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RE: JMU and cost of attendence
Agree with most of the above. I firmly believe that the sports program should serve the school and not the other way around. But letting in top players in basketball DOES serve the school as a whole best. A winning basketball program moves the needle and generates revenue and free advertising, and as long as these kids are given any support they need to succeed in life, it's a win win all around. I fail to see any benefits to rejecting top players that want to come here over academics - letting them in doesn't hurt students and it doesn't hurt WM's academics as a whole.
05-12-2017 08:54 AM
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(05-12-2017 08:54 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  Agree with most of the above. I firmly believe that the sports program should serve the school and not the other way around. But letting in top players in basketball DOES serve the school as a whole best. A winning basketball program moves the needle and generates revenue and free advertising, and as long as these kids are given any support they need to succeed in life, it's a win win all around. I fail to see any benefits to rejecting top players that want to come here over academics - letting them in doesn't hurt students and it doesn't hurt WM's academics as a whole.

Genuine question: Do we know of any instances where we had an all-star recruit that wanted to come to W&M and he wasn't able to get in? Or is it more of a constraint on who we recruit?
05-12-2017 09:11 AM
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How about we build a multi-sports practice facility and renovate Kaplan first?
05-12-2017 10:09 AM
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(05-12-2017 09:11 AM)tribetime10 Wrote:  
(05-12-2017 08:54 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  Agree with most of the above. I firmly believe that the sports program should serve the school and not the other way around. But letting in top players in basketball DOES serve the school as a whole best. A winning basketball program moves the needle and generates revenue and free advertising, and as long as these kids are given any support they need to succeed in life, it's a win win all around. I fail to see any benefits to rejecting top players that want to come here over academics - letting them in doesn't hurt students and it doesn't hurt WM's academics as a whole.

Genuine question: Do we know of any instances where we had an all-star recruit that wanted to come to W&M and he wasn't able to get in? Or is it more of a constraint on who we recruit?

Not an all-star but this happened to Deron Powers right?
05-12-2017 11:10 AM
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(05-12-2017 10:09 AM)tribeintexas Wrote:  How about we build a multi-sports practice facility and renovate Kaplan first?

TinT, I don't think it's an either/or situation.

We have to decide (alumni, faculty, & administration) if a more prominent basketball program (Men's & Women's) is a help or hinderance to the overall goal of William & Mary reaching more qualified students across the country.

If the answer is Yes, then we need to work on both aspects, better facilities and looking at the process of a slightly altering the current admissions policy. The fact is, we aren't discussing going to prisons and recruiting from there. We are suggesting that if a kid's coach says "this guy may not have the SAT's, but is a hard worker and is willing to pay the price needed for a W&M education", then let's be able to have our coaches give him a serious look.

Even Harvard has come round to the belief that a competitive athletic program in basketball is worth the effort, for the rewards of reaching a section of potential students they had not been in touch with...and their academic reputation has not been affected at all (they were #1 rated in most/all lists before, they're still #1.)

This is not a deal-breaker for W&M. We are going to be considered one of the best Public Universities in the nation, either way. What it will make a difference in is are we going to try to keep up with the Jones athletically and use that to our advantage to catch the attention of potential students, or are we just going to continue as we have and remain that "Catholic Girl's School back East..." to a majority of the country.

The recent and current hunt for players should have been a definite eye-opener for us. A lot of players decided that there were places better than W&M to spend their next four years. We need to find a way to change that.
05-12-2017 11:19 AM
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This is all that I can think about now...

(05-12-2017 11:19 AM)billymac Wrote:  or are we just going to continue as we have and remain that "Catholic Girl's School back East..." to a majority of the country.



05-12-2017 11:37 AM
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(05-12-2017 11:19 AM)billymac Wrote:  The recent and current hunt for players should have been a definite eye-opener for us. A lot of players decided that there were places better than W&M to spend their next four years. We need to find a way to change that.

While I agree with most of your points, I believe the current 2017 recruiting drought has more to do with competing with schools that have been targeting & recruiting these kids for a long time. Unless you are an established major, it's hard to swoop in at the last minute to whoo a kid and undermine relationships built out over a year or two. I like that the coaches aren't just settling for filling the open scholarship. They seem to still be pushing for guys that they feel can contribute and push the program forward. Filling the spot with a borderline CAA level player would be more troubling.
05-12-2017 12:00 PM
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Agree...they are looking for quality, not just lower level players a la the infamous Chris Darnell.
05-12-2017 06:20 PM
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Wm and Mary is not going to change much of anything. Ms Hugy is evidence of that. The VA school that is changing, at warp speed, is LU. They have embraced the future. Wm and Mary looks dumbfounded.
05-13-2017 03:12 PM
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(05-13-2017 03:12 PM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  Wm and Mary is not going to change much of anything. Ms Hugy is evidence of that. The VA school that is changing, at warp speed, is LU. They have embraced the future. Wm and Mary looks dumbfounded.


Goes against the prevailing thought that a school founded by Falwell would be forward thinking, at least on some things.
05-13-2017 03:37 PM
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