Link: http://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2017/4/2...w-harrison

He's a rookie. He's doing some good things, but will make mistakes. Maybe we should just take a step back before we write him completely off. There's potential there...

Agree

He can't guard and he can't shoot. He made the one big play in Game 4, which was all hustle. No one ever said he doesn't hustle. He gives it everything he has. I just don't think his everything is enough to be anything more than the last man on the bench.

(04-24-2017 11:57 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  He can't guard and he can't shoot. He made the one big play in Game 4, which was all hustle. No one ever said he doesn't hustle. He gives it everything he has. I just don't think his everything is enough to be anything more than the last man on the bench.

He can guard...he had trouble with Parker but in general, he has been know as a good defender throughout the season.

The optimistic part is he had 1 turnover in Game 3 and none in Game 4. We cannot give up on our rookies. For a rookie on a big stage, he has performed adequately.

(04-24-2017 12:03 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 11:57 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  He can't guard and he can't shoot. He made the one big play in Game 4, which was all hustle. No one ever said he doesn't hustle. He gives it everything he has. I just don't think his everything is enough to be anything more than the last man on the bench.

He can guard...he had trouble with Parker but in general, he has been know as a good defender throughout the season.

The optimistic part is he had 1 turnover in Game 3 and none in Game 4. We cannot give up on our rookies. For a rookie on a big stage, he has performed adequately.

Agreed. Throughout the year, his defense has been his primary area of note. I don't really see massive potential in the guy, but I'd love for him to prove me wrong. The two free throws at the end were clutch

(04-24-2017 12:08 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 12:03 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 11:57 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  He can't guard and he can't shoot. He made the one big play in Game 4, which was all hustle. No one ever said he doesn't hustle. He gives it everything he has. I just don't think his everything is enough to be anything more than the last man on the bench.

He can guard...he had trouble with Parker but in general, he has been know as a good defender throughout the season.

The optimistic part is he had 1 turnover in Game 3 and none in Game 4. We cannot give up on our rookies. For a rookie on a big stage, he has performed adequately.

Agreed. Throughout the year, his defense has been his primary area of note. I don't really see massive potential in the guy, but I'd love for him to prove me wrong. The two free throws at the end were clutch

I forgot about the FTs. Those were definitely clutch. I'm not trying to hate on Andrew Harrison. He seems like a good guy and he hustles. It's hard to knock someone who hustles and gives it everything they have and doesn't complain.

(04-24-2017 11:57 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  He can't guard and he can't shoot. He made the one big play in Game 4, which was all hustle. No one ever said he doesn't hustle. He gives it everything he has. I just don't think his everything is enough to be anything more than the last man on the bench.

Timin the only reason Harrison plays is because of his defense. He shot 27% from 3 with an 8.7 PER this season, so his offense is not what gets him minutes. A bonus is that since Andrew is 6'6", he can can multiple positions.

Fizz ain't playing rookies unless they defend. And Fizz has been playing Andrew with Mike a lot since Andrew's last call-up from Iowa. And puts Andrew on the better scoring guard to give Mike some rest on D.

(04-24-2017 12:20 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 11:57 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  He can't guard and he can't shoot. He made the one big play in Game 4, which was all hustle. No one ever said he doesn't hustle. He gives it everything he has. I just don't think his everything is enough to be anything more than the last man on the bench.

Timin the only reason Harrison plays is because of his defense. He shot 27% from 3 with an 8.7 PER this season, so his offense is not what gets him minutes. A bonus is that since Andrew is 6'6", he can can multiple positions.

Fizz ain't playing rookies unless they defend. And Fizz has been playing Andrew with Mike a lot since Andrew's last call-up from Iowa. And puts Andrew on the better scoring guard to give Mike some rest on D.

I'll be completely transparent: I haven't seen a ton of Grizzlies games this year. I've seen Harrison in the playoffs, and I saw him in games against Boston and Oklahoma City (at least those are the games I can remember). Granted, all those teams have some of the best guards in the league. But I've seen him get torched on D in those games.

It's a small sample size. Maybe he's played well overall. I'd have to see more of him to know.

Interesting to see if they bring him back next year or try to upgrade the backup PG position.

I think they stick with Andrew and Wade next year. Have Andrew on a cheap contract, and the FO is still very high on Wade. If you have 3 max players, then you have to get some production from players on cheap contracts.

Won't have a lot of money to spend, but I think it goes to upgrading the 2 guard. Have some trade chips with Brandan Wright, Troy and Ennis on cheap contracts. And Jarell could be available if they re-sign JMike.

(04-24-2017 12:52 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I think they stick with Andrew and Wade next year. Have Andrew on a cheap contract, and the FO is still very high on Wade. If you have 3 max players, then you have to get some production from players on cheap contracts.

Won't have a lot of money to spend, but I think it goes to upgrading the 2 guard. Have some trade chips with Brandan Wright, Troy and Ennis on cheap contracts. And Jarell could be available if they don't re-sign JMike.

I think Ennis will be back. We've got another year of him on a good contract, and his value far exceeds what we pay him. He's starting for us, and is the type of player that thrives in Memphis. I also think Harrison and Baldwin will be back.

It will be interesting to see what direction we go with our backcourt, though. We have so many players there (Mike, Tony, Ennis, Harrison, Troy Daniels, Wayne Selden, Toney Douglas, Wade Baldwin, VC, Chandler). I anticipate it will look a lot different next year.

The PF position will also be interesting. I'm assuming we'll need to choose between Zach and Jamychal. Given their ages, that will be a tougher call than it seems. I'd hate to see Zach playing for someone other than Memphis, though.

(04-24-2017 12:03 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 11:57 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  He can't guard and he can't shoot. He made the one big play in Game 4, which was all hustle. No one ever said he doesn't hustle. He gives it everything he has. I just don't think his everything is enough to be anything more than the last man on the bench.

He can guard...he had trouble with Parker but in general, he has been know as a good defender throughout the season.

The optimistic part is he had 1 turnover in Game 3 and none in Game 4. We cannot give up on our rookies. For a rookie on a big stage, he has performed adequately.

Yup.

Andrew Harrison has the 3rd best Real Defensive Plus Minus (RDPM) of all rookie PGs. Fred Van Vleet and David Nwaba are the only 2 ahead of him and both of them has signifcantly less usage. Harrison has played 15 more games than both of them combined.

No one is saying he is without flaw...but he's a 2nd Round rookie. Flaws are to be expected. BUT he defends fairly well, he plays hard/hustles, he's young, and he can handle the ball under pressure...has really taken care of the ball lately.

Given that we don't have much young talent or draft picks, it's essential that some of the young talent on this team carve out roles. He is on his way to carving out a role as a serviceable backup PG.

(04-24-2017 03:32 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 12:03 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 11:57 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  He can't guard and he can't shoot. He made the one big play in Game 4, which was all hustle. No one ever said he doesn't hustle. He gives it everything he has. I just don't think his everything is enough to be anything more than the last man on the bench.

He can guard...he had trouble with Parker but in general, he has been know as a good defender throughout the season.

The optimistic part is he had 1 turnover in Game 3 and none in Game 4. We cannot give up on our rookies. For a rookie on a big stage, he has performed adequately.

Yup.

Andrew Harrison has the 3rd best Real Defensive Plus Minus (RDPM) of all rookie PGs. Fred Van Vleet and David Nwaba are the only 2 ahead of him and both of them has signifcantly less usage. Harrison has played 15 more games than both of them combined.

No one is saying he is without flaw...but he's a 2nd Round rookie. Flaws are to be expected. BUT he defends fairly well, he plays hard/hustles, he's young, and he can handle the ball under pressure...has really taken care of the ball lately.

Given that we don't have much young talent or draft picks, it's essential that some of the young talent on this team carve out roles. He is on his way to carving out a role as a serviceable backup PG.

3rd best RDPM among rookie PG's ...

My cousin was second runner up at the fat girl's pageant, I'm not sure that makes her attractive though ....

(04-24-2017 08:13 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 03:32 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 12:03 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 11:57 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  He can't guard and he can't shoot. He made the one big play in Game 4, which was all hustle. No one ever said he doesn't hustle. He gives it everything he has. I just don't think his everything is enough to be anything more than the last man on the bench.

He can guard...he had trouble with Parker but in general, he has been know as a good defender throughout the season.

The optimistic part is he had 1 turnover in Game 3 and none in Game 4. We cannot give up on our rookies. For a rookie on a big stage, he has performed adequately.

Yup.

Andrew Harrison has the 3rd best Real Defensive Plus Minus (RDPM) of all rookie PGs. Fred Van Vleet and David Nwaba are the only 2 ahead of him and both of them has signifcantly less usage. Harrison has played 15 more games than both of them combined.

No one is saying he is without flaw...but he's a 2nd Round rookie. Flaws are to be expected. BUT he defends fairly well, he plays hard/hustles, he's young, and he can handle the ball under pressure...has really taken care of the ball lately.

Given that we don't have much young talent or draft picks, it's essential that some of the young talent on this team carve out roles. He is on his way to carving out a role as a serviceable backup PG.

3rd best RDPM among rookie PG's ...

My cousin was second runner up at the fat girl's pageant, I'm not sure that makes her attractive though ....

When you take into account his usage, he's probably the best defensive rookie PG. He's a 2nd round pick ... the fact that he is creating a niche for himself already is a good sign

(04-25-2017 11:04 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 08:13 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 03:32 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 12:03 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 11:57 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  He can't guard and he can't shoot. He made the one big play in Game 4, which was all hustle. No one ever said he doesn't hustle. He gives it everything he has. I just don't think his everything is enough to be anything more than the last man on the bench.

He can guard...he had trouble with Parker but in general, he has been know as a good defender throughout the season.

The optimistic part is he had 1 turnover in Game 3 and none in Game 4. We cannot give up on our rookies. For a rookie on a big stage, he has performed adequately.

Yup.

Andrew Harrison has the 3rd best Real Defensive Plus Minus (RDPM) of all rookie PGs. Fred Van Vleet and David Nwaba are the only 2 ahead of him and both of them has signifcantly less usage. Harrison has played 15 more games than both of them combined.

No one is saying he is without flaw...but he's a 2nd Round rookie. Flaws are to be expected. BUT he defends fairly well, he plays hard/hustles, he's young, and he can handle the ball under pressure...has really taken care of the ball lately.

Given that we don't have much young talent or draft picks, it's essential that some of the young talent on this team carve out roles. He is on his way to carving out a role as a serviceable backup PG.

3rd best RDPM among rookie PG's ...

My cousin was second runner up at the fat girl's pageant, I'm not sure that makes her attractive though ....

When you take into account his usage, he's probably the best defensive rookie PG. He's a 2nd round pick ... the fact that he is creating a niche for himself already is a good sign

He's a rookie with a year of playing in NBDL also, so not exactly like a real rookie

He's ok, he has a lot of deficiencies, shooting and offense most notably.

Don't know if you noticed how much the spurs would pressure him when he was primary ballhandler with Conley out and how much it disrupted our offense and we couldn't get into sets or get good shots. That's a problem

Tonight was more of the bad and ugly. The Spurs will do that to ya...