(04-26-2017 08:43 AM)cleveland Wrote:  Here's the deal ... Basketball is stuck until the commissioner/presidents/ADs figure out a way to use their FB money for basketball.

The reason (my opinion) MAC Football remains I-A is because the P-5 conferences PAY THE MAC (and others) to stay there.

ESPN - PAYS the MAC -- primarily for football. Cry all you want about mid-week November football, 1.2-million watching an empty stadium MAC game is worth more than a 15-20,000 filled stadium without TV. GET OVER IT!!!

Remember, - and this is huge, - unlike Basketball and the NCAA Tournament, the NCAA has nothing to do with the football Bowls and the Championship games much beyond certification. That $$$ goes directly to the P-5 conferences.

Those five leagues effectively have all that cash to themselves - and spread it out accordingly. The bulk of which they keep with the remaining going to the 60 or so teams (3/4 conferences - MAC) not in their ranks. This is generally speaking.

This money actually pays for all those MAC teams (five or six most years) to go to those bogus bowl games where teams actually lose money ... it pays to keep the teams that don't go to bowl games in the pink, instead of in the bloody red.

It will never happen ... but the MAC (Commissioner/Presidents/ADs) could do themselves a big favor by becoming a 'three bowl' league, tops, considering no more than three teams really deserve to go anyway, then push the rest of that $$$ to basketball.

Instead of rewarding basketball teams for playing 15 or so home games every year against Peter, Paul and Mary, reward teams for winning seven or more non-conference road games - with extra for a P-5 win.

This can come from the FB money. It's a start. And would certainly love to read other suggestions. DROPPING DOWN TO I-AA is not an option because the P-5 teams do not give $$$ to I-AA teams.

So what do you say.

I, for one, agree with you on the three bowl game idea. I agree that ALL the FBS Conferences should reduce their bowl game allotments. Teams that are 5-7, even many 6-6 teams should not go. These games used to mean something. I believe bowl game viewership will continue to reduce as the CFP continues. Keep some of the historic games, and let the others go. No need for DFW to have 3-4 bowl games or even for San Diego to have two. Make the games and the destinations meaningful again.

As for 3 bowl games, it all depends on where your program is at. For Eastern Michigan and Miami, getting to play in a bowl game last year was big. Both teams have been pretty terrible for awhile, it was a big boost. Now for teams who have been solid for quite awhile and go bowling most every year, going bowling after a 7-5/6-6 season probably does not bring much excitement or feeling of accomplishment.

That bowl bid for Miami gave us a chance to play in sunny Florida vs an SEC team and we could have/should have won. That was the first time in many years that we looked like we belonged on the field and had a great chance to win vs a solid P5 program, and it was something to build on for the future

(04-30-2017 12:51 PM)PK_UToledo Wrote:  I, for one, agree with you on the three bowl game idea. I agree that ALL the FBS Conferences should reduce their bowl game allotments. Teams that are 5-7, even many 6-6 teams should not go. These games used to mean something.

But that is a different thing from just the MAC turning them down. If a conference is allowed to make a primary bowl agreement with bowls equal to the average number of 7+ winning schools in the past five years, and a bowl needs two primary agreements, that would narrow down the number of bowls a good bit, and the remaining bowls would "mean more", if only because people looking for post-season football would have fewer viewing choices.

But the average "value" of a bowl being raised in that way requires it to be a FBS-wide rule. A single conference does not gain by just going it alone ... the benefit of whatever modest impact they have on the average value of bowls is spread among all FBS conferences, and they carry the whole sacrifice in post-season exposure.

(04-28-2017 10:19 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  i always tought b-8 & SWC merged for tv markets
there were neguations involved
what i'm missing

Quality use of grammar, punctuation and sentence structure would be a good start.

(04-29-2017 06:42 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 12:43 AM)pono Wrote:  If you are saying the exposure of national tv is worth the loss of saturday football community traditions, that's another argument. I would argue it isn't since most MAC schools have struggled to maintain enrollment numbers in the era of national tv exposure.

Great Lakes demographics are the reason that most MAC schools have struggled with enrolments ... it doesn't help that so much of the MAC is in Ohio, and the strongest growing region in Ohio is Central Ohio, without any MAC schools actually inside of the area.

Except for Ohio which has a branch campus, medical school and research park all within 10 miles of downtown Columbus.

(04-30-2017 11:18 PM)DICK Wrote:  As for 3 bowl games, it all depends on where your program is at. For Eastern Michigan and Miami, getting to play in a bowl game last year was big. Both teams have been pretty terrible for awhile, it was a big boost. Now for teams who have been solid for quite awhile and go bowling most every year, going bowling after a 7-5/6-6 season probably does not bring much excitement or feeling of accomplishment.

That bowl bid for Miami gave us a chance to play in sunny Florida vs an SEC team and we could have/should have won. That was the first time in many years that we looked like we belonged on the field and had a great chance to win vs a solid P5 program, and it was something to build on for the future

I'd say about 5 bowls are about right for the MAC.

There are years where the MAC doesn't have 5 good teams in it but their are years when it does.

The MAC is unfortunately at the mercy of what the AAC, CUSA and SBC put together since its not located in a climate for bowl games. Fortunately there should be some improvement as nobody in the G5 is happy with what they have right now.

I've said the G5 should pool resources into some higher profile games against P5 competition for its champions. It could be within the CFP system or outside of it. It can be with ESPN or without. There are enough schools in the G5 to put something nicer than what they have together.

(05-02-2017 06:25 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I'd say about 5 bowls are about right for the MAC.

There are years where the MAC doesn't have 5 good teams in it but their are years when it does.

It would be nice if there were bowl commitments for the 2nd and 3rd highest ranked Go5 champions against P5 schools.

(05-02-2017 06:01 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 06:42 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 12:43 AM)pono Wrote:  If you are saying the exposure of national tv is worth the loss of saturday football community traditions, that's another argument. I would argue it isn't since most MAC schools have struggled to maintain enrollment numbers in the era of national tv exposure.

Great Lakes demographics are the reason that most MAC schools have struggled with enrolments ... it doesn't help that so much of the MAC is in Ohio, and the strongest growing region in Ohio is Central Ohio, without any MAC schools actually inside of the area.

Except for Ohio which has a branch campus, medical school and research park all within 10 miles of downtown Columbus.

I wasn't counting branches or extensions.

Where is the research park? The branch campus & extension of the Athen-based Medical School pop up quickly in a search, but not any research park.

(05-06-2017 05:46 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 06:25 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I'd say about 5 bowls are about right for the MAC.

There are years where the MAC doesn't have 5 good teams in it but their are years when it does.

It would be nice if there were bowl commitments for the 2nd and 3rd highest ranked Go5 champions against P5 schools.

(05-02-2017 06:01 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 06:42 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 12:43 AM)pono Wrote:  If you are saying the exposure of national tv is worth the loss of saturday football community traditions, that's another argument. I would argue it isn't since most MAC schools have struggled to maintain enrollment numbers in the era of national tv exposure.

Great Lakes demographics are the reason that most MAC schools have struggled with enrolments ... it doesn't help that so much of the MAC is in Ohio, and the strongest growing region in Ohio is Central Ohio, without any MAC schools actually inside of the area.

Except for Ohio which has a branch campus, medical school and research park all within 10 miles of downtown Columbus.

I wasn't counting branches or extensions.

Where is the research park? The branch campus & extension of the Athen-based Medical School pop up quickly in a search, but not any research park.

Besides if we are going to count branches then we would have to include things like KSU's library school branch in Columbus and I don't think that really counts for this purpose.

Quote:For Dublin, the OU campus can be the core of the “West Innovation District” on 1,000 acres west of Route 33. It “will serve as an anchor for the district, as well as the city as a whole,” said Dublin planning director Vince Papsidero. “Their vision will create a 24/7 academic place that will attract students, researchers and residents.”

City officials have visited and studied other prominent research districts, including North Carolina’s Research Triangle Park, for ideas, but they favor a more urban, walkable community rather than a grassy campus of large buildings.

University officials are emphatic that OU’s Dublin presence isn’t meant to supplant the Athens campus or compete with other universities, including Ohio State. Except for the medical school, programs offered in Athens won’t be replicated in Dublin, and the university wants to offer programs that don’t exist in central Ohio or are in short supply.

“We saw this as an opportunity to do something innovative to benefit central Ohio,” said Stephen Golding, vice president for finance for the university and CEO of the Dublin campus. “We didn’t see a benefit to coming up here and trying to be another Ohio State.”

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/...llite.html

The research park in Dublin is called the West Innovation District.

Quote:F our decades after Dublin earmarked some rural land west of Route 33 for a research-and-development park, groundwork has been laid for what the city hopes will become one of Central Ohio's most technologically advanced commercial districts.

The West Innovation District's 1,100 acres of shovel-ready greenfield is populated by anchor Ohio University and its growing medical campus - influenced by the nearby Dublin Methodist Hospital - along with Swedish food and beverage giant Nestle S.A. and computer software and hardware developer Command Alkon.

The city has tentatively landed a $1.1 billion Amazon.com Inc. data center, while a 150,000-square-foot Costco Wholesale Corp. store is planned in bordering Jerome Township.

Modeled after North Carolina's famed Research Triangle, a cluster of universities, big corporations and innovative startups and business incubators, Dublin's burgeoning district has decades of growth ahead of it, but pieces are falling into place.

"We're starting to see those anchor tenants come to fruition. It's heavy in the health arena, information technology and R&D, so it's a great start," Dublin City Manager Dana McDaniel said. "I would say it's probably only 25 percent built out so we have a lot of capacity out there."

http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/prin...ation.html

Ohio had to step into the Columbus market because OSU is not meeting the basic economic needs of the state.

All OSU cares about is milking tuition off kids from New Jersey while they spend 1.5 years at the Horseshoe watching football.

Ohio's new med school is 5 miles from the horseshoe.

Quote:Founded by Fritz J. and Dolores H. Russ, namesakes of the Russ College of Engineering and Technology at Ohio University, the Russ Research Center is a 60-acre high-tech research park in Dayton, Ohio, that is home to some of the area’s leading defense, engineering, and technology firms. The campus grew out of the­­ Russes’­ own company, Systems Research Laboratory (SRL), which they established on the Russ Research Center site in 1955. After pouring the footers for the building's foundation themselves, they developed SRL into one of the nation's leading electronic and automation corporations. The Russes established a legacy of entrepreneurial and technological excellence, and our business campus holds true to that legacy, hosting tenants in a range of industries from aerospace to life sciences.

https://www.ohio.edu/engineering/russ-research-center/

Ohio research park in Dayton next to Wright Patterson AFB.

Then an Ohio med school in Cleveland Clinic to go with the med school in Dublin one of the wealthiest communities in Ohio.

At one time Shawnee State was a branch campus of Ohio. Ohio let it spin off and has concentrated has focused in on the high end research districts of the state over the traditional branch campus system.

Only markets Ohio isn't in at all is Cincinnati where UC is an economic generator for the community, Toledo which has UT/BGSU and Akron which has UA/Kent.

Dayton, Columbus and Cleveland have been underserved IMO.

(05-06-2017 05:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Ohio had to step into the Columbus market because OSU is not meeting the basic economic needs of the state.

LOL. This is the ridiculous statement ever...............

Quote:Ohio's new med school is 5 miles from the horseshoe.

And takes 20 minutes and (18 MILES) on a good day to get to. If you really think that school is in the middle of anything except farm fields and a Costco, you're looking at the wrong building.

(05-06-2017 06:23 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Ohio research park in Dayton next to Wright Patterson AFB.

So of the three things you mentioned as OhioU sites in Central Ohio, it adds up to one branch campus in Central Ohio and one research park not in Central Ohio?