(04-24-2017 06:32 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 04:41 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 04:07 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 01:42 PM)CCUBrad Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 11:52 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  This nation has spent billions over the past 50 years trying to lift the poor from poverty. What has it accomplished? Jails are bursting at the seams, violence, abortions, single parent families and drug use among the poor are at an all time high. Poor kids drop out of a FREE high school education in record numbers while violent street gang numbers are exploding. By supplying the poor with all their needs - free food, housing, health care, and spending cash - liberals have successfully taken away all incentives for poor people to need to lift themselves up. I work in the multifamily housing industry and you would be shocked at what I see in these section 8 neighborhoods. So excuse me if I don't get all teary eyed over your bleeding heart comnents. Can you imagine how prosperous this nation would be if we didn't have to commit so much money to feed this out of control entitlement monster?

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I think there's a lot worse ways to spend money than by attempting to help the poor. Jesus was a proponent of this whole idea IIRC, but you're right that some programs do fail and get taken advantage of. That doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to try. Could you imagine how wealthy this nation would be if even our poorest neighborhoods were filled with college degree earners? I'd think that would give America an edge in the global market. No one is saying gift out degrees. They'd still have to be earned. At least that's how I read it. That's better than cell phones and other entitlements in a way as it gives them more of the tools needed to get it themselves am I right?

Jesus commanded his followers help the poor, widows and orphans. Not for governments to do so.

Not that I fully disagree with your statement...but Jesus Christ DID tell his followers to pay their taxes too.

Actually the scripture that I assume you are referencing "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's" (Mark 12:17)is taken SEVERELY out of context. Jesus was not communicating that he wants his followers to stay up to date on their taxes.

I know most on this board don't give a crap about the true meaning of that verse, but if you're interested you can PM me. But Jesus never commanded his followers to pay their taxes. His comment here must be taken in context of what he was doing (which was responding to a specific question that was meant to entrap him).

Some people will take a specific verse out of the Bible without looking at what came berfore or after it.

(04-24-2017 06:44 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 06:32 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 04:41 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 04:07 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 01:42 PM)CCUBrad Wrote:  I think there's a lot worse ways to spend money than by attempting to help the poor. Jesus was a proponent of this whole idea IIRC, but you're right that some programs do fail and get taken advantage of. That doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to try. Could you imagine how wealthy this nation would be if even our poorest neighborhoods were filled with college degree earners? I'd think that would give America an edge in the global market. No one is saying gift out degrees. They'd still have to be earned. At least that's how I read it. That's better than cell phones and other entitlements in a way as it gives them more of the tools needed to get it themselves am I right?

Jesus commanded his followers help the poor, widows and orphans. Not for governments to do so.

Not that I fully disagree with your statement...but Jesus Christ DID tell his followers to pay their taxes too.

Actually the scripture that I assume you are referencing "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's" (Mark 12:17)is taken SEVERELY out of context. Jesus was not communicating that he wants his followers to stay up to date on their taxes.

I know most on this board don't give a crap about the true meaning of that verse, but if you're interested you can PM me. But Jesus never commanded his followers to pay their taxes. His comment here must be taken in context of what he was doing (which was responding to a specific question that was meant to entrap him).

Some people will take a specific verse out of the Bible without looking at what came berfore or after it.

Most people will actually lol. But I'm not bashing him for what he posted. Honestly, at first glance, most everyone would interpret Mark 12:17 to be saying "pay your taxes." So he is very far from alone in that interpretation.

I'm just saying that if you take that verse in context of what was actually happening in that situation, it paints a different picture, and shows that Jesus was communicating something much greater than, "pay your taxes."

Heck, we have the benefit of the scriptures and hindsight, whereas the disciples themselves did not, and it caused even THEM to misinterpret much of what Jesus said. Jesus was often correcting them and telling them they didn't get it.

(04-21-2017 03:19 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  I'm white and got mine paid for. Wasn't even academic. I merely had to go to war 4 times.

Page 13 of this bizarre college sports message board's theological, economical, eschatological, sociological, and other weekend "ical" discussion seems like a good place to restate my original position.

(04-24-2017 07:14 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:19 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  I'm white and got mine paid for. Wasn't even academic. I merely had to go to war 4 times.

Page 13 of this bizarre college sports message board's theological, economical, eschatological, sociological, and other weekend "ical" discussion seems like a good place to restate my original position.

In my opinion you paid for it. It wasn't free.

If thinking the ideas of a school's SGA are reason enough to not want to be in a conference with them, good luck finding anyone you'd wanna be in a conference with.

(04-24-2017 09:15 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  If thinking the ideas of a school's SGA are reason enough to not want to be in a conference with them, good luck finding anyone you'd wanna be in a conference with.

After 3 pages of posts all of this could have been avoided had you posted a few days ago.

(04-24-2017 11:03 AM)CCUBrad Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 10:54 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 08:52 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 05:23 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 11:02 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  I don't agree with your analysis. Sure those problems did occur, but that is not a guarantee that it MUST happen. Given the right political office holders there is NO need to have the country be in that sort of situation with parks being closed and such.

It is very easy to run something into the ground, it does take hard work and dedication to make something like I propose work but it can be done. It would help to have higher-ups that are setting policy actually care about the programs they are running and not trying to run them into the ground, which has been the case off and on for many decades. But if other countries can do it, I think we can to in this country. And other countries are doing it.

Sure other countries are doing it but that doesn't mean that we can do it. There are a lot of differences between those countries and America. First off, most of those countries, especially the European countries, have lower enrollment percentages than we do in America. Secondly, those countries have higher taxes than us. And lastly, free education is not a right and the government has no right to make me pay for someone else's education.

Here is Article 9 Sec 9 of North Carolina's Constitution.
"Sec. 9. Benefits of public institutions of higher education.
The General Assembly shall provide that the benefits of The University of North Carolina and other public institutions of higher education, as far as practicable, be extended to the people of the State free of expense."

Sounds to me like an endorsement of free. Personally I don't think we are anywhere near the, "as far as practicable." and could go a lot further in making higher ed free for North Carolina residents.

I seriously doubt something written in 1868 referring to "higher education" had a college degree in mind.

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But but but... I bet you stand by the thought that the writers of the Second Ammendment would still apply it to assault rifles and extended magazines...

Assault rifles are not available for purchase by the average citizen without great cost and jumping through some hoops.

I get your point you're trying to make but please use correct terminology because careless use of words is what causes these dumb arguments in the first place and serves to propagate an agenda that is just stupid and self serving.

And even if you use the term assault weapons, that's an asinine title applied to black rifles that are semi-automatic because they have features that make them "scary" but in no way change the lethality of the weapon itself.

All that being said, I agree we have a gun violence problem in this country.....but it's not because law abiding citizens are allowed to purchase weapons. I've owned an AR-15 for several years and it's yet to go on a murderous rampage. Maybe I got a lemon?

(04-24-2017 06:48 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 06:44 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 06:32 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 04:41 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 04:07 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Jesus commanded his followers help the poor, widows and orphans. Not for governments to do so.

Not that I fully disagree with your statement...but Jesus Christ DID tell his followers to pay their taxes too.

Actually the scripture that I assume you are referencing "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's" (Mark 12:17)is taken SEVERELY out of context. Jesus was not communicating that he wants his followers to stay up to date on their taxes.

I know most on this board don't give a crap about the true meaning of that verse, but if you're interested you can PM me. But Jesus never commanded his followers to pay their taxes. His comment here must be taken in context of what he was doing (which was responding to a specific question that was meant to entrap him).

Some people will take a specific verse out of the Bible without looking at what came berfore or after it.

Most people will actually lol. But I'm not bashing him for what he posted. Honestly, at first glance, most everyone would interpret Mark 12:17 to be saying "pay your taxes." So he is very far from alone in that interpretation.

I'm just saying that if you take that verse in context of what was actually happening in that situation, it paints a different picture, and shows that Jesus was communicating something much greater than, "pay your taxes."

Heck, we have the benefit of the scriptures and hindsight, whereas the disciples themselves did not, and it caused even THEM to misinterpret much of what Jesus said. Jesus was often correcting them and telling them they didn't get it.

So true.

(04-24-2017 09:15 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  If thinking the ideas of a school's SGA are reason enough to not want to be in a conference with them, good luck finding anyone you'd wanna be in a conference with.

Welp.... My original post was intended somewhat tongue-n'cheek just to simply point out the stupidity of the proposal. It's been interesting to see all the twists and turns this thing has taken. Been a great look into how differently we all perceive things.