(04-21-2017 03:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:05 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:02 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 11:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I still can't fathom that you guys say that you don't care one iota how much business Trump is doing with foreign governments and banks.

Not that his tax returns would necessarily speak to all of it, but it would provide a decent window. But you guys are also wanting to turn a blind eye to his business dealings as well, so...

The Constitution has the only legal requirements for President:

one must be 35 years of age,
a resident "within the United States" for 14 years, and a
"natural born Citizen,"

There is no requirement for anything up to or including:

tax returns
medical transcripts
college records

Why is the Constitution not good enough for people!

Heck, lots of them would rather just trash the document.

Name one.

MplsBison
http://csnbbs.com/thread-815991-page-7.html

Post#63

Quote:The constitution was part of what enabled America to succeed early on.

Now it is more of a hindrance, than anything. Would like to see it scrapped, and start over.

Thanks. That's one. He did say lots though.

(04-21-2017 03:24 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 09:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 05:15 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 11:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Many, including Jason Chaffetz are saying that it should be a requirement. Along with medical records. And I agree.

...and college transcripts. Which the previous President refused to do. What was he trying to hide?

Good grades most likely. I don't believe hardly any presidents have released their college transcripts. Bush's only got out because someone leaked them.

If he truly had "good grades", then there was no rational reason to hide his college transcripts. No it's more likely there was something in there President Obama didn't want the public to see. Something so damaging that if it got out it would sink his candidacy for the Presidency.

Then you'll agree there's no rational reason for Trump to hide his along with his tax and medical records then huh?

(04-21-2017 03:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:05 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:02 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  The Constitution has the only legal requirements for President:

one must be 35 years of age,
a resident "within the United States" for 14 years, and a
"natural born Citizen,"

There is no requirement for anything up to or including:

tax returns
medical transcripts
college records

Why is the Constitution not good enough for people!

Heck, lots of them would rather just trash the document.

Name one.

MplsBison
http://csnbbs.com/thread-815991-page-7.html

Post#63

Quote:The constitution was part of what enabled America to succeed early on.

Now it is more of a hindrance, than anything. Would like to see it scrapped, and start over.

Thanks. That's one. He did say lots though.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...it/281090/

Quote:America, we've got some bad news: Our Constitution isn't going to make it. It's had 224 years of commendable, often glorious service, but there's a time for everything, and the government shutdown and permanent-crisis governance signal that it's time to think about moving on.

http://www.salon.com/2014/09/27/we_need_...1_percent/

Quote:Though they haven’t articulated it as such, Americans want a new constitution that actually does what the original Constitution was supposed to do: serve the public good.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-ken...72288.html

Quote: America needs a brand new Constitution.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/10/...E-SABATO10

Quote:If we really want to make progress and achieve greater fairness as a society, it is time for elemental change. And we should start by looking at the Constitution, with the goal of holding a new Constitutional Convention.

(04-19-2017 09:01 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 07:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 07:00 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Can't be worse than our current clown of a president calling on Russia to hack Hillary's emails.

Umm, he didn't. But so what if he did?

Quote:His taxes probably show him laundering Russian mob money.

I can assure you "his taxes" won't show that. Number one, because I don't think he is doing so. More importantly, number two, tax returns would not show that if he were.

Just what information do you think goes on a tax return, anyway? More specifically, if he were laundering Russian mob money, where would that be shown on his tax return?

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(04-21-2017 03:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:24 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 09:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 05:15 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 11:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Many, including Jason Chaffetz are saying that it should be a requirement. Along with medical records. And I agree.

...and college transcripts. Which the previous President refused to do. What was he trying to hide?

Good grades most likely. I don't believe hardly any presidents have released their college transcripts. Bush's only got out because someone leaked them.

If he truly had "good grades", then there was no rational reason to hide his college transcripts. No it's more likely there was something in there President Obama didn't want the public to see. Something so damaging that if it got out it would sink his candidacy for the Presidency.

Then you'll agree there's no rational reason for Trump to hide his along with his tax and medical records then huh?

I'll agree that Trump and any other candidate should release his tax returns (although they are far more likely to confuse things than shed any light) if you will agree that Obama and every other presidential candidate (including Trump and Hillary) should release:

- Transcripts
- Birth certificate (the only thing for which there is a constitutional basis)
- Paper trail of all significant documents written in academia (dissertations, theses, etc.) and in the real world (journal articles, significant legal briefs, argumentative letters and other writings--anywhere that he/she took a position on an issue).
- Record of all votes taken in any governmental body
- Full medical records
- Full military records
- Personal financial statement, attested (review level) by a CPA (the only way to get the information that people keep claiming that tax returns would reveal)

How about that for a compromise?

(04-23-2017 12:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:24 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 09:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 05:15 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  ...and college transcripts. Which the previous President refused to do. What was he trying to hide?

Good grades most likely. I don't believe hardly any presidents have released their college transcripts. Bush's only got out because someone leaked them.

If he truly had "good grades", then there was no rational reason to hide his college transcripts. No it's more likely there was something in there President Obama didn't want the public to see. Something so damaging that if it got out it would sink his candidacy for the Presidency.

Then you'll agree there's no rational reason for Trump to hide his along with his tax and medical records then huh?

I'll agree that Trump and any other candidate should release his tax returns (although they are far more likely to confuse things than shed any light) if you will agree that Obama and every other presidential candidate (including Trump and Hillary) should release:

- Transcripts
- Birth certificate (the only thing for which there is a constitutional basis)
- Paper trail of all significant documents written in academia (dissertations, theses, etc.) and in the real world (journal articles, significant legal briefs, argumentative letters and other writings--anywhere that he/she took a position on an issue).
- Record of all votes taken in any governmental body
- Full medical records
- Full military records
- Personal financial statement, attested (review level) by a CPA (the only way to get the information that people keep claiming that tax returns would reveal)

How about that for a compromise?

how about this from the simple thinker....

the constitutional req't is still the only one valid......either party can vet the others (assuming they have ethical valuation as their mission statement......which we know they do not)

let journalism go back to being investigative/ethical and keep all other documents private that should remain private based on, "(although they are far more likely to confuse things than shed any light)"

how's that for not wanting to compromise?

(04-23-2017 01:15 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  how about this from the simple thinker....
the constitutional req't is still the only one valid......either party can vet the others (assuming they have ethical valuation as their mission statement......which we know they do not)
let journalism go back to being investigative/ethical and keep all other documents private that should remain private based on, "(although they are far more likely to confuse things than shed any light)"
how's that for not wanting to compromise?

My only reservation about that is that the vast majority of the media lean so far one way that I would expect a disproportionate effort leveled against one side for the benefit of the other.

(04-23-2017 05:32 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 01:15 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  how about this from the simple thinker....
the constitutional req't is still the only one valid......either party can vet the others (assuming they have ethical valuation as their mission statement......which we know they do not)
let journalism go back to being investigative/ethical and keep all other documents private that should remain private based on, "(although they are far more likely to confuse things than shed any light)"
how's that for not wanting to compromise?

My only reservation about that is that the vast majority of the media lean so far one way that I would expect a disproportionate effort leveled against one side for the benefit of the other.

is my concern as well.....however, I'm still unwilling to throw in the towel to give them more fodder to sift through and spin false narratives based on an agenda to their liking....

that sword is too sharp at this point....

my point is going back to the basics might lend to them actually doing the job they are supposedly trained to do......

there is no question they have collectively lost their minds due to the pressure of ad dollars driving the bus to survive....

(04-23-2017 12:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:24 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 09:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 05:15 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  ...and college transcripts. Which the previous President refused to do. What was he trying to hide?

Good grades most likely. I don't believe hardly any presidents have released their college transcripts. Bush's only got out because someone leaked them.

If he truly had "good grades", then there was no rational reason to hide his college transcripts. No it's more likely there was something in there President Obama didn't want the public to see. Something so damaging that if it got out it would sink his candidacy for the Presidency.

Then you'll agree there's no rational reason for Trump to hide his along with his tax and medical records then huh?

I'll agree that Trump and any other candidate should release his tax returns (although they are far more likely to confuse things than shed any light) if you will agree that Obama and every other presidential candidate (including Trump and Hillary) should release:

- Transcripts
- Birth certificate (the only thing for which there is a constitutional basis)
- Paper trail of all significant documents written in academia (dissertations, theses, etc.) and in the real world (journal articles, significant legal briefs, argumentative letters and other writings--anywhere that he/she took a position on an issue).
- Record of all votes taken in any governmental body
- Full medical records
- Full military records
- Personal financial statement, attested (review level) by a CPA (the only way to get the information that people keep claiming that tax returns would reveal)

How about that for a compromise?

As long as the same standard is applied to all and it's agreed upon by congress and clearly defined, sure.