those three provided they don't already have Oklahoma or Texas. I think T.C.U. is well positioned to survive the big implosion when it comes.

It's also a good scenario for Houston potentially.

Let's say just hypothetically that the SEC did land OU and that Texas either went with OU to the SEC, or to the Big 10 with Kansas, or got an independent deal with the ACC. The PAC could gain a large share of that state as well with Tech as a bridge, T.C.U., and either Rice if they insisted upon the academics or Houston if they wanted the better product with the better attendance.

Now the networks will have tied the largest market spread (26-27 million) to the SEC with OU and A&M, to the ACC with UT, and to the PAC with three options named. That's a major way to put those homes in play and to capitalize off of the advertising in three locales.

The schools with the problem if UT and OU bolt are going to be Kansas State, Iowa State, and Oklahoma State if FOX doesn't get involved with the PAC. They don't meet Big 10 specs. And the other conferences don't want to double dip into states with 3 million or less in population. West Virginia's best play would be the ACC and that's not guaranteed. Baylor would have a huge current negative reputation to overcome.

If the GOR expires the coattails for little brother get cut. So if something happens to try to protect the less fortunate (and altruism doesn't run deep in sports conferences) it will have to happen before the GOR expires and would need to include a minimum of 8 but preferably all 10. At least FOX and ESPN share a 50/50 interest for the most part in both the PAC and Big 12. That will help to a degree. But if the GOR expires 4 maybe 5 of the 10 find a home. But T.C.U. is actually well positioned for that eventuality.

Tex is not going to another conf & be an alsoran
these other conf are not going to let them come in & take over
was't there hellious infighting with B-8 & SWC merger

B-12 is gonna have to fix there promblems
last round of fake expansion, prorating money for adding schools was droped from TV contact
expanding now with 8 schools would need seprate contract

(04-28-2017 02:27 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I know they arent and do not hate them in general, but Ohio State has been very resistant toward them up to this point.

"Resistant" kind of implies "but not absolutely opposed to". The Buckeyes find playing neutral site in Dallas appealing for both recruiting and for allowing alumni in Texas to get to the game. And while the payday is probably a bigger deal for TCU than for the Buckeyes, but $5m is still a healthy payday.

(04-29-2017 02:50 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Tex is not going to another conf & be an alsoran
these other conf are not going to let them come in & take over
was't there hellious infighting with B-8 & SWC merger

So hellacious that there wasn't a merger ... the Big 8 didn't want to merge, and as they were not the conference that was falling apart, they didn't have to. That's why all of the Big 8 and only 4/7 of the remaining SWC were members of the original Big12 alignment.

I was actually looking forward to going to Columbus and experiencing that venue. That's one negative not mentioned yet. Road trips are fun and road trips to venerable stadiums are even more fun.

(04-29-2017 06:30 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-28-2017 02:27 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I know they arent and do not hate them in general, but Ohio State has been very resistant toward them up to this point.

"Resistant" kind of implies "but not absolutely opposed to". The Buckeyes find playing neutral site in Dallas appealing for both recruiting and for allowing alumni in Texas to get to the game. And while the payday is probably a bigger deal for TCU than for the Buckeyes, but $5m is still a healthy payday.

(04-29-2017 02:50 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Tex is not going to another conf & be an alsoran
these other conf are not going to let them come in & take over
was't there hellious infighting with B-8 & SWC merger

So hellacious that there wasn't a merger ... the Big 8 didn't want to merge, and as they were not the conference that was falling apart, they didn't have to. That's why all of the Big 8 and only 4/7 of the remaining SWC were members of the original Big12 alignment.

4/8. 4 went to the Big 12. 4 did not.

I'm just not seeing this as a big TV winner.

(04-29-2017 06:54 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm just not seeing this as a big TV winner.

It will do well, but Dallas isn't TCU town.
Dallas is:
Cowboys





UT
Arky
AtM


TCU





SMU

(04-29-2017 10:40 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 06:54 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm just not seeing this as a big TV winner.

It will do well, but Dallas isn't TCU town.
Dallas is:
Cowboys





UT
Arky
AtM


TCU





SMU

I do agree it is a pro sports town. Perhaps more than any major metropolitan area, there are divided allegiances among college fans. With 12 FBS Texas colleges plus all the transplants into DFW, no school dominates the market. And that is reflected in the media coverage. TCU, A&M, UT, Baylor, Tech and SMU all get covered well. But Arky? I don't see too many Srky-centric articles. Not sure where that comes from.

Well Fort Worth is a TCU town.

Mixed feelings on this

On the one hand it would be a huge coup for OSU to have to play in AGC itself. But pragmatically I can see why this deal works for both parties and would even seem to benefit TCU more than OSU.

The key I think is that OSU thinks that this venue will let them pack the place with their fans to negate TCU home advantage.

However I think the Rose Bowl shows that this will not be the case and that Purple Reign DFW will turn out big for the Frogs in this game

(04-30-2017 11:38 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Well Fort Worth is a TCU town.

Agreed.

(04-30-2017 12:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:38 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Well Fort Worth is a TCU town.

Agreed.

This.

While TCU was building their program on the field, they positioned themselves as Fort Worth's team off of it. They marketed well within the community, inviting themselves to be the "second favorite team" for local alums and fans of UT, A&M, OU, Tech, etc. As this happened, Fort Worth and Tarrant County hit a growth spurt. Fort Worth now has over 800,000 people, and Tarrant County now has 2 million in population. TCU took advantage of success on the field and dynamic growth off of it to grow their fanbase. TCU can now fill their stadium with their own fans. Before the growth of the program, that was not the case.

The sprawl and fragmentation of the area helps TCU in this case, as they don't need Dallas in order to build a fanbase. In the eyes of long-time residents, Dallas and Fort Worth are two separate metro areas that share an airport and TV/radio stations. They are two separate and distinct cities that grew together. Some things are shared, such as major league franchises. Other things are not. There is still a rivalry between the two cities. TCU did well to position themselves as Fort Worth's team.

In light of the growth of TCU's program and the city of Fort Worth, it would have been a big and really important deal to have Ohio State play in their stadium. The symbolic value would have been enormous.

(04-30-2017 01:40 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 12:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 11:38 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Well Fort Worth is a TCU town.

Agreed.

This.

While TCU was building their program on the field, they positioned themselves as Fort Worth's team off of it. They marketed well within the community, inviting themselves to be the "second favorite team" for local alums and fans of UT, A&M, OU, Tech, etc. As this happened, Fort Worth and Tarrant County hit a growth spurt. Fort Worth now has over 800,000 people, and Tarrant County now has 2 million in population. TCU took advantage of success on the field and dynamic growth off of it to grow their fanbase. TCU can now fill their stadium with their own fans. Before the growth of the program, that was not the case.

The sprawl and fragmentation of the area helps TCU in this case, as they don't need Dallas in order to build a fanbase. In the eyes of long-time residents, Dallas and Fort Worth are two separate metro areas that share an airport and TV/radio stations. They are two separate and distinct cities that grew together. Some things are shared, such as major league franchises. Other things are not. There is still a rivalry between the two cities. TCU did well to position themselves as Fort Worth's team.

In light of the growth of TCU's program and the city of Fort Worth, it would have been a big and really important deal to have Ohio State play in their stadium. The symbolic value would have been enormous.

"The symbolic value would have been enormous"--this 100%. Its obvious a lot of people who don't know DFW, or Fort Worth think a game at Jerry World is great for TCU. While the game will get a very good crowd and good tv numbers it's not a great thing for TCU. It would have been great for the community to get Ohio St and their fans on the TCU campus and on the newly renovated "Camden Yards" of stadiums. That's invaluable. I don't see a 5 million payment as a big win for TCU as much as I see the loss for TCU. Missed opportunity in my opinion...

(04-29-2017 10:40 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 06:54 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm just not seeing this as a big TV winner.

It will do well, but Dallas isn't TCU town.
Dallas is:
Cowboys





UT
Arky
AtM


TCU





SMU

Not quite.

DFW is:
Cowboys





Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Arkansas




Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Oklahoma State


North Texas
SMU
Everyone else

(04-30-2017 06:22 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 10:40 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 06:54 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm just not seeing this as a big TV winner.

It will do well, but Dallas isn't TCU town.
Dallas is:
Cowboys





UT
Arky
AtM


TCU





SMU

Not quite.

DFW is:
Cowboys





Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Arkansas




Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Oklahoma State


North Texas
SMU
Everyone else

Yes, the Cowboys are the 800 pound gorilla. Nothing there comes close.

The New York Times Facebook "likes" map from 2014 shows a gray splotch in the city of Fort Worth, where TCU has built a fan base. This is by no means scientific, but Facebook users provide enough critical mass to provide a reasonable snapshot. TCU didn't always have a sizable following in its own city. Now, it does.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014...82,-95.891

In the DFW area outside of Fort Worth proper, yes, Texas leads by a wide margin, followed by A&M and OU (or OU and A&M). I'd put Tech right up there with or ahead of Arkansas, as a ton of students at Tech come from the Metroplex, only to go right back after graduation. The rest are in a pretty good order.

(04-30-2017 06:22 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 10:40 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 06:54 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm just not seeing this as a big TV winner.

It will do well, but Dallas isn't TCU town.
Dallas is:
Cowboys





UT
Arky
AtM


TCU





SMU

Not quite.

DFW is:
Cowboys





Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Arkansas




Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Oklahoma State

I was trying to be polite to my SMU friends by not adding Tech and Baylor. Maybe that was me being a little AAC homerish too by not putting SMU behind those two. And yes, Ok St has done pretty well in Dallas over the past decade too. I won't concede the mean green over SMU in Dallas though. I just won't.

North Texas
SMU
Everyone else