Baylor, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech, West Virginia to the SEC/ACC ESPN group.

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State to the PAC/B1G FOX group.

In other words all of the old SWC and West Virginia to ESPN and all of the old Big 8 to FOX.

(04-24-2017 07:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Baylor, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech, West Virginia to the SEC/ACC ESPN group.

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State to the PAC/B1G FOX group.

In other words all of the old SWC and West Virginia to ESPN and all of the old Big 8 to FOX.

FOX wins big there. They lose out on Texas but get OK in football, Kansas in basketball and several other plus parts:

Iowa State - great fan base, decent TV school
oK state: competitive in both basketball and football most seasons
Kansas state: same

Espn has to deal with Baylor. They get a decent brand in West Virginia, can dominate Texas, but not much content overall.

Doesn't add much revenue considering Texas A&M get us the prime SECN rate in Texas. Texas would be a content multiplier. WVU would hold their own, the rest not so much.

Besides KU and ISU, that group doesn't meet the AAU requirement the B1G seems to have.

I can't imagine either conference happy with that cluster. Would seem like pay cuts for existing members to expand with.

Keeps FOX away from the 27 million folks in Texas.
FOX picks up a population of 7 million.

Football tradition (sans Oklahoma) vs. Basketball tradition (that does not come close to the tradition of ESPN's ACC).

Long term........a winner!

(04-24-2017 09:05 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 07:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Baylor, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech, West Virginia to the SEC/ACC ESPN group.

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State to the PAC/B1G FOX group.

In other words all of the old SWC and West Virginia to ESPN and all of the old Big 8 to FOX.

FOX wins big there. They lose out on Texas but get OK in football, Kansas in basketball and several other plus parts:

Iowa State - great fan base, decent TV school
oK state: competitive in both basketball and football most seasons
Kansas state: same

Espn has to deal with Baylor. They get a decent brand in West Virginia, can dominate Texas, but not much content overall.

The issue here is that the PAC and Big 10 are content deficient. The SEC is not in football at all. It's a rumor, but we'll see. On the one hand it makes sense because Texas wasn't going to leave their home boys out, and ESPN wants the SECN to succeed in Mexico. But what the heck, I agree with your analysis, however, we add the most total gross revenue and the larger more passionate fan bases T.C.U. excepted and to a lesser degree Baylor.

(04-24-2017 09:06 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Doesn't add much revenue considering Texas A&M get us the prime SECN rate in Texas. Texas would be a content multiplier. WVU would hold their own, the rest not so much.

Besides KU and ISU, that group doesn't meet the AAU requirement the B1G seems to have.

I can't imagine either conference happy with that cluster. Would seem like pay cuts for existing members to expand with.

If ESPN guarantees the pay what the heck? Nobody was going to be happy with anything other than Texas and Oklahoma anyway. Kansas averaged 24 thousand attendance in football last year. That would be a catastrophe for the SEC. Besides this is step one of a process that could one day become 1 league.

Football passion wise it works. As content the new Mexican telecasts would tune in to watch it works. Market wise it doesn't, but the markets are giving way to content and it is gate and travel crowds that put us way up on the Big 10. We win there as well. But who knows? At least the area, other than Lubbock, is compact.

(04-24-2017 09:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 09:06 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Doesn't add much revenue considering Texas A&M get us the prime SECN rate in Texas. Texas would be a content multiplier. WVU would hold their own, the rest not so much.

Besides KU and ISU, that group doesn't meet the AAU requirement the B1G seems to have.

I can't imagine either conference happy with that cluster. Would seem like pay cuts for existing members to expand with.

If ESPN guarantees the pay what the heck? Nobody was going to be happy with anything other than Texas and Oklahoma anyway. Kansas averaged 24 thousand attendance in football last year. That would be a catastrophe for the SEC. Besides this is step one of a process that could one day become 1 league.

Football passion wise it works. As content the new Mexican telecasts would tune in to watch it works. Market wise it doesn't, but the markets are giving way to content and it is gate and travel crowds that put us way up on the Big 10. We win there as well. But who knows? At least the area, other than Lubbock, is compact.

Realistically Texas is worth about 4 Oklahomas. And if you only had the choice of one it would be the Longhorns every time.

(04-25-2017 09:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 09:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 09:06 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Doesn't add much revenue considering Texas A&M get us the prime SECN rate in Texas. Texas would be a content multiplier. WVU would hold their own, the rest not so much.

Besides KU and ISU, that group doesn't meet the AAU requirement the B1G seems to have.

I can't imagine either conference happy with that cluster. Would seem like pay cuts for existing members to expand with.

If ESPN guarantees the pay what the heck? Nobody was going to be happy with anything other than Texas and Oklahoma anyway. Kansas averaged 24 thousand attendance in football last year. That would be a catastrophe for the SEC. Besides this is step one of a process that could one day become 1 league.

Football passion wise it works. As content the new Mexican telecasts would tune in to watch it works. Market wise it doesn't, but the markets are giving way to content and it is gate and travel crowds that put us way up on the Big 10. We win there as well. But who knows? At least the area, other than Lubbock, is compact.

Realistically Texas is worth about 4 Oklahomas. And if you only had the choice of one it would be the Longhorns every time.

Texas will create four times the trouble too. Be careful what you ask for. Being in the ACC you would not understand. We who have survived Texas do understand their issues. Not what anyone wants. Texas needs to be Indy.

(04-29-2017 10:42 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 09:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 09:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 09:06 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Doesn't add much revenue considering Texas A&M get us the prime SECN rate in Texas. Texas would be a content multiplier. WVU would hold their own, the rest not so much.

Besides KU and ISU, that group doesn't meet the AAU requirement the B1G seems to have.

I can't imagine either conference happy with that cluster. Would seem like pay cuts for existing members to expand with.

If ESPN guarantees the pay what the heck? Nobody was going to be happy with anything other than Texas and Oklahoma anyway. Kansas averaged 24 thousand attendance in football last year. That would be a catastrophe for the SEC. Besides this is step one of a process that could one day become 1 league.

Football passion wise it works. As content the new Mexican telecasts would tune in to watch it works. Market wise it doesn't, but the markets are giving way to content and it is gate and travel crowds that put us way up on the Big 10. We win there as well. But who knows? At least the area, other than Lubbock, is compact.

Realistically Texas is worth about 4 Oklahomas. And if you only had the choice of one it would be the Longhorns every time.

Texas will create four times the trouble too. Be careful what you ask for. Being in the ACC you would not understand. We who have survived Texas do understand their issues. Not what anyone wants. Texas needs to be Indy.

Texas most likely will be what ESPN wants them to be. That is the hand that presently feeds the Cow better than any other and that hand has a contract that isn't up until 2031.

(04-29-2017 10:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 10:42 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 09:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 09:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 09:06 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Doesn't add much revenue considering Texas A&M get us the prime SECN rate in Texas. Texas would be a content multiplier. WVU would hold their own, the rest not so much.

Besides KU and ISU, that group doesn't meet the AAU requirement the B1G seems to have.

I can't imagine either conference happy with that cluster. Would seem like pay cuts for existing members to expand with.

If ESPN guarantees the pay what the heck? Nobody was going to be happy with anything other than Texas and Oklahoma anyway. Kansas averaged 24 thousand attendance in football last year. That would be a catastrophe for the SEC. Besides this is step one of a process that could one day become 1 league.

Football passion wise it works. As content the new Mexican telecasts would tune in to watch it works. Market wise it doesn't, but the markets are giving way to content and it is gate and travel crowds that put us way up on the Big 10. We win there as well. But who knows? At least the area, other than Lubbock, is compact.

Realistically Texas is worth about 4 Oklahomas. And if you only had the choice of one it would be the Longhorns every time.

Texas will create four times the trouble too. Be careful what you ask for. Being in the ACC you would not understand. We who have survived Texas do understand their issues. Not what anyone wants. Texas needs to be Indy.

Texas most likely will be what ESPN wants them to be. That is the hand that presently feeds the Cow better than any other and that hand has a contract that isn't up until 2031.

No way could Texas control the SEC like they have their previous conferences. Even if they do convince their western division to split from the SEC in the future, the SEC would still have a strong core & would simply return to their original southeastern base. Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee & Georgia aren't going anywhere. LSU would have a tough decision to make.

(04-30-2017 09:27 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 10:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 10:42 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 09:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 09:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If ESPN guarantees the pay what the heck? Nobody was going to be happy with anything other than Texas and Oklahoma anyway. Kansas averaged 24 thousand attendance in football last year. That would be a catastrophe for the SEC. Besides this is step one of a process that could one day become 1 league.

Football passion wise it works. As content the new Mexican telecasts would tune in to watch it works. Market wise it doesn't, but the markets are giving way to content and it is gate and travel crowds that put us way up on the Big 10. We win there as well. But who knows? At least the area, other than Lubbock, is compact.

Realistically Texas is worth about 4 Oklahomas. And if you only had the choice of one it would be the Longhorns every time.

Texas will create four times the trouble too. Be careful what you ask for. Being in the ACC you would not understand. We who have survived Texas do understand their issues. Not what anyone wants. Texas needs to be Indy.

Texas most likely will be what ESPN wants them to be. That is the hand that presently feeds the Cow better than any other and that hand has a contract that isn't up until 2031.

No way could Texas control the SEC like they have their previous conferences. Even if they do convince their western division to split from the SEC in the future, the SEC would still have a strong core & would simply return to their original southeastern base. Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee & Georgia aren't going anywhere. LSU would have a tough decision to make.

It has long been thought that there is a GOR associated with the SEC network but which is held by ESPN. The conference by itself does not have one, nor does it have an exit fee. I would think that the only two modern era schools who chose to exercise that clause have deeply regretted it, Georgia Tech and Tulane.

I also have a suspicion that if Texas had a division of all of its buddies, that they would finally realize how very nice it is not to have to enforce politics and control, but merely enjoy a conference office that pays them more in revenue than they ever have received in a conference, and which basically leaves virtually all of its internal decisions to them. Yes, the SEC helps orchestrate bowl placement, but then that hasn't been a problem for Texas at all these past few years.

The quickest way to end it now would be for ESPN to finance:
SEC: OU, TT, TCU, ISU, WVU & Cincy
ACC: Texas, KU, KSU, OSU, Baylor & Houston