(04-20-2017 01:17 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I root for all AAC schools when they aren't playing Cincinnati. I love hearing about good news on this board -- landing recruits, hiring coaches, players winning awards, facility upgrades, etc. I figure some fans of other schools do as well, which is why I shared this.

And it's not just about these two recruits. It's the general inertia of the program under Luke Fickell. Local recruits are very excited about the program and the local guys we have signed are actively recruiting other players from the Cincinnati area. Ohio is consistently one of the top 5 states for college football recruits and Cincinnati is a big reason why. We have multiple Catholic schools that compete on the national level, as well as a lot of large public schools that are hot beds for Division I college football players.

Coach Fickell is pretty much replicating what Tom Herman did with his H-town takeover. The talent level is going to go up big time and I think by year 2, Cincinnati will be competing for conference championships again.

Fickell may turn out to be a great coach but didn't he go 6-7 in his one year at Ohio State (sandwiched between a 1 loss season under Tressel and an undefeated season under Meyer)? Also, he was the second chair under the actual defensive coordinators at Ohio State (Chris Ash and Greg Schiano) and had very little say in how the defenses were run. He looks like he is doing well recruiting but it will be interesting to see how he does as the head coach when the games are played.

(04-20-2017 05:52 AM)bctn8n Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 09:48 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 09:08 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  The urban Meyer coaching tree...nothing shady about that

Ha Tree puns. I know, I'll leaf now.

That is nothing to bark at

Low hanging fruit...I may leave if we don't get to the root of the problem though.

(04-20-2017 08:34 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 01:17 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I root for all AAC schools when they aren't playing Cincinnati. I love hearing about good news on this board -- landing recruits, hiring coaches, players winning awards, facility upgrades, etc. I figure some fans of other schools do as well, which is why I shared this.

And it's not just about these two recruits. It's the general inertia of the program under Luke Fickell. Local recruits are very excited about the program and the local guys we have signed are actively recruiting other players from the Cincinnati area. Ohio is consistently one of the top 5 states for college football recruits and Cincinnati is a big reason why. We have multiple Catholic schools that compete on the national level, as well as a lot of large public schools that are hot beds for Division I college football players.

Coach Fickell is pretty much replicating what Tom Herman did with his H-town takeover. The talent level is going to go up big time and I think by year 2, Cincinnati will be competing for conference championships again.

Fickell may turn out to be a great coach but didn't he go 6-7 in his one year at Ohio State (sandwiched between a 1 loss season under Tressel and an undefeated season under Meyer)? Also, he was the second chair under the actual defensive coordinators at Ohio State (Chris Ash and Greg Schiano) and had very little say in how the defenses were run. He looks like he is doing well recruiting but it will be interesting to see how he does as the head coach when the games are played.

True, but to play devil's advocate...try to imagine being a first-time head coach and having to lead a bunch of 4 and 5 star pre-madonnas through the Big Ten after losing the highly regarded head coach that they came to Ohio State to play for.


Talk about a learning experience...and then get to coach under Meyer and watch him lead a program for a few years.

(04-20-2017 08:54 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 08:34 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 01:17 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I root for all AAC schools when they aren't playing Cincinnati. I love hearing about good news on this board -- landing recruits, hiring coaches, players winning awards, facility upgrades, etc. I figure some fans of other schools do as well, which is why I shared this.

And it's not just about these two recruits. It's the general inertia of the program under Luke Fickell. Local recruits are very excited about the program and the local guys we have signed are actively recruiting other players from the Cincinnati area. Ohio is consistently one of the top 5 states for college football recruits and Cincinnati is a big reason why. We have multiple Catholic schools that compete on the national level, as well as a lot of large public schools that are hot beds for Division I college football players.

Coach Fickell is pretty much replicating what Tom Herman did with his H-town takeover. The talent level is going to go up big time and I think by year 2, Cincinnati will be competing for conference championships again.

Fickell may turn out to be a great coach but didn't he go 6-7 in his one year at Ohio State (sandwiched between a 1 loss season under Tressel and an undefeated season under Meyer)? Also, he was the second chair under the actual defensive coordinators at Ohio State (Chris Ash and Greg Schiano) and had very little say in how the defenses were run. He looks like he is doing well recruiting but it will be interesting to see how he does as the head coach when the games are played.

True, but to play devil's advocate...try to imagine being a first-time head coach and having to lead a bunch of 4 and 5 star pre-madonnas through the Big Ten after losing the highly regarded head coach that they came to Ohio State to play for.


Talk about a learning experience...and then get to coach under Meyer and watch him lead a program for a few years.

Also, if you actually look at that year, it was fairly successful given the suspensions. They lost one game (Miami of Florida) by more than 6 points...games which included #9 Michigan, #10 Michigan State, #24 Nebraska, #25 Penn State and they beat #11 Wisconsin...so really, 3 plays go different ways and they're 9-4.

^^ A few more things about that 6-7 year at OSU:

1. 5 of the best players on the team were suspended for 5-6 weeks for receiving improper benefits.
2. The QBs that year were Joe Bauserman (just god awful) and true freshman Braxton Miller. Miller was not quite ready for prime time to start the season so they went with Bauserman, who spent his first few years at OSU wearing a baseball cap and holding a clip board. Bauserman could not hit the broad side of a barn.
3. It wasn't as if OSU got rolled by anyone that season. They lost to Michigan State 10-7, Nebraska beat them 34-27, Penn State beat them 20-14, Michigan beat them 40-34 and Purdue won 26-23. They lost to Florida in the Gator Bowl 24-17.
4. Apparently there were some limitations put on him by the AD. He was not allowed to make any staff changes or changes in scheme to adjust for talent.


All this being said, his in-game coaching is the biggest question mark at this point. Fickell has said this was a great learning experience for him. Who knows what will develop in the future-- maybe UC is in store for a big run under him, maybe he will just be one of those guys who can recruit but can't coach. All I know is I am very pleased with where things look at this point.

BTW, 247 adjusted the composite scores of one of our recruits and as of this morning UC has moved up a spot to #28.

This all sounds like good news for Cincinnati and the AAC.

(04-19-2017 09:48 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 09:08 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  The urban Meyer coaching tree...nothing shady about that

Ha Tree puns. I know, I'll leaf now.

To be honest, this all stems from jealousy. The root of the animosity is the fact that Meyer repeatedly wins championships while Tulane repeatedly wins least relevant program in the AAC.

(04-20-2017 09:18 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  This all sounds like good news for Cincinnati and the AAC.

I really do think it will be similar to Tom Herman at Houston. Unfortunately, I think Tuberville left the cupboard a bit more bare than Levine did.

(04-20-2017 01:17 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  I root for all AAC schools when they aren't playing Cincinnati. I love hearing about good news on this board -- landing recruits, hiring coaches, players winning awards, facility upgrades, etc. I figure some fans of other schools do as well, which is why I shared this.

And it's not just about these two recruits. It's the general inertia of the program under Luke Fickell. Local recruits are very excited about the program and the local guys we have signed are actively recruiting other players from the Cincinnati area. Ohio is consistently one of the top 5 states for college football recruits and Cincinnati is a big reason why. We have multiple Catholic schools that compete on the national level, as well as a lot of large public schools that are hot beds for Division I college football players.

Coach Fickell is pretty much replicating what Tom Herman did with his H-town takeover. The talent level is going to go up big time and I think by year 2, Cincinnati will be competing for conference championships again.

I root for Superflybearcat; I have a soft spot in my heart for the mentally challenged.

(04-20-2017 06:50 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 09:09 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^^ A few more things about that 6-7 year at OSU:

1. 5 of the best players on the team were suspended for 5-6 weeks for receiving improper benefits.
2. The QBs that year were Joe Bauserman (just god awful) and true freshman Braxton Miller. Miller was not quite ready for prime time to start the season so they went with Bauserman, who spent his first few years at OSU wearing a baseball cap and holding a clip board. Bauserman could not hit the broad side of a barn.
3. It wasn't as if OSU got rolled by anyone that season. They lost to Michigan State 10-7, Nebraska beat them 34-27, Penn State beat them 20-14, Michigan beat them 40-34 and Purdue won 26-23. They lost to Florida in the Gator Bowl 24-17.
4. Apparently there were some limitations put on him by the AD. He was not allowed to make any staff changes or changes in scheme to adjust for talent.


All this being said, his in-game coaching is the biggest question mark at this point. Fickell has said this was a great learning experience for him. Who knows what will develop in the future-- maybe UC is in store for a big run under him, maybe he will just be one of those guys who can recruit but can't coach. All I know is I am very pleased with where things look at this point.

BTW, 247 adjusted the composite scores of one of our recruits and as of this morning UC has moved up a spot to #28.

Toledo almost knocked off the bucknuts at the shoe that year, and probably would have, if not for the 14-2 discrepancy in penalties (102 yards vs 13 yards penalized on o$u) ...

(04-20-2017 07:02 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 06:50 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 09:09 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^^ A few more things about that 6-7 year at OSU:

1. 5 of the best players on the team were suspended for 5-6 weeks for receiving improper benefits.
2. The QBs that year were Joe Bauserman (just god awful) and true freshman Braxton Miller. Miller was not quite ready for prime time to start the season so they went with Bauserman, who spent his first few years at OSU wearing a baseball cap and holding a clip board. Bauserman could not hit the broad side of a barn.
3. It wasn't as if OSU got rolled by anyone that season. They lost to Michigan State 10-7, Nebraska beat them 34-27, Penn State beat them 20-14, Michigan beat them 40-34 and Purdue won 26-23. They lost to Florida in the Gator Bowl 24-17.
4. Apparently there were some limitations put on him by the AD. He was not allowed to make any staff changes or changes in scheme to adjust for talent.


All this being said, his in-game coaching is the biggest question mark at this point. Fickell has said this was a great learning experience for him. Who knows what will develop in the future-- maybe UC is in store for a big run under him, maybe he will just be one of those guys who can recruit but can't coach. All I know is I am very pleased with where things look at this point.

BTW, 247 adjusted the composite scores of one of our recruits and as of this morning UC has moved up a spot to #28.

Toledo almost knocked off the bucknuts at the shoe that year, and probably would have, if not for the 14-2 discrepancy in penalties (102 yards vs 13 yards penalized on o$u) ...

Pretty amazing for a DII school.

(04-20-2017 08:05 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 07:02 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 06:50 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 09:09 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^^ A few more things about that 6-7 year at OSU:

1. 5 of the best players on the team were suspended for 5-6 weeks for receiving improper benefits.
2. The QBs that year were Joe Bauserman (just god awful) and true freshman Braxton Miller. Miller was not quite ready for prime time to start the season so they went with Bauserman, who spent his first few years at OSU wearing a baseball cap and holding a clip board. Bauserman could not hit the broad side of a barn.
3. It wasn't as if OSU got rolled by anyone that season. They lost to Michigan State 10-7, Nebraska beat them 34-27, Penn State beat them 20-14, Michigan beat them 40-34 and Purdue won 26-23. They lost to Florida in the Gator Bowl 24-17.
4. Apparently there were some limitations put on him by the AD. He was not allowed to make any staff changes or changes in scheme to adjust for talent.


All this being said, his in-game coaching is the biggest question mark at this point. Fickell has said this was a great learning experience for him. Who knows what will develop in the future-- maybe UC is in store for a big run under him, maybe he will just be one of those guys who can recruit but can't coach. All I know is I am very pleased with where things look at this point.

BTW, 247 adjusted the composite scores of one of our recruits and as of this morning UC has moved up a spot to #28.

Toledo almost knocked off the bucknuts at the shoe that year, and probably would have, if not for the 14-2 discrepancy in penalties (102 yards vs 13 yards penalized on o$u) ...

Pretty amazing for a DII school.

Eric Page ran wild in that game...and oddly enough, I'm fairly certain that "D2 School" beat us the next year. Full disclosure I'm a Toledo native and a member of faculty and administrative staff at UT, so comments like that piss me off even if I'm not a fan of the University's athletics teams over my alma mater (UC)

Toledo is the class of the MAC and has been for a while.

The Rockets have been steady through the 50 + years in it's MAC history with pretty decent OOC wins - Michigan. Penn State, Arkansas, and{#9 at the time Pitt}...
Major drawback has always been the proximity to several football powers (Michigan, O$U, Notre Dame, and Michigan State). All within 150 miles of UT. Having to deal with that fact, Toledo sometimes seems to disappear in local media coverage. Kind of like the Bermuda Triangle effect. On my trips down to Ciny, I have always been envious that the locals seem to support the Bearcats on a greater level than that obnoxious program up in C-bus. Kudos to that ...
Just hoping, that someday, an AAC invite, could help rectify the problem of always having to be second rate, meaning by media coverage/fan support, to the buckeyes/wolverines... .

(04-21-2017 07:38 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  The Rockets have been steady through the 50 + years in it's MAC history with pretty decent OOC wins - Michigan. Penn State, Arkansas, and{#9 at the time Pitt}...
Major drawback has always been the proximity to several football powers (Michigan, O$U, Notre Dame, and Michigan State). All within 150 miles of UT. Having to deal with that fact, Toledo sometimes seems to disappear in local media coverage. Kind of like the Bermuda Triangle effect. On my trips down to Ciny, I have always been envious that the locals seem to support the Bearcats on a greater level than that obnoxious program up in C-bus. Kudos to that ...
Just hoping, that someday, an AAC invite, could help rectify the problem of always having to be second rate, meaning by media coverage/fan support, to the buckeyes/wolverines... .

I was pulling for Toledo's inclusion, both for personal/professional reasons and because I would love to see a rivalry build with them from UC's perspective. Similar schools in background and a very easy road trip. Plus, MOB has got the Athletic Department to being one of the most stable non-P5 AD's from both a revenue/financial standpoint and a talent retention level (although they need to move on from Coach K if we're looking at things objectively).

(04-19-2017 12:56 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 12:51 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 12:23 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 12:12 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Looks like Cincinnati has figured it out, just open the big check book and bingo! Great recruits everywhere
Honesty will get you nowhere in college football

You have anything to back that up douche nozzle? Where were you when UH was reaping the benefits of a young, hungry, excellent recruiter?

I gotta hand it to ya rtaylor, I've never been called a " douche nozzle " before now...so that's something.
Let's see where was I ? Hmmmm, well I was in Houston...

Again. Anything to back that up? I am sure you took offense to anyone saying the same when Herman was at UH, or was he cheating?

Not sure why you get hot and bothered over a plausible explanation.

As a Bearcat fan, I wondered how Houston managed to recruit better than its nearby P5 rivals and wondered if $$$$ was being tossed around. Now we have Fickell doing what all other coaches were unable to do - and UC has had some good coaches.

With that said, committing is not signing and it will be interesting to see how many of these stars cross the dotted line.

Must be that Cincinnati chili. Maybe DairyWhip should put it on the menu

If AAC was going to add anyone out of the MAC, Toledo was my first choice by far. Fits the profile and usually a very solid football school.

As for Herman, I never thought he was dishing out $$$. He just seemed to get the kids on campus then connect with them and they like what he was selling.

I am impressed what Fickell has been able to do in a short time. He is a much needed infusion of energy and accountability the program needs. I think UC can start pulling their weight football wise in 2 years.

(04-21-2017 11:45 AM)bearcat29 Wrote:  If AAC was going to add anyone out of the MAC, Toledo was my first choice by far. Fits the profile and usually a very solid football school.

As for Herman, I never thought he was dishing out $$$. He just seemed to get the kids on campus then connect with them and they like what he was selling.

I am impressed what Fickell has been able to do in a short time. He is a much needed infusion of energy and accountability the program needs. I think UC can start pulling their weight football wise in 2 years.

I have to imagine Fickell was paying attention to what Herman was doing at Houston. Obviously he already knew the talent in Cincinnati from all his years recruiting for OSU, but seeing what Herman did at Houston probably made the Cincinnati job even more attractive.

(04-21-2017 10:49 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 12:56 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 12:51 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 12:23 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 12:12 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Looks like Cincinnati has figured it out, just open the big check book and bingo! Great recruits everywhere
Honesty will get you nowhere in college football

You have anything to back that up douche nozzle? Where were you when UH was reaping the benefits of a young, hungry, excellent recruiter?

I gotta hand it to ya rtaylor, I've never been called a " douche nozzle " before now...so that's something.
Let's see where was I ? Hmmmm, well I was in Houston...

Again. Anything to back that up? I am sure you took offense to anyone saying the same when Herman was at UH, or was he cheating?

Not sure why you get hot and bothered over a plausible explanation.

As a Bearcat fan, I wondered how Houston managed to recruit better than its nearby P5 rivals and wondered if $$$$ was being tossed around. Now we have Fickell doing what all other coaches were unable to do - and UC has had some good coaches.

With that said, committing is not signing and it will be interesting to see how many of these stars cross the dotted line.

What did I miss? What was the plausible explanation?