(04-24-2017 07:06 AM)calvin12 Wrote:  They aren't looking out for themselves. They didn't make the changes. They should look out for themselves. If they choose to play they know there are risks.

They may know there are "risks" but do you think they are actually well educated on them? It's also somewhat difficult to think that every 18 year old kid can look at the big picture when they are receiving incentives like free tuition, an elevated social status, peer/team pressures, etc. Some of them probably think that playing football on a scholarship is their only chance to get a college degree. Some of them may look at the team and their teammates as their strongest support group. Do you think that top level high school football players are really thinking about their quality of life when they are in their 40s, 50s, etc? I'm sure some of them are but I don't think it's as simple as saying "you knew the risks".

(04-24-2017 09:38 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 07:06 AM)calvin12 Wrote:  They aren't looking out for themselves. They didn't make the changes. They should look out for themselves. If they choose to play they know there are risks.

They may know there are "risks" but do you think they are actually well educated on them? It's also somewhat difficult to think that every 18 year old kid can look at the big picture when they are receiving incentives like free tuition, an elevated social status, peer/team pressures, etc. Some of them probably think that playing football on a scholarship is their only chance to get a college degree. Some of them may look at the team and their teammates as their strongest support group. Do you think that top level high school football players are really thinking about their quality of life when they are in their 40s, 50s, etc? I'm sure some of them are but I don't think it's as simple as saying "you knew the risks".

personal responsibility.

(04-24-2017 10:57 AM)calvin12 Wrote:  personal responsibility.

Incredibly insightful comment. I think it's pretty obvious you are out of touch with what the average 17-18 year knows, thinks about and values. These aren't 50 year old medical directors that are making the decision whether they play or not. These are kids/young adults...many of whom may not have parents/teachers/coaches that are qualified to or even make an effort to educate them on the full extent and details about head injuries. 18-21 year olds aren't exactly the best at decision making and generally aren't going to take the possible implications seriously when they could be 5, 10, 15+ years down the road.

(04-24-2017 11:12 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 10:57 AM)calvin12 Wrote:  personal responsibility.

Incredibly insightful comment. I think it's pretty obvious you are out of touch with what the average 17-18 year knows, thinks about and values. These aren't 50 year old medical directors that are making the decision whether they play or not. These are kids/young adults...many of whom may not have parents/teachers/coaches that are qualified to or even make an effort to educate them on the full extent and details about head injuries. 18-21 year olds aren't exactly the best at decision making and generally aren't going to take the possible implications seriously when they could be 5, 10, 15+ years down the road.

Plus with what we know from psychology/economics about how people's decision making is so short-term focused- even among hardened adults, it's hard to take the notion seriously that anyone thinks long term unless they're really forced to slow the hell down and think in those terms.

(04-24-2017 10:57 AM)calvin12 Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 09:38 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 07:06 AM)calvin12 Wrote:  They aren't looking out for themselves. They didn't make the changes. They should look out for themselves. If they choose to play they know there are risks.

They may know there are "risks" but do you think they are actually well educated on them? It's also somewhat difficult to think that every 18 year old kid can look at the big picture when they are receiving incentives like free tuition, an elevated social status, peer/team pressures, etc. Some of them probably think that playing football on a scholarship is their only chance to get a college degree. Some of them may look at the team and their teammates as their strongest support group. Do you think that top level high school football players are really thinking about their quality of life when they are in their 40s, 50s, etc? I'm sure some of them are but I don't think it's as simple as saying "you knew the risks".

personal responsibility.

i think dogfighting is the sport you want to watch, then.

(04-24-2017 12:13 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  Plus with what we know from psychology/economics about how people's decision making is so short-term focused- even among hardened adults, it's hard to take the notion seriously that anyone thinks long term unless they're really forced to slow the hell down and think in those terms.

Also a very good point

(04-24-2017 12:13 PM)DogTracks Wrote:  it's hard to take the notion seriously that anyone thinks long term unless they're really forced to slow the hell down and think in those terms.

gee, so then how about having them actually think about it? I don't care if there are or aren't 2 a days. That should be up to the staffs and players. If you are smart enough to know that you don't want 2 a days don't go where they have them. why can't anyone take responsibility for their actions- as adults- which the players are.