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RE: Football Transfers
(05-02-2017 05:41 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
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(05-02-2017 01:07 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Who really knows what the suspensions were for...I'm going into the season thinking Hereford and Alls will miss several games. Anything less would be a pleasant surprise. We were never told, the DNR hasn't ferreted it out and Houston runs a tight ship (and tight lipped too). In theory, it could be a host of other reasons.

I would tend to agree that it would be unusual to have a player under any kind of suspension host a recruit Maybe they felt the ACC transfer tie-in was crucial?

The other thing that doesn't make sense to me is that Alls came here with a strike against him. The Duke press release exact words were, "Alls was suspended from game competition indefinitely in March for failure to "uphold the academic, athletic and community standards required of a member of the Blue Devil program." He was later released in November of 2015 for pretty much the same reasons. It would seem that anything too serious would be his walking papers.

Seems to me, a suspended player may be a good choice to host. "Coach doesn't BS. Do as he tells you 'cause we are all treated the same" is a pretty strong recruiting point. Why get them if they aren't willing to be a team player.

Or you have a athlete that played WR in the ACC as well , transferred and loves being here at JMU. No other WR can have that type of convo with the transfer besides Alls so to me it makes sense. Alls is not suspended from team activity just games and Since we run the spread they might not have to compete with each other for a spot.

Well then...unless I'm reading this wrong (and I'm not ), there are people on this board who are privy to the 1st 8 words of my last comment...03-shhhh

Just curious, but what happens if a player goes to the coach and says, "Coach, it's best that I not take this drug test"?
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RE: Football Transfers
(05-02-2017 06:17 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 05:41 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 02:09 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 01:15 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 01:07 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Who really knows what the suspensions were for...I'm going into the season thinking Hereford and Alls will miss several games. Anything less would be a pleasant surprise. We were never told, the DNR hasn't ferreted it out and Houston runs a tight ship (and tight lipped too). In theory, it could be a host of other reasons.

I would tend to agree that it would be unusual to have a player under any kind of suspension host a recruit Maybe they felt the ACC transfer tie-in was crucial?

The other thing that doesn't make sense to me is that Alls came here with a strike against him. The Duke press release exact words were, "Alls was suspended from game competition indefinitely in March for failure to "uphold the academic, athletic and community standards required of a member of the Blue Devil program." He was later released in November of 2015 for pretty much the same reasons. It would seem that anything too serious would be his walking papers.

Seems to me, a suspended player may be a good choice to host. "Coach doesn't BS. Do as he tells you 'cause we are all treated the same" is a pretty strong recruiting point. Why get them if they aren't willing to be a team player.

Or you have a athlete that played WR in the ACC as well , transferred and loves being here at JMU. No other WR can have that type of convo with the transfer besides Alls so to me it makes sense. Alls is not suspended from team activity just games and Since we run the spread they might not have to compete with each other for a spot.

Well then...unless I'm reading this wrong (and I'm not ), there are people on this board who are privy to the 1st 8 words of my last comment...03-shhhh

Just curious, but what happens if a player goes to the coach and says, "Coach, it's best that I not take this drug test"?
Isn't it the NCAA who decides what players are tested? And isn't a refusal to take the test treated the same as a positive?
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RE: Football Transfers
(05-02-2017 06:27 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 06:17 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 05:41 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 02:09 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 01:15 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  Seems to me, a suspended player may be a good choice to host. "Coach doesn't BS. Do as he tells you 'cause we are all treated the same" is a pretty strong recruiting point. Why get them if they aren't willing to be a team player.

Or you have a athlete that played WR in the ACC as well , transferred and loves being here at JMU. No other WR can have that type of convo with the transfer besides Alls so to me it makes sense. Alls is not suspended from team activity just games and Since we run the spread they might not have to compete with each other for a spot.

Well then...unless I'm reading this wrong (and I'm not ), there are people on this board who are privy to the 1st 8 words of my last comment...03-shhhh

Just curious, but what happens if a player goes to the coach and says, "Coach, it's best that I not take this drug test"?
Isn't it the NCAA who decides what players are tested? And isn't a refusal to take the test treated the same as a positive?

I'm pretty sure the answer to your first question is yes, the NCAA decides what players to test. Regarding your second question, well I thought you could provide a definitive answer better than most.
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RE: Football Transfers
(05-02-2017 07:35 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 06:27 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 06:17 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 05:41 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 02:09 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Or you have a athlete that played WR in the ACC as well , transferred and loves being here at JMU. No other WR can have that type of convo with the transfer besides Alls so to me it makes sense. Alls is not suspended from team activity just games and Since we run the spread they might not have to compete with each other for a spot.

Well then...unless I'm reading this wrong (and I'm not ), there are people on this board who are privy to the 1st 8 words of my last comment...03-shhhh

Just curious, but what happens if a player goes to the coach and says, "Coach, it's best that I not take this drug test"?
Isn't it the NCAA who decides what players are tested? And isn't a refusal to take the test treated the same as a positive?

I'm pretty sure the answer to your first question is yes, the NCAA decides what players to test. Regarding your second question, well I thought you could provide a definitive answer better than most.

If you refuse the test it counts as a positive ped test and you are out for a year.
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(05-02-2017 08:58 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 07:35 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 06:27 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 06:17 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 05:41 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Well then...unless I'm reading this wrong (and I'm not ), there are people on this board who are privy to the 1st 8 words of my last comment...03-shhhh

Just curious, but what happens if a player goes to the coach and says, "Coach, it's best that I not take this drug test"?
Isn't it the NCAA who decides what players are tested? And isn't a refusal to take the test treated the same as a positive?

I'm pretty sure the answer to your first question is yes, the NCAA decides what players to test. Regarding your second question, well I thought you could provide a definitive answer better than most.

If you refuse the test it counts as a positive ped test and you are out for a year.

^What he said. And, yes, if it's a NCAA drug test they randomly chose who to test. If it's JMU, you are also randomly selected. Some guys may get tested three times in a year and others may never get tested the entire time they are in school.
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forgive me if this has been answered, but I want to clarify something. the test occurred either just before or just after the SHSU playoff game, correct? if not that game, it was the UNH playoff game.

so my question is this: were our players tested simply because they were in the playoffs? were players from non-playoff teams also tested?
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(05-03-2017 08:49 AM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  forgive me if this has been answered, but I want to clarify something. the test occurred either just before or just after the SHSU playoff game, correct? if not that game, it was the UNH playoff game.

so my question is this: were our players tested simply because they were in the playoffs? were players from non-playoff teams also tested?

NCAA does random tests during its championships for all divisions and says it does on campus testing during the year for D1 and D2, but my understanding is that it is really only during championship events (playoffs, etc.)
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(05-03-2017 08:49 AM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  forgive me if this has been answered, but I want to clarify something. the test occurred either just before or just after the SHSU playoff game, correct? if not that game, it was the UNH playoff game.

so my question is this: were our players tested simply because they were in the playoffs? were players from non-playoff teams also tested?

Nobody actually knows what happened, but every possible rumor has been circulated.
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(05-03-2017 10:15 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 08:49 AM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  forgive me if this has been answered, but I want to clarify something. the test occurred either just before or just after the SHSU playoff game, correct? if not that game, it was the UNH playoff game.

so my question is this: were our players tested simply because they were in the playoffs? were players from non-playoff teams also tested?

Nobody actually knows what happened, but every possible rumor has been circulated.

I heard he was suspended for ripping the tags off of pillows and repeated jaywalking.
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(05-03-2017 11:45 AM)Dignan Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 10:15 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 08:49 AM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  forgive me if this has been answered, but I want to clarify something. the test occurred either just before or just after the SHSU playoff game, correct? if not that game, it was the UNH playoff game.

so my question is this: were our players tested simply because they were in the playoffs? were players from non-playoff teams also tested?

Nobody actually knows what happened, but every possible rumor has been circulated.

I heard he was suspended for ripping the tags off of pillows and repeated jaywalking.

I heard he had a hook on his foot.
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(05-03-2017 09:01 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 08:49 AM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  forgive me if this has been answered, but I want to clarify something. the test occurred either just before or just after the SHSU playoff game, correct? if not that game, it was the UNH playoff game.

so my question is this: were our players tested simply because they were in the playoffs? were players from non-playoff teams also tested?

NCAA does random tests during its championships for all divisions and says it does on campus testing during the year for D1 and D2, but my understanding is that it is really only during championship events (playoffs, etc.)


No, the NCAA does drug tests randomly during the season. Just like with individual players schools may not be hit up for a test for several yeas or they may be hit several years in a row.
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(05-03-2017 12:41 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 09:01 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 08:49 AM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  forgive me if this has been answered, but I want to clarify something. the test occurred either just before or just after the SHSU playoff game, correct? if not that game, it was the UNH playoff game.

so my question is this: were our players tested simply because they were in the playoffs? were players from non-playoff teams also tested?

NCAA does random tests during its championships for all divisions and says it does on campus testing during the year for D1 and D2, but my understanding is that it is really only during championship events (playoffs, etc.)


No, the NCAA does drug tests randomly during the season. Just like with individual players schools may not be hit up for a test for several yeas or they may be hit several years in a row.

that's good info, but what i'm looking to find out is this: if we had missed the playoffs, would our players still have been tested? or did they get a "bonus" test because they were ACTIVELY involved in the postseason? i'm not interested in regular season testing, i'm only asking about postseason testing.
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(05-03-2017 12:41 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 09:01 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 08:49 AM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  forgive me if this has been answered, but I want to clarify something. the test occurred either just before or just after the SHSU playoff game, correct? if not that game, it was the UNH playoff game.

so my question is this: were our players tested simply because they were in the playoffs? were players from non-playoff teams also tested?

NCAA does random tests during its championships for all divisions and says it does on campus testing during the year for D1 and D2, but my understanding is that it is really only during championship events (playoffs, etc.)


No, the NCAA does drug tests randomly during the season. Just like with individual players schools may not be hit up for a test for several yeas or they may be hit several years in a row.

Ehhhhh. I think JMU98 was implying what happens versus what is policy.

The NCAA states it tests during championships AND year round for D1 and D2 programs. In practice, from my understanding and direct experience with JMU FB program, the year round testing doesn't actually occur. Also, per NCAA policies, year round testing doesn't include street drugs (i.e devils lettuce) anyway so the failure rate of their year round testing probably isn't very high. I'm assuming the low failure rate is why the testing doesn't happen often in practice, despite them saying they test year round. There are also probably some testing variances between Bama/FBS and JMU/FCS. I'll add that the NCAA will not test an entire team, based on the sport, the NCAA selects a set amount of athletes to test at random. However, if you have previously failed a test you are in the queue for follow up and street drug testing.

From my view point, the NCAA really leans on the the schools (which have looser or lackadaisical punishments that can be kept in house) for street drug testing. The NCAA doesn't want the PR nightmare of constantly suspending athletes for half seasons due to a drug that could be legal in the state the student plays or resides.

We just need to sticky a NCAA policy thread cause this conversation comes up in at least two threads a year and always have incorrect information.
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I'll stop my thread high jacking after this last comment. I know from personal experience that the NCAA has tested during the regular season period in the past. Granted my experience was about 20 years ago, but at that time they did a regular season test. If you look back, 1997 was definitely not a playoff year. I remember it well because this kind-of-creepy old dude had to watch all of us evacuate our sample. The whole thing was different from how JMU did their random tests.
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Landan Word just announced on twitter he's coming to JMU.
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I just looked over this upcoming season's roster now that it's updated. We have 22 seniors this season, they are as follows in terms of position group:

CB - 1
DL - 5
LB - 3
OL - 3
QB - 1
RB - 2
S - 2
TE - 1
WR - 4

Heavy losses on the line of both sides of the ball as well with the wide receiver corps. I hope there's great depth coming in the trenches so 2018 doesn't hurt too much.
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Found this on a UVA site: http://www.streakingthelawn.com/2017/4/2...eat-its-ok
Sounds like Word will be a big gain for JMU.
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UVA will continue to be the fifth best program in the state until they find a somewhat competent QB. Over the last decade they would have been an average CAA team at best most years.
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(05-03-2017 08:24 PM)RVAdukes Wrote:  UVA will continue to be the fifth best program in the state until they find a somewhat competent QB. Over the last decade they would have been an average CAA team at best most years.

That is very debatable. I have no problem saying they would have been competing for the CCA crown every season the past ten years. Just because RU went in there last season and spanked 'em doesn't mean a lot. They gave Louisville all they could handle later in the season.

I will agree that for the ACC or against most P5's they have not been winners, but there is no way possible to say they'd have only been average most seasons in the CAA (which I take to mean about where Towson has been). IMHO, they'd have beaten every CAA team more than they would have lost to each team. It takes a well played game for the visiting FCS team and a bit of an off weekend for the home P5 anytime the FCS team comes away with a W including NDSU.
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(05-04-2017 09:34 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(05-03-2017 08:24 PM)RVAdukes Wrote:  UVA will continue to be the fifth best program in the state until they find a somewhat competent QB. Over the last decade they would have been an average CAA team at best most years.

That is very debatable. I have no problem saying they would have been competing for the CCA crown every season the past ten years. Just because RU went in there last season and spanked 'em doesn't mean a lot. They gave Louisville all they could handle later in the season.

I will agree that for the ACC or against most P5's they have not been winners, but there is no way possible to say they'd have only been average most seasons in the CAA (which I take to mean about where Towson has been). IMHO, they'd have beaten every CAA team more than they would have lost to each team. It takes a well played game for the visiting FCS team and a bit of an off weekend for the home P5 anytime the FCS team comes away with a W including NDSU.

I'm no fan of UVA, but Bleeding is correct. When they lost to RU it was the 1st game under their new HC. They got better (or less worse) as the season went on. Beat Duke & W Mich, played GT, Louisville, Pitt, & WF closer than they played RU. Played UNC closer than JMU did..
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