(04-19-2017 10:34 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  DB - 3-4 (Fall camp and interviews indicate an improvement here. We'll have to wait and see).

Mostly agree with the ranking, but I would rank DB higher, so many returning starters this year..

(04-19-2017 09:11 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  BTW, arguably the best backs in the league (IMO) are Jalin Moore, Wesley Fields, Larry Rose, Xavier Johnson, and Jordan Chunn. Wesley Fields is the only 3-star guy in that bunch, but just barely, and Moore has a rating of 0.700, which might be as low as it can be (not sure).

Wait until you see RB Jamarius Henderson at Troy...

TXST

It will be a rough year. Withers has called this year 1 of the rebuild and 2016 year 0. Don't expect much from the Bobcats until 2018 and more likely 2019.

(04-21-2017 09:42 AM)slycat Wrote:  TXST

It will be a rough year. Withers has called this year 1 of the rebuild and 2016 year 0. Don't expect much from the Bobcats until 2018 and more likely 2019.

Yup, fully expect us to only win our FCS game this year....

(04-21-2017 09:42 AM)slycat Wrote:  TXST

It will be a rough year. Withers has called this year 1 of the rebuild and 2016 year 0. Don't expect much from the Bobcats until 2018 and more likely 2019.

You never know...Usually if a coach is good it does not take long nor does it take long for a bad coach to ruin a good football team. Monken turned us back into a good FCS playoff team in year one when the previous coach that ran a different offense went 5-6. If it were not for NDSU and losing one year due to the transition he probably would have two NC's as well within four years.

Now look how quick our current HC took a winning team with better talent than the previous two years and f'ed it up.

(04-21-2017 10:53 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 09:42 AM)slycat Wrote:  TXST

It will be a rough year. Withers has called this year 1 of the rebuild and 2016 year 0. Don't expect much from the Bobcats until 2018 and more likely 2019.

You never know...Usually if a coach is good it does not take long nor does it take long for a bad coach to ruin a good football team. Monken turned us back into a good FCS playoff team in year one when the previous coach that ran a different offense went 5-6. If it were not for NDSU and losing one year due to the transition he probably would have two NC's as well within four years.

Now look how quick our current HC took a winning team with better talent than the previous two years and f'ed it up.

Totally depends on the situation. Getting a school from 5-6 to good doesn't need to take very long, because you're already starting with enough talent to win some games. But sometimes a program goes so far into the toilet it takes years to fix. Nick Saban or Urban Meyer wouldn't have made 2012 Idaho into a good team by 2013 or 2014 because there just weren't enough players and you can't fix that in one or two recruiting classes.

Texas State was also in pretty terrible shape a couple years ago. Last year they were in the "tries hard, but totally overmatched and no depth" phase. I'd expect them to look better this year and last longer into games but fade at the end, because they don't have enough guys who can play. Sometimes a little patience on a new coach is warranted.

(04-21-2017 10:53 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 09:42 AM)slycat Wrote:  TXST

It will be a rough year. Withers has called this year 1 of the rebuild and 2016 year 0. Don't expect much from the Bobcats until 2018 and more likely 2019.

You never know...Usually if a coach is good it does not take long nor does it take long for a bad coach to ruin a good football team. Monken turned us back into a good FCS playoff team in year one when the previous coach that ran a different offense went 5-6. If it were not for NDSU and losing one year due to the transition he probably would have two NC's as well within four years.

Now look how quick our current HC took a winning team with better talent than the previous two years and f'ed it up.

Look at Urban Meyer at OSU after Luke Fickle.

(04-21-2017 11:44 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:53 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 09:42 AM)slycat Wrote:  TXST

It will be a rough year. Withers has called this year 1 of the rebuild and 2016 year 0. Don't expect much from the Bobcats until 2018 and more likely 2019.

You never know...Usually if a coach is good it does not take long nor does it take long for a bad coach to ruin a good football team. Monken turned us back into a good FCS playoff team in year one when the previous coach that ran a different offense went 5-6. If it were not for NDSU and losing one year due to the transition he probably would have two NC's as well within four years.

Now look how quick our current HC took a winning team with better talent than the previous two years and f'ed it up.

Look at Urban Meyer at OSU after Luke Fickle.

Look at Troy after Larry Blakeney. (he was a phenomenal coach in his prime to be fair).

(04-21-2017 09:42 AM)slycat Wrote:  TXST

It will be a rough year. Withers has called this year 1 of the rebuild and 2016 year 0. Don't expect much from the Bobcats until 2018 and more likely 2019.

Look at Neal Brown at Troy... he took a 3-9 team that was depleted of talent and had lost to Abilene Christian, to a 4-8 record his first year, then a 10-3 record his second year.

Texas State has been loading up on talent, big time... I wouldn't be surprised if yall had a decent season this year.

Cannot see how you guys/gals can compare the various "units" in the SBC.

It was an effort just to compare the the various position rankings of A-State from 2016 and 2017.

Used 247, and their game notes from their bowl game (to establish who exactly were the players on the "units"), and then asked a fan which of the newbies might join them in 2017.

Looks like their average player rating on 247 will be down at corner back, quarter back, defensive end, linebacker and receiver, up a little at nickle, safety, and the offensive line, and same at the a-back, tight end and running-back.

Year, Name, Rating, Position,
2016 Blaise Taylor 0.8251 DBC
2016 Chris Humes 0.8509 DBC
2016 Brandon Byner 0.7000 DBC
2016 N. Wagner 0.8220 DBC
AVG 0.7995

2017 Blaise Taylor 0.8251 DBC
2017 N. Wagner 0.8220 DBC
2017 Brandon Byner 0.7000 DBC
2017 Kyle Martin NA DBC
AVG 0.7824 DOWN

2016 Justin Clifton 0.7883 DBN
2016 Trenton Ellis 0.7810 DBN
AVG 0.7847

2017 Justin Clifton 0.7883 DBN
2016 Ben Sukut 0.8273 DBN
AVG 0.8078 UP

2016 Cody Brown 0.7667 DBS
2016 Money Hunter 0.7778 DBS
2016 BJ Edmonds 0.8321 DBS
2016 Mark Johnson 0.7544 DBS
AVG 0.7908

2017 BJ Edmonds 0.8321 DBS
2017 Jeff Gibson 0.7900 DBS
2017 Darreon Jackson 0.8360 DBS
2017 Michael Johnson 0.8463 DBS
AVG 0.8261 UP

2016 Caleb Caston 0.7533 DE
2016 Chris Odom 0.7783 DE
2016 Griffin Riggs 0.8302 DE
2016 Ja’Von Rolland‐Jones 0.7400 DE
2016 Chase Robison 0.8297 DE
2016 Jarrod Chandler 0.7733 DE
AVG 0.7841

2017 Ja’Von Rolland‐Jones 0.7400 DE
2017 Ronheen Bingham 0.7752 DE
2017 Caleb Caston 0.7533 DE
2017 DaJon Emory 0.8000 DE
2017 Griffin Riggs 0.8302 DE
2016 William Bradley-King 0.7857 DE
AVG 0.7807 DOWN

2016 Jake Swalley 0.7919 DL
2016 Waylon Robertson 0.7867 DL
2016 Dee Liner 0.9756 DL
2016 Dovonon Ransom 0.7826 DL
AVG 0.8342

2017 Dee Liner 0.9756 DL
2017 Dovonon Ransom 0.7826 DL
2017 Josh Curry 0.7793 DL
2017 Tony Adams 0.7752 DL
AVG 0.8282 DOWN

2016 Tajhea Chambers 0.8137 LB
2016 Xavier Woodson 0.8094 LB
2016 Khari Lain 0.8015 LB
2016 Kyle Wilson 0.7600 LB
AVG 0.7962

2017 Khari Lain 0.8015 LB
2017 Kyle Wilson 0.7600 LB
2017 Tajhea Chambers 0.8137 LB
2017 Trenton Ellis 0.7810 LB
2017 Kirk Louis 0.7952 LB
AVG 0.7903 DOWN

2016 Austin Moreton 0.7000 OL
2016 Colton Jackson 0.7824 OL
2016 Devin Mondie 0.7519 OL
2016 Jemar Clark 0.8493 OL
2016 Joseph Bacchus 0.7852 OL
2016 Brandon Berg 0.7585 OL
2016 Jamal Fontenot NA OL
2016 Robert Maxwell NA OL
2016 Troy Elliott 0.7850 OL
2016 Dalton Ford 0.8081 OL
AVG 0.7776

2017 Chase Johnson 0.7826 OL
2017 Dalton Ford 0.8081 OL
2017 Jaypee Philbert 0.8528 OL
2017 Lanard Bonner 0.8000 OL
2017 Troy Elliott 0.7850 OL
2017 Jacob Still 0.7817 OL
2017 Jamal Fontenot NA OL
2017 Marvis Brown III 0.7991 OL
2017 Nour-Eddine Seidnaly 0.7826 OL
2017 Jacob Atnib 0.7850 OL
AVG 0.7974 UP

2016 Justice Hansen 0.8530 QB
2016 Chad Voytik 0.9177 QB
0.8854

2017 Justice Hansen 0.8530 QB
2017 Logan Bonner 0.7893 QB
AVG 0.8212 DOWN

2016 Warren Wand 0.7959 RB
2016 Johnston White NA RB
AVG 0.7877

2017 Warren Wand 0.7959 RB
2017 Johnston White NA RB
AVG 0.7877 SAME

2016 Blake Mack 0.7959 TE
2016 Jonah Hill 0.7433 TE
AVG 0.7696

2017 Blake Mack 0.7959 TE
2017 Jonah Hill 0.7433 TE
AVG 0.7696 SAME

2016 Dijon Paschal 0.8315 WR
2016 Kendall Sanders 0.9492 WR
2016 Chris Murray 0.7783 WR
2017 Justin McInnis 0.8530 WR
2016 Omar Bayless 0.8133 WR
AVG 0.8451

2017 Dijon Paschal 0.8315 WR
2017 Omar Bayless 0.8133 WR
2017 Chris Murray 0.7783 WR
2017 Kendrick Edwards II 0.8458 WR
2017 Justin McInnis 0.8530 WR
AVG 0.8244 DOWN

2016 Cameron Echols-Luper 0.8588 WRAB
2016 Christian Booker 0.8389 WRAB
2016 Sterling Stowers NA WRAB
AVG 0.8489

2017 Cameron Echols-Luper 0.8588 WRAB
2017 Christian Booker 0.8389 WRAB
2017 Sterling Stowers NA WRAB
AVG 0.8489 SAME

For A-State fans I know that Armond Weh Weh(0.8300), is expected to be a big contributor at Rb, Avery Johnson( .8000)
at TE, but they only showed two players at those positions on the game notes.

True freshman Dwayne Fisher (.8463) could also join the OL, or even the DL.

For the fans of the other SBC teams, you get to see how the 2017 A-State "units" are expected to compare to the 2016 "units", who 247 said had the best roster of talent in 2016 , using their rating's for those players as a standard candle.

At least you can compare your players "rankings" to theirs until 247 publishes the 2017 Team talent rankings.

I now have a "feel" of how the 2017 A-State team compares to the 2016 team with numbers from a semi-credible source.

Just for the A-State fans, as far as the expected starters, it does appear that your team will be better than 2016, on both sides of the ball as far as their 247 ratings.

Based on what I've been told about how spring practice has gone the improvement is more than just on paper, and at some point the 2017 team will almost certainly be better than the 2016 team, but not sure how they compare to the other SBC teams, but my guess is they will again compare favorably.

Defense
2016 Blaise Taylor 0.8251 DBC
2016 Chris Humes 0.8509 DBC
2016 Justin Clifton 0.7883 DBN
2016 Cody Brown 0.7667 DBS
2016 Money Hunter 0.7778 DBS
2016 Chris Odom 0.7783 DE
2016 Ja’Von Rolland‐Jones 0.7400 DE
2016 Jake Swalley 0.7919 DL
2016 Waylon Robertson 0.7867 DL
2016 Xavier Woodson 0.8094 LB
2016 Kyle Wilson 0.7600 LB
AVG 0.7886

2017 Blaise Taylor 0.8251 DBC
2017 Nehemiah Wagner 0.822 DBC
2017 Justin Clifton 0.7883 DBN
2017 BJ Edmonds 0.8321 DBS
2017 Jeff Gibson 0.7900 DBS
2017 Ja’Von Rolland‐Jones 0.7400 DE
2017 Caleb Caston 0.7533 DE
2017 Dee Liner 0.9756 DL
2017 Dovonon Ransom 0.7826 DL
2017 Khari Lain 0.8015 LB
2017 Kyle Wilson 0.7600 LB
AVG 0.8064 UP

Offense
2016 Austin Moreton 0.7000 OL
2016 Colton Jackson 0.7824 OL
2016 Devin Mondie 0.7519 OL
2016 Jemar Clark 0.8493 OL
2016 Joseph Bacchus 0.7852 OL
2016 Justice Hansen 0.8530 QB
2016 Warren Wand 0.7959 RB
2016 Blake Mack 0.7959 TE
2016 Dijon Paschal 0.8315 WR
2016 Kendall Sanders 0.9492 WR
2016 Cameron Echols-Luper 0.8588 WRAB
AVG 0.8139

2017 Dalton Ford 0.8081 OL
2017 Jaypee Philbert 0.8528 OL
2017 Lanard Bonner 0.8000 OL
2017 Jacob Still 0.7817 OL
2017 Marvis Brown III 0.7991 OL
2017 Justice Hansen 0.8530 QB
2017 Warren Wand 0.7959 RB
2017 Blake Mack 0.7959 TE
2017 Dijon Paschal 0.8315 WR
2017 Chris Murray 0.7783 WR
2017 Cameron Echols-Luper 0.8588 WRAB
AVG 0.8141 UP

(04-21-2017 12:19 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 09:42 AM)slycat Wrote:  TXST

It will be a rough year. Withers has called this year 1 of the rebuild and 2016 year 0. Don't expect much from the Bobcats until 2018 and more likely 2019.

Look at Neal Brown at Troy... he took a 3-9 team that was depleted of talent and had lost to Abilene Christian, to a 4-8 record his first year, then a 10-3 record his second year.

Texas State has been loading up on talent, big time... I wouldn't be surprised if yall had a decent season this year.

I think the offense will be better because there is more depth on the offensive line. The defense has me worried. It was reported they got manhandled at the spring game. The d-line is looking rough. Hopefully some true freshmen come in and make an impact right away.