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RE: Murray St to MVC?
(04-20-2017 05:13 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 05:02 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Youngstown flys to every MVFC game. Every team flys to Youngstown. They are the true outlier.

That is a fair point. But still, just because you get on a plane doesn't mean you can instantaneously teleport there. Farther distance is more cost, and longer flight.


(04-20-2017 05:06 PM)SC-IL73 Wrote:  I'd want western in our division

I just put them there to be with the other Summit teams.

But like MissouriBears was saying, Western probably would want to be with Illinois schools and UNI.



The easiest and safest thing to do, I guess, is not to have any scheduling divisions and just rotate through all the opponents with no particular bias to distance.

I know thats why you did it. Honestly I am ok with any divisions so long as ISU gets UNI, Mo St, SIU, and WIU every year. The problem is those 5 schools will all want to play each other creating an issue for YSU and the Dakotas. My hunch is theyll figure something out the MVFC works really well together for the hodgepodge of schools it is, I think being the top FCS league helps that chemistry.
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RE: Murray St to MVC?
You should look at Jeff Bidwell's facebook video today on the subject.
https://www.facebook.com/ImAnOhioGuy/

Invite has not happened, this is a preliminary step should any invite come. Wont happen tomorrow

(note: Valpo is private, you wont get any public notice of a regents meeting)
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RE: Murray St to MVC?
(04-20-2017 05:13 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 05:02 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Youngstown flys to every MVFC game. Every team flys to Youngstown. They are the true outlier.

That is a fair point. But still, just because you get on a plane doesn't mean you can instantaneously teleport there. Farther distance is more cost, and longer flight.

I just put them there to be with the other Summit teams.

But like MissouriBears was saying, Western probably would want to be with Illinois schools and UNI.

The easiest and safest thing to do, I guess, is not to have any scheduling divisions and just rotate through all the opponents with no particular bias to distance.

Mo St wants MVC schools on its schedule, not Dakota ones. Who has more power here? Certainly not W Illinois. Piss off Mo St and the MVC has a bigger problem on its hands. W Illinois was always against Slummit fb, so they caused a lot of problems to begin with.

The MVC schools have always made a stink about flying fb anywhere. NDSU and UND have to be flown to. USD and SDSU would be in bus range for some MVC fb teams.
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(04-20-2017 04:18 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Summit Division (NDSU, SDSU, USD, UND, Western Illinois plus Youngstown)
MVC Division (Missouri St, Illinois St, Southern Illinois, UNI, Indiana State, Murray St)

Western Illinois will scream the most bloody murder.

This would end the Slummit right? I figured the WAC was the first goner
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RE: Murray St to MVC?
kick out YSU make Inst (they dont try anyway and no one will miss them) or Murray St drop football convince the Montana schools to join the summit.
East
ISU
WIU
SIU
MoSt
Murray/ In St
UNI

West
NDSU
SDSU
UND
USD
Montana
MTSt
Compact divisions with 1 or 2 long road trips a year, best FCS football... Never happening
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RE: Murray St to MVC?
Doesn't the MVC struggle with a public private divide? I don't see schools like drake being ok with a distant public school without a private school in return. Valpo to the MVC makes sense as the Horizon had morphed into a Midwestern public school league plus Detroit, a legacy member back when the Horizon was private school dominated
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(04-20-2017 05:37 PM)SC-IL73 Wrote:  kick out YSU make Inst (they dont try anyway and no one will miss them) or Murray St drop football convince the Montana schools to join the summit.
East
ISU
WIU
SIU
MoSt
Murray/ In St
UNI

West
NDSU
SDSU
UND
USD
Montana
MTSt
Compact divisions with 1 or 2 long road trips a year, best FCS football... Never happening

Any Montana move involves at least five schools, maybe more. Mont, MSU, Idaho, EWU and likely Weber St are a package deal.
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RE: Murray St to MVC?
(04-20-2017 05:18 PM)SC-IL73 Wrote:  so long as ISU gets UNI, Mo St, SIU, and WIU every year.

Just wondering ... why would IL St care about playing MO St, but not care about playing IN St?? Neither are very good football programs, neither are particularly close by (though IN St is a lot closer by miles), and both are in the MVC for all sports ...


(04-20-2017 05:23 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  You should look at Jeff Bidwell's facebook video today on the subject.
https://www.facebook.com/ImAnOhioGuy/

Invite has not happened, this is a preliminary step should any invite come. Wont happen tomorrow

Regardless if it happens tomorrow or next month ... it seems the safest play. It checks all these boxes:

- simple 1 for 1 replacement, getting them back to 10
- replaces a public for a public
- reasonably within footprint
- decent bball

- and has football to boot, which swings the balance of power in the MVFC back to the MVC schools
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(04-20-2017 05:46 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Doesn't the MVC struggle with a public private divide? I don't see schools like drake being ok with a distant public school without a private school in return.

That would mean going from 10 to 11. Doesn't make sense.

The simplest, safest play is to replace a public with a public, and maintain whatever balance existed with WSU.
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(04-20-2017 05:46 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Doesn't the MVC struggle with a public private divide? I don't see schools like drake being ok with a distant public school without a private school in return. Valpo to the MVC makes sense as the Horizon had morphed into a Midwestern public school league plus Detroit, a legacy member back when the Horizon was private school dominated

This league would be resilent and much more unified:

Drake
Bradley
Loyola
Evansville
Valpo
Belmont
Oral Roberts
Detroit Mercy

Dayton, St Louis and Butler pre-2010 would have looked into it.
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