(04-19-2017 10:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And one neat thing that I never knew before, all presidential returns by law are audited by the IRS.

So if Trump wasn't under audit before, HE IS NOW!

GREAT!! So your concerns about transparency are completely invalid.

(04-20-2017 10:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  1. Never said Trump is required because he isn't.
2. This isn't just someone. It's the president.
3. What he may be hiding would be stuff from the public, not from the IRS of course. And it could be and probably is totally legal. But if it deals with foreign governments, you as a voting citizen of America, should care about that.

So someone engaging in something that according to one of the most aggressive agencies in the country is 'totally legal' (and your 'could be and probably is is a bit disingenuous, don't you think? This is exactly what the IRS is charged to 'police')... then why should voting citizens care? Other than to create false implications to stupid people and argue about what laws mean rather than defer to the agencies charged with interpreting them. How is this any more of my business than what sex acts consenting adults engage in?

If it really IS something we need to know, then why ISN'T it a requirement?

The fact that he's the President doesn't mean he's any less entitled to Constitutional protections than anyone else.

If it's legal (and I'm sure the IRS shares info with the Justice department and the FERC) then you're just blowing smoke. It's been proved over and over that the average person doesn't know what is and isn't in a tax disclosure. Certainly 'money laundering' wouldn't be disclosed there. All the form would show is that he sold property for more than he paid for it and paid the proper amount of taxes on it.

You obviously simply want more information (that most people don't understand) with which to create 'false news'.

Many, including Jason Chaffetz are saying that it should be a requirement. Along with medical records. And I agree.

(04-20-2017 11:32 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  You obviously simply want more information (that most people don't understand) with which to create 'false news'.

Republican Talking Point #1. Nicely done.

How much false news has ever been created from any of the prior presidents or candidates tax returns?

I still can't fathom that you guys say that you don't care one iota how much business Trump is doing with foreign governments and banks.

Not that his tax returns would necessarily speak to all of it, but it would provide a decent window. But you guys are also wanting to turn a blind eye to his business dealings as well, so...

The only care about D scandals. Get with the program RWT.

(04-18-2017 07:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 07:00 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Can't be worse than our current clown of a president calling on Russia to hack Hillary's emails. His taxes probably show him laundering Russian mob money.

You just makeup things as you type? It should be a week timeout after the 5th, 6th, 50th time. I want to see a link to the part in bold.

As for your last statement....

you really can't be that stupid?

He teaches Lite Bright in college, you tell me.

(04-20-2017 11:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Many, including Jason Chaffetz are saying that it should be a requirement. Along with medical records. And I agree.

...and college transcripts. Which the previous President refused to do. What was he trying to hide?

(04-20-2017 05:15 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 11:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Many, including Jason Chaffetz are saying that it should be a requirement. Along with medical records. And I agree.

...and college transcripts. Which the previous President refused to do. What was he trying to hide?

Good grades most likely. I don't believe hardly any presidents have released their college transcripts. Bush's only got out because someone leaked them.

(04-20-2017 11:32 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 10:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And one neat thing that I never knew before, all presidential returns by law are audited by the IRS.

So if Trump wasn't under audit before, HE IS NOW!

GREAT!! So your concerns about transparency are completely invalid.

This^^ Pretty much makes all the rest of this jibber jabber pointless.

(04-21-2017 09:57 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 11:32 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 10:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And one neat thing that I never knew before, all presidential returns by law are audited by the IRS.

So if Trump wasn't under audit before, HE IS NOW!

GREAT!! So your concerns about transparency are completely invalid.

This^^ Pretty much makes all the rest of this jibber jabber pointless.

No, that's ridiculous. The IRS will audit the return. That's not the same as making the return public which by law they still cannot do. Making the return public is transparency. Again, I've never accused Trump of breaking any laws on his tax return.

(04-20-2017 10:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  1. Never said Trump is required because he isn't.
2. This isn't just someone. It's the president.
3. What he may be hiding would be stuff from the public, not from the IRS of course. And it could be and probably is totally legal. But if it deals with foreign governments, you as a voting citizen of America, should care about that.

Then this should end this conversation.

(04-20-2017 11:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I still can't fathom that you guys say that you don't care one iota how much business Trump is doing with foreign governments and banks.

Not that his tax returns would necessarily speak to all of it, but it would provide a decent window. But you guys are also wanting to turn a blind eye to his business dealings as well, so...

The Constitution has the only legal requirements for President:

one must be 35 years of age,
a resident "within the United States" for 14 years, and a
"natural born Citizen,"

There is no requirement for anything up to or including:

tax returns
medical transcripts
college records

Why is the Constitution not good enough for people!

(04-21-2017 10:02 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 11:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I still can't fathom that you guys say that you don't care one iota how much business Trump is doing with foreign governments and banks.

Not that his tax returns would necessarily speak to all of it, but it would provide a decent window. But you guys are also wanting to turn a blind eye to his business dealings as well, so...

The Constitution has the only legal requirements for President:

one must be 35 years of age,
a resident "within the United States" for 14 years, and a
"natural born Citizen,"

There is no requirement for anything up to or including:

tax returns
medical transcripts
college records

Why is the Constitution not good enough for people!

Heck, lots of them would rather just trash the document.

(04-21-2017 10:05 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:02 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 11:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I still can't fathom that you guys say that you don't care one iota how much business Trump is doing with foreign governments and banks.

Not that his tax returns would necessarily speak to all of it, but it would provide a decent window. But you guys are also wanting to turn a blind eye to his business dealings as well, so...

The Constitution has the only legal requirements for President:

one must be 35 years of age,
a resident "within the United States" for 14 years, and a
"natural born Citizen,"

There is no requirement for anything up to or including:

tax returns
medical transcripts
college records

Why is the Constitution not good enough for people!

Heck, lots of them would rather just trash the document.

Name one.

(04-20-2017 11:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Many, including Jason Chaffetz are saying that it should be a requirement. Along with medical records. And I agree.

Then get busy and make it a law. Until then? Nothing anyone can do about it but ***** and complain.

(04-21-2017 10:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:05 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:02 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 11:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I still can't fathom that you guys say that you don't care one iota how much business Trump is doing with foreign governments and banks.

Not that his tax returns would necessarily speak to all of it, but it would provide a decent window. But you guys are also wanting to turn a blind eye to his business dealings as well, so...

The Constitution has the only legal requirements for President:

one must be 35 years of age,
a resident "within the United States" for 14 years, and a
"natural born Citizen,"

There is no requirement for anything up to or including:

tax returns
medical transcripts
college records

Why is the Constitution not good enough for people!

Heck, lots of them would rather just trash the document.

Name one.

Oh, I don't know. Start with the ones that want to abolish the electoral college and then move to the ones that want to abolish the 2nd amendment. Pretty sure the 1st amendment isn't on many's favorite list as well.

I really haven't paid much attention to the 'Trump calls for Russia to hack emails' story.... but I just now read that portion of this thread and I'm literally laughing out loud at the stupidity of the left on this....

So the DNC (or Hillary or some other 'left' group) is put under a legally binding order to produce ALL of their emails, and they claim they've lost 30,000 of them (whether they actually claim that specifically or not is immaterial)... these emails supposedly don't exist/can't be produced...

so what is Trump asking to be hacked?

Hint... the DNC was notified in 2015 that they (along with likely everyone else in the world) were the subject of attempted breaches... i suspect that is why Trump said 'maybe THEY can find them'.... because the attempts were in 'the common vernacular at the time'

https://www.wired.com/2016/07/heres-know...-dnc-hack/

News of the hack of the Democratic National Committee first broke in mid-June (2016). That’s when Crowdstrike, a firm that analyzes threats to network security, revealed that the DNC had called it in to inspect the party’s servers, where it found “two separate Russian intelligence-affiliated adversaries present in the DNC network.” Crowdstrike released a comprehensive report of its findings on June 14, which accompanied a Washington Post article detailing the attacks. One of the hacking groups, Crowdstrike found, had access to the DNC servers for almost a year. (meaning summer 2015)

Also from the article

But some of the most compelling evidence linking the DNC breach to Russia was found at the beginning of July by Thomas Rid, a professor at King’s College in London, who discovered an identical command-and-control address hardcoded into the DNC malware that was also found on malware used to hack the German Parliament in 2015. (around the same time)

So while the hacking may well have been the Russians, the DNC was informed about it LONG before the 'content in question' (the detrimental emails revealed before the election) were written.... and since Trump was one of perhaps a dozen candidates in 2015, and not a particularly compelling one... to claim that he was behind THAT is pure fantasy.

(04-21-2017 01:12 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:05 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:02 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 11:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I still can't fathom that you guys say that you don't care one iota how much business Trump is doing with foreign governments and banks.

Not that his tax returns would necessarily speak to all of it, but it would provide a decent window. But you guys are also wanting to turn a blind eye to his business dealings as well, so...

The Constitution has the only legal requirements for President:

one must be 35 years of age,
a resident "within the United States" for 14 years, and a
"natural born Citizen,"

There is no requirement for anything up to or including:

tax returns
medical transcripts
college records

Why is the Constitution not good enough for people!

Heck, lots of them would rather just trash the document.

Name one.

Oh, I don't know. Start with the ones that want to abolish the electoral college and then move to the ones that want to abolish the 2nd amendment. Pretty sure the 1st amendment isn't on many's favorite list as well.

Wanting changes to the original Constitution and its amendments or calling for additional amendments is not trashing the document. In fact, that's exactly what the framers wrote into the original Constitution...the ability to change it.

When you said trash, I took that to mean throwing out the whole thing...as putting it in the trash.

(04-21-2017 09:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 05:15 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 11:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Many, including Jason Chaffetz are saying that it should be a requirement. Along with medical records. And I agree.

...and college transcripts. Which the previous President refused to do. What was he trying to hide?

Good grades most likely. I don't believe hardly any presidents have released their college transcripts. Bush's only got out because someone leaked them.

If he truly had "good grades", then there was no rational reason to hide his college transcripts. No it's more likely there was something in there President Obama didn't want the public to see. Something so damaging that if it got out it would sink his candidacy for the Presidency.

(04-21-2017 10:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:05 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:02 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 11:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I still can't fathom that you guys say that you don't care one iota how much business Trump is doing with foreign governments and banks.

Not that his tax returns would necessarily speak to all of it, but it would provide a decent window. But you guys are also wanting to turn a blind eye to his business dealings as well, so...

The Constitution has the only legal requirements for President:

one must be 35 years of age,
a resident "within the United States" for 14 years, and a
"natural born Citizen,"

There is no requirement for anything up to or including:

tax returns
medical transcripts
college records

Why is the Constitution not good enough for people!

Heck, lots of them would rather just trash the document.

Name one.

MplsBison
http://csnbbs.com/thread-815991-page-7.html

Post#63

Quote:The constitution was part of what enabled America to succeed early on.

Now it is more of a hindrance, than anything. Would like to see it scrapped, and start over.