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RE: Isn't it obvious that Tubby Smith is doing it the Cal way?
(04-19-2017 10:03 PM)SalRivs Wrote:  Coach Tubby Smith may not be bringing in the Star players that Coach Cal did.

But he is clearly letting the Memphis players go by the way side that he doesn't want, and focusing on getting players that will play his style on the roster!

I'm seeing this and I'm not blind!

You show amazing insight to have realized he is recruiting players he wants and is not recruiting players he doesn't want. Philosophy major?
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(04-19-2017 10:24 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Seems to me Tubby is just taking the easiest possible path he can find. Recruit the easiest, least hassle players he can find, even if they will take us down to the level of Texas Tech. Maybe in 4 years we can go .500 in conference, lose in the first conference tournament game, squeak into the NCAA where we lose the first game in the conference, then he retires saying "I took 5 different schools to the tournament". If that floats your boat, well keep on sailing. For me, I feel like we could have hired an 800k a year guy and saved about 11 million dollars.

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(04-19-2017 10:18 PM)FUT Wrote:  Let's not compare Cal to Tubby please. They both coached at Memphis and Kentucky. They both have one ring. Other than that they are polar opposites and if they were stocks I know who I am buying and who I am selling.

Exactly
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RE: Isn't it obvious that Tubby Smith is doing it the Cal way?
Cal recruited at a high level. Tubby not so much.
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(04-19-2017 10:53 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Wasn't it Tubby's Minnesota team that beat our amazing team full of 4/5 star guys down at the Battle of Atlantis? Andre Hollins had fun that day hanging 41 on us.

I miss CUSA.

We also beat Final Four participant South Carolina this year.
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(04-19-2017 10:24 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Seems to me Tubby is just taking the easiest possible path he can find. Recruit the easiest, least hassle players he can find, even if they will take us down to the level of Texas Tech. Maybe in 4 years we can go .500 in conference, lose in the first conference tournament game, squeak into the NCAA where we lose the first game in the conference, then he retires saying "I took 5 different schools to the tournament". If that floats your boat, well keep on sailing. For me, I feel like we could have hired an 800k a year guy and saved about 11 million dollars.

500 in this conference won't get you in the tournament.

4 years from now isn't going to cut it either ... 2 years maybe.
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RE: Isn't it obvious that Tubby Smith is doing it the Cal way?
This conference did not make a good showing in the tournament. When I saw the level of tournament play and how far we had fallen.... reality hit very hard.

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(04-20-2017 08:40 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  This conference did not make a good showing in the tournament. When I saw the level of tournament play and how far we had fallen.... reality hit very hard.

Go Tigers.

That's true.
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(04-19-2017 10:08 PM)SigEpMike Wrote:  Cal recruited every good Memphis player


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He actually did not.
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RE: Isn't it obvious that Tubby Smith is doing it the Cal way?
(04-19-2017 10:24 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Seems to me Tubby is just taking the easiest possible path he can find. Recruit the easiest, least hassle players he can find, even if they will take us down to the level of Texas Tech. Maybe in 4 years we can go .500 in conference, lose in the first conference tournament game, squeak into the NCAA where we lose the first game in the conference, then he retires saying "I took 5 different schools to the tournament". If that floats your boat, well keep on sailing. For me, I feel like we could have hired an 800k a year guy and saved about 11 million dollars.

He's already at 5. We would be 6.
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(04-19-2017 10:52 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I personally, don't think it "worked well in Lubbock". If that is the best we can expect, well Pastner was atleast 4x better.

That's an illuminating mouthful right there.
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RE: Isn't it obvious that Tubby Smith is doing it the Cal way?
(04-19-2017 10:24 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Seems to me Tubby is just taking the easiest possible path he can find. Recruit the easiest, least hassle players he can find, even if they will take us down to the level of Texas Tech. Maybe in 4 years we can go .500 in conference, lose in the first conference tournament game, squeak into the NCAA where we lose the first game in the conference, then he retires saying "I took 5 different schools to the tournament". If that floats your boat, well keep on sailing. For me, I feel like we could have hired an 800k a year guy and saved about 11 million dollars.

Actual events over the past few years at least support your statement.

Tubby aims to lower fan expectations through failure and thus lower the bar and call it success when he clears the bar. It may work for some fans, but not me.
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(04-19-2017 10:07 PM)SalRivs Wrote:  Tubby Smith may not be getting the high level guys that Cal did, but he is letting go of Memphis players that he feels isn't playing how he wants them to play.

Memphis players Cal signed:
Willie Kemp (close enough)
Jeremy Hunt
Andre Allen
Antonio Burks
Shawne Williams
Cyde Wade


Memphis players he tried to get but didn't
Thad Young
PJ Prince
Elliott Williams
Leslie McDonald
Earnest Shelton (?)

Then 2007,08, and 09 just didn't have any kids that were "must gets" based on the talent he already. The only top 100 kids from 2007-2009 were Buckner, Elliott, and Leslie.
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RE: Isn't it obvious that Tubby Smith is doing it the Cal way?
(04-20-2017 10:09 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 10:24 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Seems to me Tubby is just taking the easiest possible path he can find. Recruit the easiest, least hassle players he can find, even if they will take us down to the level of Texas Tech. Maybe in 4 years we can go .500 in conference, lose in the first conference tournament game, squeak into the NCAA where we lose the first game in the conference, then he retires saying "I took 5 different schools to the tournament". If that floats your boat, well keep on sailing. For me, I feel like we could have hired an 800k a year guy and saved about 11 million dollars.

Actual events over the past few years at least support your statement.

Tubby aims to lower fan expectations through failure and thus lower the bar and call it success when he clears the bar. It may work for some fans, but not me.

Yawn...

Do you ever get tired of being such a bummer?? Doesn't it get old whining about things you have no control over?

Unless you're planning on buying out Tubby's contract, I guess your just gonna have to be miserable. I guess better than kicking the dog...
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(04-20-2017 10:16 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 10:07 PM)SalRivs Wrote:  Tubby Smith may not be getting the high level guys that Cal did, but he is letting go of Memphis players that he feels isn't playing how he wants them to play.

Memphis players Cal signed:
Willie Kemp (close enough)
Jeremy Hunt
Andre Allen
Antonio Burks
Shawne Williams
Cyde Wade


Memphis players he tried to get but didn't
Thad Young
PJ Prince
Elliott Williams
Leslie McDonald
Earnest Shelton (?)

Then 2007,08, and 09 just didn't have any kids that were "must gets" based on the talent he already. The only top 100 kids from 2007-2009 were Buckner, Elliott, and Leslie.

Add to the Memphis kids Cal signed:
John Grice
Qyntel Woods
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RE: Isn't it obvious that Tubby Smith is doing it the Cal way?
(04-19-2017 10:32 PM)Motor City Sam Wrote:  Coach Smith is doing what he always does: Find talented players, no matter where they're from and also take advantage of the good players locally, who are a good fit. Develop them, get them to play well in his system, and play well as a team. Win basketball games. It's worked everywhere he's gone. If it worked well in Minnesota and Lubbock, I'm expecting him to have even better results in Memphis. I think that's why he came here.

I don't think he had to talk to Cal to know about Memphis. He has successfully recruited Memphis before.

Great and rational post 04-cheers
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The position of World Wide Wes is open in case any of you would like to step up....
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RE: Isn't it obvious that Tubby Smith is doing it the Cal way?
(04-20-2017 10:16 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 10:07 PM)SalRivs Wrote:  Tubby Smith may not be getting the high level guys that Cal did, but he is letting go of Memphis players that he feels isn't playing how he wants them to play.

Memphis players Cal signed:
Willie Kemp (close enough)
Jeremy Hunt
Andre Allen
Antonio Burks
Shawne Williams
Cyde Wade


Memphis players he tried to get but didn't
Thad Young
PJ Prince
Elliott Williams
Leslie McDonald
Earnest Shelton (?)

Then 2007,08, and 09 just didn't have any kids that were "must gets" based on the talent he already. The only top 100 kids from 2007-2009 were Buckner, Elliott, and Leslie.

Cal gave up on PJ, and Elliott Williams quickly. Ernest Shelton was a perfect example of how Cal dictated the culture. Shelton was screwing around and taking too much time so Cal went out and signed Anthony Rice. Cal did the same thing to PJ Prince by signing CDR.
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RE: Isn't it obvious that Tubby Smith is doing it the Cal way?
(04-20-2017 10:48 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 10:16 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 10:07 PM)SalRivs Wrote:  Tubby Smith may not be getting the high level guys that Cal did, but he is letting go of Memphis players that he feels isn't playing how he wants them to play.

Memphis players Cal signed:
Willie Kemp (close enough)
Jeremy Hunt
Andre Allen
Antonio Burks
Shawne Williams
Cyde Wade


Memphis players he tried to get but didn't
Thad Young
PJ Prince
Elliott Williams
Leslie McDonald
Earnest Shelton (?)

Then 2007,08, and 09 just didn't have any kids that were "must gets" based on the talent he already. The only top 100 kids from 2007-2009 were Buckner, Elliott, and Leslie.

Cal gave up on PJ, and Elliott Williams quickly. Ernest Shelton was a perfect example of how Cal dictated the culture. Shelton was screwing around and taking too much time so Cal went out and signed Anthony Rice. Cal did the same thing to PJ Prince by signing CDR.

Agree, just noting that he wasn't "refusing" to recruit Memphis kids.

There seems to be some notion that Memphis was successful because Cal "refused" to recruit locally.

Certainly not the case. Obviously, when he got to the point where he could get a Rose, Evans, Wall, or Cousins it didn't make sense to go after Buckner, Culpepper, or Moultire--though I'd kill for them now.
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(04-20-2017 10:59 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 10:48 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 10:16 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 10:07 PM)SalRivs Wrote:  Tubby Smith may not be getting the high level guys that Cal did, but he is letting go of Memphis players that he feels isn't playing how he wants them to play.

Memphis players Cal signed:
Willie Kemp (close enough)
Jeremy Hunt
Andre Allen
Antonio Burks
Shawne Williams
Cyde Wade



Memphis players he tried to get but didn't
Thad Young
PJ Prince
Elliott Williams
Leslie McDonald
Earnest Shelton (?)

Then 2007,08, and 09 just didn't have any kids that were "must gets" based on the talent he already. The only top 100 kids from 2007-2009 were Buckner, Elliott, and Leslie.

Cal gave up on PJ, and Elliott Williams quickly. Ernest Shelton was a perfect example of how Cal dictated the culture. Shelton was screwing around and taking too much time so Cal went out and signed Anthony Rice. Cal did the same thing to PJ Prince by signing CDR.

Agree, just noting that he wasn't "refusing" to recruit Memphis kids.

There seems to be some notion that Memphis was successful because Cal "refused" to recruit locally.

Certainly not the case. Obviously, when he got to the point where he could get a Rose, Evans, Wall, or Cousins it didn't make sense to go after Buckner, Culpepper, or Moultire--though I'd kill for them now.

A Moutrie-type player last year would have made a huge difference.
Cal had (has) the luxury of being able to tell kids, "Thanks but no thanks". We don't have people jockeying for position to come to Memphis like we had when Cal was coach.
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