(05-23-2017 07:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 06:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 08:19 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:13 PM)sctvman Wrote:  The Miami Beach Bowl is going away from Marlins Park, per @McMurphyESPN. It is likely headed to Frisco, TX.

https://twitter.com/mcmurphyespn/status/...9848376320

That would make four bowls in the DFW Metroplex, plus the FCS championship game:
Cotton - Arlington
Armed Forces - Fort Worth
Heart of Dallas - Dallas
Bowl Formerly Known as Miami Beach - Frisco

DFW isn't a bad location-I spent 14 years there. Centrally located (especially for these schools), easily accessible airport, great recruiting. The weather in December can be iffy, as it might be 60 degrees on game day, or there may be an ice storm. You don't go there for the weather.

Frisco turned from a small town to a suburb overnight, as it tends to happen in North Texas. It grew from a population of 6,000 in 1990 to 33,000 in 2000 to 160,000 today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisco,_Texas There are plenty of hotels and restaurants. The Rangers' AA farm club plays in a great ballpark next to the Dallas Stars practice facility. In addition, the Cowboys just opened their new practice facility there, The Star, complete with indoor stadium used by high schools. Frisco is not on the list of Top 10 vacation destinations, but it's fine for a lower-level bowl.

The FCS championship has done well there, especially when NDSU is in it with its horde of traveling fans. Toyota Stadium is fine for what this is. If ESPN wants to put on this game, and it's not going to be in Miami, why not Frisco? There are worse places.

Actually the average high for Dallas in December is about 60. (Actually 58). So it's just as likely to be 80 as it is to have an ice storm. There are only one or 2 freezing precipitation events per year so the chances of it happening on bowl day are very small...maybe a 1-2 percent chance or less. I have lived in North Texas before and have spent 20 years studying Texas weather patterns and most bowl games you'll be looking at a range of 48 or 50 on the low side to the 70s on a mild day. Being in the 30s in the middle of the day would be rare. Not unheard of but rare.

I think the point was, the weather in Dallas around New Year's is unpredictable. Volatile. It can be anywhere from 80 to 40, sunny or ice storm. So you don't go their for the weather.

As for the city, Greater Dallas is obviously a major metropolis and despite its sprawling nature there's no chance of getting bored there on a 5-day bowl trip. Plenty to do in all aspects of life with a big dollop of Texas culture.

The thing is, at that time of year, it's inferior to Miami, which has warm weather you can set your watch by, and the kind of tropical/beach entertainment people generally look for in winter. So in terms of location, it's inferior, no matter how many schools are close enough to drive there.

Besides, IMO, a bowl is supposed to be a "destination", someplace far away and exotic you have to fly to, that's part of what makes it fun for the students and alumni. It's not really a "reward" if it's around the corner. E.g., for most of the Big East/AAC, the St. Pete Bowl, despite the lousy stadium, was/is a fantastic destination because you get to go to sunny Florida when it's freezing up north. But for USF or UCF, it's like not going to a bowl at all.

So I hope that, counterintuitively, it's the USF's and UConn's that get sent to it, not the SMU's and Houston's.

Doesn't matter. Sure, ideally you want warmer weather and a great destination city---but this is a bottom level bowl that likely pits a pair of 6-6 G5 teams against one another. For those kind of bowls to be successful---it needs to be a cheap trip that's drivable for at least one (or preferably both) fan bases. You saw what can happen last year at Miami Beach when two small fan base teams were invited to a bowl over a thousand miles away. It looked like the crowd approached several dozen.

If at least one school is close enough for an easy drive, a 20K stadium will end up looking pretty full when you add in the local walk up crowd. If both schools are an easy drive away, the bowl is a quick sell out.

(05-23-2017 07:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 06:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 08:19 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:13 PM)sctvman Wrote:  The Miami Beach Bowl is going away from Marlins Park, per @McMurphyESPN. It is likely headed to Frisco, TX.

https://twitter.com/mcmurphyespn/status/...9848376320

That would make four bowls in the DFW Metroplex, plus the FCS championship game:
Cotton - Arlington
Armed Forces - Fort Worth
Heart of Dallas - Dallas
Bowl Formerly Known as Miami Beach - Frisco

DFW isn't a bad location-I spent 14 years there. Centrally located (especially for these schools), easily accessible airport, great recruiting. The weather in December can be iffy, as it might be 60 degrees on game day, or there may be an ice storm. You don't go there for the weather.

Frisco turned from a small town to a suburb overnight, as it tends to happen in North Texas. It grew from a population of 6,000 in 1990 to 33,000 in 2000 to 160,000 today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisco,_Texas There are plenty of hotels and restaurants. The Rangers' AA farm club plays in a great ballpark next to the Dallas Stars practice facility. In addition, the Cowboys just opened their new practice facility there, The Star, complete with indoor stadium used by high schools. Frisco is not on the list of Top 10 vacation destinations, but it's fine for a lower-level bowl.

The FCS championship has done well there, especially when NDSU is in it with its horde of traveling fans. Toyota Stadium is fine for what this is. If ESPN wants to put on this game, and it's not going to be in Miami, why not Frisco? There are worse places.

Actually the average high for Dallas in December is about 60. (Actually 58). So it's just as likely to be 80 as it is to have an ice storm. There are only one or 2 freezing precipitation events per year so the chances of it happening on bowl day are very small...maybe a 1-2 percent chance or less. I have lived in North Texas before and have spent 20 years studying Texas weather patterns and most bowl games you'll be looking at a range of 48 or 50 on the low side to the 70s on a mild day. Being in the 30s in the middle of the day would be rare. Not unheard of but rare.

I think the point was, the weather in Dallas around New Year's is unpredictable. Volatile. It can be anywhere from 80 to 40, sunny or ice storm. So you don't go their for the weather.

As for the city, Greater Dallas is obviously a major metropolis and despite its sprawling nature there's no chance of getting bored there on a 5-day bowl trip. Plenty to do in all aspects of life with a big dollop of Texas culture.

The thing is, at that time of year, it's inferior to Miami, which has warm weather you can set your watch by, and the kind of tropical/beach entertainment people generally look for in winter. So in terms of location, it's inferior, no matter how many schools are close enough to drive there.

Besides, IMO, a bowl is supposed to be a "destination", someplace far away and exotic you have to fly to, that's part of what makes it fun for the students and alumni. It's not really a "reward" if it's around the corner. E.g., for most of the Big East/AAC, the St. Pete Bowl, despite the lousy stadium, was/is a fantastic destination because you get to go to sunny Florida when it's freezing up north. But for USF or UCF, it's like not going to a bowl at all.

So I hope that, counterintuitively, it's the USF's and UConn's that get sent to it, not the SMU's and Houston's.

Totally agree. Dallas WX is very volatile. My only point is that the notion that this is a cold weather bowl is wrong. Can it get cold in Dallas...YES. Is it normally cold though...NO. The average in winter is 60 freaking degrees. I've seen it get in the mid to upper 80s every month of the year in the Dallas area.

For equal weather on the east coast, think South Georgia for a comparable climate. South Georgia can get cold, but usually is very tolerable in winter. Dallas is quite a bit warmer than Atlanta in winter.

(05-23-2017 07:30 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 09:15 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  I hope they keep the name:
"The Miami Beach Bowl .... in Frisco .... Texas"

Yup something for everyone! If you love Miami Beaches and the Frisco Bay then let's meet right in the middle for the game!

THAT kind of thinking is how you become a power conference!

(05-23-2017 09:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 07:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 06:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 08:19 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:13 PM)sctvman Wrote:  The Miami Beach Bowl is going away from Marlins Park, per @McMurphyESPN. It is likely headed to Frisco, TX.

https://twitter.com/mcmurphyespn/status/...9848376320

That would make four bowls in the DFW Metroplex, plus the FCS championship game:
Cotton - Arlington
Armed Forces - Fort Worth
Heart of Dallas - Dallas
Bowl Formerly Known as Miami Beach - Frisco

DFW isn't a bad location-I spent 14 years there. Centrally located (especially for these schools), easily accessible airport, great recruiting. The weather in December can be iffy, as it might be 60 degrees on game day, or there may be an ice storm. You don't go there for the weather.

Frisco turned from a small town to a suburb overnight, as it tends to happen in North Texas. It grew from a population of 6,000 in 1990 to 33,000 in 2000 to 160,000 today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisco,_Texas There are plenty of hotels and restaurants. The Rangers' AA farm club plays in a great ballpark next to the Dallas Stars practice facility. In addition, the Cowboys just opened their new practice facility there, The Star, complete with indoor stadium used by high schools. Frisco is not on the list of Top 10 vacation destinations, but it's fine for a lower-level bowl.

The FCS championship has done well there, especially when NDSU is in it with its horde of traveling fans. Toyota Stadium is fine for what this is. If ESPN wants to put on this game, and it's not going to be in Miami, why not Frisco? There are worse places.

Actually the average high for Dallas in December is about 60. (Actually 58). So it's just as likely to be 80 as it is to have an ice storm. There are only one or 2 freezing precipitation events per year so the chances of it happening on bowl day are very small...maybe a 1-2 percent chance or less. I have lived in North Texas before and have spent 20 years studying Texas weather patterns and most bowl games you'll be looking at a range of 48 or 50 on the low side to the 70s on a mild day. Being in the 30s in the middle of the day would be rare. Not unheard of but rare.

I think the point was, the weather in Dallas around New Year's is unpredictable. Volatile. It can be anywhere from 80 to 40, sunny or ice storm. So you don't go their for the weather.

As for the city, Greater Dallas is obviously a major metropolis and despite its sprawling nature there's no chance of getting bored there on a 5-day bowl trip. Plenty to do in all aspects of life with a big dollop of Texas culture.

The thing is, at that time of year, it's inferior to Miami, which has warm weather you can set your watch by, and the kind of tropical/beach entertainment people generally look for in winter. So in terms of location, it's inferior, no matter how many schools are close enough to drive there.

Besides, IMO, a bowl is supposed to be a "destination", someplace far away and exotic you have to fly to, that's part of what makes it fun for the students and alumni. It's not really a "reward" if it's around the corner. E.g., for most of the Big East/AAC, the St. Pete Bowl, despite the lousy stadium, was/is a fantastic destination because you get to go to sunny Florida when it's freezing up north. But for USF or UCF, it's like not going to a bowl at all.

So I hope that, counterintuitively, it's the USF's and UConn's that get sent to it, not the SMU's and Houston's.

Doesn't matter. Sure, ideally you want warmer weather and a great destination city---but this is a bottom level bowl that likely pits a pair of 6-6 G5 teams against one another. For those kind of bowls to be successful---it needs to be a cheap trip that's drivable for at least one (or preferably both) fan bases. You saw what can happen last year at Miami Beach when two small fan base teams were invited to a bowl over a thousand miles away. It looked like the crowd approached several dozen.

If at least one school is close enough for an easy drive, a 20K stadium will end up looking pretty full when you add in the local walk up crowd. If both schools are an easy drive away, the bowl is a quick sell out.

Fair points, I'll cop to being too idealistic about this bottom-feeder bowl. We need a local anchor, unless by chance the Sun Belt team being invited happens to be close to Dallas (are any? maybe Texas State?), in which case we could send a far-flung AAC school because the SB school would be the local anchor to boost attendance, even though it's "our" bowl.

But absent that, yeah, we have to send an SMU or Tulsa, etc.

(05-23-2017 10:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 09:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 07:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 06:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 08:19 PM)johnintx Wrote:  That would make four bowls in the DFW Metroplex, plus the FCS championship game:
Cotton - Arlington
Armed Forces - Fort Worth
Heart of Dallas - Dallas
Bowl Formerly Known as Miami Beach - Frisco

DFW isn't a bad location-I spent 14 years there. Centrally located (especially for these schools), easily accessible airport, great recruiting. The weather in December can be iffy, as it might be 60 degrees on game day, or there may be an ice storm. You don't go there for the weather.

Frisco turned from a small town to a suburb overnight, as it tends to happen in North Texas. It grew from a population of 6,000 in 1990 to 33,000 in 2000 to 160,000 today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisco,_Texas There are plenty of hotels and restaurants. The Rangers' AA farm club plays in a great ballpark next to the Dallas Stars practice facility. In addition, the Cowboys just opened their new practice facility there, The Star, complete with indoor stadium used by high schools. Frisco is not on the list of Top 10 vacation destinations, but it's fine for a lower-level bowl.

The FCS championship has done well there, especially when NDSU is in it with its horde of traveling fans. Toyota Stadium is fine for what this is. If ESPN wants to put on this game, and it's not going to be in Miami, why not Frisco? There are worse places.

Actually the average high for Dallas in December is about 60. (Actually 58). So it's just as likely to be 80 as it is to have an ice storm. There are only one or 2 freezing precipitation events per year so the chances of it happening on bowl day are very small...maybe a 1-2 percent chance or less. I have lived in North Texas before and have spent 20 years studying Texas weather patterns and most bowl games you'll be looking at a range of 48 or 50 on the low side to the 70s on a mild day. Being in the 30s in the middle of the day would be rare. Not unheard of but rare.

I think the point was, the weather in Dallas around New Year's is unpredictable. Volatile. It can be anywhere from 80 to 40, sunny or ice storm. So you don't go their for the weather.

As for the city, Greater Dallas is obviously a major metropolis and despite its sprawling nature there's no chance of getting bored there on a 5-day bowl trip. Plenty to do in all aspects of life with a big dollop of Texas culture.

The thing is, at that time of year, it's inferior to Miami, which has warm weather you can set your watch by, and the kind of tropical/beach entertainment people generally look for in winter. So in terms of location, it's inferior, no matter how many schools are close enough to drive there.

Besides, IMO, a bowl is supposed to be a "destination", someplace far away and exotic you have to fly to, that's part of what makes it fun for the students and alumni. It's not really a "reward" if it's around the corner. E.g., for most of the Big East/AAC, the St. Pete Bowl, despite the lousy stadium, was/is a fantastic destination because you get to go to sunny Florida when it's freezing up north. But for USF or UCF, it's like not going to a bowl at all.

So I hope that, counterintuitively, it's the USF's and UConn's that get sent to it, not the SMU's and Houston's.

Doesn't matter. Sure, ideally you want warmer weather and a great destination city---but this is a bottom level bowl that likely pits a pair of 6-6 G5 teams against one another. For those kind of bowls to be successful---it needs to be a cheap trip that's drivable for at least one (or preferably both) fan bases. You saw what can happen last year at Miami Beach when two small fan base teams were invited to a bowl over a thousand miles away. It looked like the crowd approached several dozen.

If at least one school is close enough for an easy drive, a 20K stadium will end up looking pretty full when you add in the local walk up crowd. If both schools are an easy drive away, the bowl is a quick sell out.

Fair points, I'll cop to being too idealistic about this bottom-feeder bowl. We need a local anchor, unless by chance the Sun Belt team being invited happens to be close to Dallas (are any? maybe Texas State?), in which case we could send a far-flung AAC school because the SB school would be the local anchor to boost attendance, even though it's "our" bowl.

But absent that, yeah, we have to send an SMU or Tulsa, etc.

Texas State is not that close to Frisco Bowl, unless you consider 250 miles south close by. Actually, Texas State's 30K Bobcat stadium would be ideal for this bowl. Halfway between Austin and San Antonio, and an even greater chance of excellent weather every year, due to being in south central Texas.

(05-23-2017 11:26 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 10:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 09:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 07:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 06:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Actually the average high for Dallas in December is about 60. (Actually 58). So it's just as likely to be 80 as it is to have an ice storm. There are only one or 2 freezing precipitation events per year so the chances of it happening on bowl day are very small...maybe a 1-2 percent chance or less. I have lived in North Texas before and have spent 20 years studying Texas weather patterns and most bowl games you'll be looking at a range of 48 or 50 on the low side to the 70s on a mild day. Being in the 30s in the middle of the day would be rare. Not unheard of but rare.

I think the point was, the weather in Dallas around New Year's is unpredictable. Volatile. It can be anywhere from 80 to 40, sunny or ice storm. So you don't go their for the weather.

As for the city, Greater Dallas is obviously a major metropolis and despite its sprawling nature there's no chance of getting bored there on a 5-day bowl trip. Plenty to do in all aspects of life with a big dollop of Texas culture.

The thing is, at that time of year, it's inferior to Miami, which has warm weather you can set your watch by, and the kind of tropical/beach entertainment people generally look for in winter. So in terms of location, it's inferior, no matter how many schools are close enough to drive there.

Besides, IMO, a bowl is supposed to be a "destination", someplace far away and exotic you have to fly to, that's part of what makes it fun for the students and alumni. It's not really a "reward" if it's around the corner. E.g., for most of the Big East/AAC, the St. Pete Bowl, despite the lousy stadium, was/is a fantastic destination because you get to go to sunny Florida when it's freezing up north. But for USF or UCF, it's like not going to a bowl at all.

So I hope that, counterintuitively, it's the USF's and UConn's that get sent to it, not the SMU's and Houston's.

Doesn't matter. Sure, ideally you want warmer weather and a great destination city---but this is a bottom level bowl that likely pits a pair of 6-6 G5 teams against one another. For those kind of bowls to be successful---it needs to be a cheap trip that's drivable for at least one (or preferably both) fan bases. You saw what can happen last year at Miami Beach when two small fan base teams were invited to a bowl over a thousand miles away. It looked like the crowd approached several dozen.

If at least one school is close enough for an easy drive, a 20K stadium will end up looking pretty full when you add in the local walk up crowd. If both schools are an easy drive away, the bowl is a quick sell out.

Fair points, I'll cop to being too idealistic about this bottom-feeder bowl. We need a local anchor, unless by chance the Sun Belt team being invited happens to be close to Dallas (are any? maybe Texas State?), in which case we could send a far-flung AAC school because the SB school would be the local anchor to boost attendance, even though it's "our" bowl.

But absent that, yeah, we have to send an SMU or Tulsa, etc.

Texas State is not that close to Frisco Bowl, unless you consider 250 miles south close by. Actually, Texas State's 30K Bobcat stadium would be ideal for this bowl. Halfway between Austin and San Antonio, and an even greater chance of excellent weather every year, due to being in south central Texas.

The Sunbelt has several teams that would be well within a reasonable driving distance. ULL, ArkySt, and Texas St. ULL and ArkySt have good reputations for traveling to bowls. Texas St is a question mark as they have never been to a bowl, but they draw a lot of their 40K+ student body from the Dallas area. I think Texas St would probably do fine in Dallas.

Yeah, I do agree TX ST would draw well to any bowl in Texas. Their fans will be jacked up for first bowl, most likely.

(05-23-2017 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 01:28 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 01:24 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  @Ben_Baby 2h2 hours ago
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Looks like ESPN/Frisco/FC Dallas will officially announce a new bowl game at Toyota Stadium tomorrow.

Is this an AAC vs Sun Belt Match up? Or CUSA?

2017: AAC vs Sun Belt
2018: AAC vs MAC
2019: AAC vs Sun Belt

Of course, Aresco tried to polish this turd-failure in sunny Miami:

"We are proud of the postseason opportunities that we have been able to provide to our student-athletes through our founding of the Miami Beach Bowl and we appreciate the relationships that we have built with the Miami Marlins, Marlins Park and the cities of Miami and Miami Beach," AAC commissioner Mike Aresco said in a statement.

"This transfer makes sense on so many levels. We are excited to enhance our overall relationship with ESPN and to continue our affiliation with the bowl."

Thanks....Pony used to be cool with me, I don't know what I did to p!ss him off!

San Marcos facility and experience wise makes great sense. What it doesn't do is serve ESPN Events desire to bundle the work with existing bowls they own.

(05-23-2017 01:02 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  San Marcos facility and experience wise makes great sense. What it doesn't do is serve ESPN Events desire to bundle the work with existing bowls they own.

I do like San Marcos. To your ESPN point, Im a little suprised they didnt move it to Houston. More realiably warm weather. Existing ESPN bowl infrastructure. And more right sized stadium options (BBVA Compass or could move to TDECU if more seating is needed). The downtown set up used by the Superbowl would be perfect for a bowl week and both stadiums are either within walking distance or can be accesed via ight rail from downtown. Plus, it would only compete with one other bowl instead of 3. Its a curious decision. Maybe Dallas campaigned for it and Houston was oblivious.

I applaud the conference for trying to create, own and manage the MBB. There is probably a reason why more conference, or ANY other conferences, attempt this... If he had got a good P5 opponent, it would have worked out. Didn't work out, so we just move on...

I agree that Bobcat Stadium would be awesome for a small bowl game. And good Lord, I can't believe Houston only has one bowl game... It would do very well in Houston. Orlando has, what, 3 or 4 bowl games? So WHO decided to put it in a Frisco Texas soccer stadium????

Does the AAC still own this bowl, or did we sell it to someone (ESPN)?

EDIT okay looked at a map... Frisco looks to be about 6 miles or so north of SMU. Why didn't we just put this game in SMU stadium? I saw both USF games at SMU... it's a great stadium! And you can access all the fun of downtown Dallas from SMU.

(05-23-2017 01:58 PM)Bull Wrote:  I applaud the conference for trying to create, own and manage the MBB. There is probably a reason why more conference, or ANY other conferences, attempt this... If he had got a good P5 opponent, it would have worked out. Didn't work out, so we just move on...

I agree that Bobcat Stadium would be awesome for a small bowl game. And good Lord, I can't believe Houston only has one bowl game... It would do very well in Houston. Orlando has, what, 3 or 4 bowl games? So WHO decided to put it in a Frisco Texas soccer stadium????

Does the AAC still own this bowl, or did we sell it to someone (ESPN)?

EDIT okay looked at a map... Frisco looks to be about 6 miles or so north of SMU. Why didn't we just put this game in SMU stadium? I saw both USF games at SMU... it's a great stadium! And you can access all the fun of downtown Dallas from SMU.

We (AAC) sold this to ESPN, so guess what, it's now up to ESPN where they want this bowl, the AAC has no say anymore. Maybe they got a better deal with Frisco than they could get with SMU's stadium

(05-23-2017 01:58 PM)Bull Wrote:  I applaud the conference for trying to create, own and manage the MBB. There is probably a reason why more conference, or ANY other conferences, attempt this... If he had got a good P5 opponent, it would have worked out. Didn't work out, so we just move on...

I agree that Bobcat Stadium would be awesome for a small bowl game. And good Lord, I can't believe Houston only has one bowl game... It would do very well in Houston. Orlando has, what, 3 or 4 bowl games? So WHO decided to put it in a Frisco Texas soccer stadium????

Does the AAC still own this bowl, or did we sell it to someone (ESPN)?

EDIT okay looked at a map... Frisco looks to be about 6 miles or so north of SMU. Why didn't we just put this game in SMU stadium? I saw both USF games at SMU... it's a great stadium! And you can access all the fun of downtown Dallas from SMU.

This goes back to something I truly believe. Both the AAC and the G5 tried to create some bowls. The problem with the G5 bowls was they didnt create what was really needed by the G5. The G5 had plenty of bottom tier bowl opportunities---what they REALLY lacked were any high or even mid-tier bowl ties. Thats what they needed to create.

The AAC realized this, but they did little more than pay lip service to the concept of building a high/mid-tier bowl.

It takes cash to do that. The P5 pretty much picks the bowls that pay the best. I cant find many (or any for that matter) real exceptions. The G5 could have diverted some money from their new windfall CFP earnings--but chose instead to pocket the money. The AAC had a realignment fund with over a 100 milion that they could have diverted some money from to create a solid high-to-mid tier bowl. They chose to pocket the money as well.

Until the G5 or an individual G5 conference is willing to put its money where its mouth is---then a post season outside of the bottom most tier of the bowl system will likely remain out of reach for the G5 (with the access bowl being the only exception). If it hasnt happened by now, then it should be clear---nobody else is going to build good bowl games for the G5 champions. They have to build thier own attractive bowls with payouts high enough to land attractive opponents from the P5. No one else is going to do it.

(05-23-2017 01:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 01:02 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  San Marcos facility and experience wise makes great sense. What it doesn't do is serve ESPN Events desire to bundle the work with existing bowls they own.

I do like San Marcos. To your ESPN point, Im a little suprised they didnt move it to Houston. More realiably warm weather. Existing ESPN bowl infrastructure. And more right sized stadium options (BBVA Compass or could move to TDECU if more seating is needed). The downtown set up used by the Superbowl would be perfect for a bowl week and both stadiums are either within walking distance or can be accesed via ight rail from downtown. Plus, it would only compete with one other bowl instead of 3. Its a curious decision. Maybe Dallas campaigned for it and Houston was oblivious.

Or maybe the folks in Houston might need to beef up their resumes after that vote of no confidence. (Kidding... mostly)

Or it could just be Frisco with their bent toward snagging sporting events had already approached ESPN about the possibility of hosting a game and the opportunity presented itself. (Tend to think that's the more likely outcome given that SMU and UNT both offer traditional college football stadiums in the right size).

About five Houston stadiums could host it. I wonder if you could play football at Minute Maid Park now that the hill is gone.

Sounds like ESPN may have found BYU a bowl for that s year. Would not be surprised to hear a tie-in offered to them. To have an at large would require a waiver. My hunch ESPN working with SBC to make BYU happen. http://www.fbschedules.com/2017/05/frisc...each-bowl/

(05-23-2017 04:28 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Sounds like ESPN may have found BYU a bowl for that s year. Would not be surprised to hear a tie-in offered to them. To have an at large would require a waiver. My hunch ESPN working with SBC to make BYU happen. http://www.fbschedules.com/2017/05/frisc...each-bowl/

The bowl always had a certain amount of flexibility written into its ties with the G5 pool---thats how it ended up with BYU when CUSA was the scheduled opponent in the first year of the Miami Bowl. Where this bowl is a quantum improvement over the Miami Bowl is the time slot. Instead of being on a weekday---a couple of days before Christmas--- at 2 in the afternoon, when most people are still at work---the Frisco Bowl will instead kick off at 8pm in prime time 4 days prior to Christmas. Much better travel window and a kick time that appeals to a much larger TV audience. lol....ESPN was clearly "hoeing" the AAC with that almost sinister time slot.

(05-23-2017 04:28 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Sounds like ESPN may have found BYU a bowl for that s year. Would not be surprised to hear a tie-in offered to them. To have an at large would require a waiver. My hunch ESPN working with SBC to make BYU happen. http://www.fbschedules.com/2017/05/frisc...each-bowl/

Interesting the wording is AAC vs "at large" for the Frisco Bowl. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see BYU put in this bowl.

(05-23-2017 02:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  This goes back to something I truly believe. Both the AAC and the G5 tried to create some bowls. The problem with the G5 bowls was they didnt create what was really needed by the G5. The G5 had plenty of bottom tier bowl opportunities---what they REALLY lacked were any high or even mid-tier bowl ties. Thats what they needed to create.

The AAC realized this, but they did little more than pay lip service to the concept of building a high/mid-tier bowl.

It takes cash to do that. The P5 pretty much picks the bowls that pay the best. I cant find many (or any for that matter) real exceptions. The G5 could have diverted some money from their new windfall CFP earnings--but chose instead to pocket the money.

I know this investing in a mid-tier bowl is a pet project of yours, but to me there's a good reason why it hasn't, and won't happen: The AAC is fundamentally viewed by its members as a way-station conference, not a destination, and you don't give up real tangible here/now dollars to invest in something you hope not to be affiliated with for very long. Now that view might be delusional, we all might be stuck in the AAC for decades, such that it would make sense to make school-level sacrifices for the good of the conference. But delusional or not, that's how the schools view the situation.

So that's why neither a USF nor a UConn, or any other AAC school for that matter, was willing to give up say $500,000 a year from Big East legacy payments that could go to their pocket to fund a bowl that might attract a mid-level P5 opponent and thus have marginal positive benefits down the road.

As for the true needs of the G5, I'm not sure I agree. It's probably better for a conference to (a) have its top team play in a lousy bowl but (b) have bowl slots for all teams that qualify, than to (a) have its top team play in a good bowl, but (b) significant chance that a bowl eligible team misses out on a bowl.

Remember, in 2014, even with the newly-created Miami Beach Bowl, the AAC only had 5 slots and Temple missed out despite being bowl eligible. Now you can say that was a special circumstance, but that's the point - you want to be protected even from special circumstances because missing a bowl when you are eligible is just intolerable from a school POV, much worse than being conference champ and playing in the Military Bowl, as the AAC champ more or less does now. So I think the G5 were correct in creating these rinky-dink Bahamas and Miami Beach games. It's just too painful and embarrassing to have bowl eligible teams miss out.

(05-23-2017 01:58 PM)Bull Wrote:  I applaud the conference for trying to create, own and manage the MBB. There is probably a reason why more conference, or ANY other conferences, attempt this... If he had got a good P5 opponent, it would have worked out. Didn't work out, so we just move on...

I agree that Bobcat Stadium would be awesome for a small bowl game. And good Lord, I can't believe Houston only has one bowl game... It would do very well in Houston. Orlando has, what, 3 or 4 bowl games? So WHO decided to put it in a Frisco Texas soccer stadium????

Does the AAC still own this bowl, or did we sell it to someone (ESPN)?

EDIT okay looked at a map... Frisco looks to be about 6 miles or so north of SMU. Why didn't we just put this game in SMU stadium? I saw both USF games at SMU... it's a great stadium! And you can access all the fun of downtown Dallas from SMU.

ESPN owns the bowl. It's not as close to Dallas as you think and it's in a tiny stadium called Pizza Hut Park. Now named Toyota stadium. Capacity is a little over 20k. I think there's a good chance that BYU could play against the AAC in this one this year which would be great for us....SMU or Tulsa vs BYU would sell out.