The problem for next year is that this recruiting class is basically the entire team. These guys plus Martin will hve to produce everything.

(04-18-2017 03:37 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 03:34 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 03:26 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  If you look at Average rank per recruit we are WAY lower than everyone else in the top 50. We just signed 6 kids.

By average recruit rank we are 9th in the AAC

This again??

I have said this in numerous threads. They default all unranked players to 70. The JUCOs will probably eventually get ranked by 247. They typically rank the JUCO All Americans, and they are your average three star players around 85.

We have a decent class compared to the rest of the AAC because we landed JJ whose probably the 2nd highest rated player in this AAC class.

Houston and Memphis do not have the worst classes in the AAC. Please stop spreading this FUD.

It has come to this:

pounding our chests because a class (in basketball) is #50.

You need a new schtick.

Didn't mean to create a $hit Storm. Just posted because i thought it was a good sign to see our class being Top 50 out of 300+ D1 college teams

We need some HOPE as Tiger fans

(04-18-2017 08:32 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Didn't mean to create a $hit Storm. Just posted because i thought it was a good sign to see our class being Top 50 out of 300+ D1 college teams

We need some HOPE as Tiger fans

You didn't create a problem, there are some here that live to argue, belittle, and insult.

(04-18-2017 08:34 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 08:32 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Didn't mean to create a $hit Storm. Just posted because i thought it was a good sign to see our class being Top 50 out of 300+ D1 college teams

We need some HOPE as Tiger fans

You didn't create a problem, there are some here that live to argue, belittle, and insult.

They have to promote their agenda...

(04-18-2017 08:32 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Didn't mean to create a $hit Storm. Just posted because i thought it was a good sign to see our class being Top 50 out of 300+ D1 college teams

We need some HOPE as Tiger fans

Tubby's plan already taking effect....lower expectations to zero so that a top 50 recruiting class now looks good. SMFH.

(04-19-2017 08:18 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 08:32 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Didn't mean to create a $hit Storm. Just posted because i thought it was a good sign to see our class being Top 50 out of 300+ D1 college teams

We need some HOPE as Tiger fans

Tubby's plan already taking effect....lower expectations to zero so that a top 50 recruiting class now looks good. SMFH.

Josh had 4 classes that were similar to this one. So yeah.....

(04-19-2017 08:21 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:18 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 08:32 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Didn't mean to create a $hit Storm. Just posted because i thought it was a good sign to see our class being Top 50 out of 300+ D1 college teams

We need some HOPE as Tiger fans

Tubby's plan already taking effect....lower expectations to zero so that a top 50 recruiting class now looks good. SMFH.

Josh had 4 classes that were similar to this one. So yeah.....

Are you seriously comparing Josh's recruiting classes to Tubby's? Here's a quick refresher for comparison purposes: Josh's 2nd recruiting class was ranked #3.

(04-19-2017 08:34 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:21 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:18 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 08:32 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Didn't mean to create a $hit Storm. Just posted because i thought it was a good sign to see our class being Top 50 out of 300+ D1 college teams

We need some HOPE as Tiger fans

Tubby's plan already taking effect....lower expectations to zero so that a top 50 recruiting class now looks good. SMFH.

Josh had 4 classes that were similar to this one. So yeah.....

Are you seriously comparing Josh's recruiting classes to Tubby's? Here's a quick refresher for comparison purposes: Josh's 2nd recruiting class was ranked #3.

He also had a class of Dominic Magee, Chris Hawkins, Trashon and Avery Woodson. I'm pretty sure 3 of those were JUCOs and 2 of them either barely played or never played. We only had Avery for a couple years and then he transferred.

2013 was pretty good, but every single player from that class has transferred out. 5 out of 6 have been gone for a while.

(04-19-2017 08:34 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:21 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:18 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 08:32 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Didn't mean to create a $hit Storm. Just posted because i thought it was a good sign to see our class being Top 50 out of 300+ D1 college teams

We need some HOPE as Tiger fans

Tubby's plan already taking effect....lower expectations to zero so that a top 50 recruiting class now looks good. SMFH.

Josh had 4 classes that were similar to this one. So yeah.....

Are you seriously comparing Josh's recruiting classes to Tubby's? Here's a quick refresher for comparison purposes: Josh's 2nd recruiting class was ranked #3.

He had 7 classes. 4 of them were basically ranked 40 or below. 5 if you count what he had coming in 2016.

I'm not hating on Josh. I think he is a great recruiter, which is kind of my point. There's going to be variance in Memphis classes, based on the number of 4* that are in Memphis each year.

There was one in 2017.

I'm not asking for lower expectations. I'm asking for reasonable. If you expect a top 20 class when the city of Memphis has only one 4*. I'm sorry. It's not going to happen. Josh couldn't do. The only person who can is Cal.

If he misses on 2018 bad, then yes we should be upset. But it hasn't happened yet...

Stop acting like it has.

(04-18-2017 08:32 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Didn't mean to create a $hit Storm. Just posted because i thought it was a good sign to see our class being Top 50 out of 300+ D1 college teams

We need some HOPE as Tiger fans

It's par for the course for those who want to claim Tubby is spending too much time golfing at Mar-a-Lago rather than recruiting and running the team.

(04-19-2017 08:46 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:34 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:21 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:18 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 08:32 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Didn't mean to create a $hit Storm. Just posted because i thought it was a good sign to see our class being Top 50 out of 300+ D1 college teams

We need some HOPE as Tiger fans

Tubby's plan already taking effect....lower expectations to zero so that a top 50 recruiting class now looks good. SMFH.

Josh had 4 classes that were similar to this one. So yeah.....

Are you seriously comparing Josh's recruiting classes to Tubby's? Here's a quick refresher for comparison purposes: Josh's 2nd recruiting class was ranked #3.

He had 7 classes. 4 of them were basically ranked 40 or below. 5 if you count what he had coming in 2016.

I'm not hating on Josh. I think he is a great recruiter, which is kind of my point. There's going to be variance in Memphis classes, based on the number of 4* that are in Memphis each year.

There was one in 2017.

I'm not asking for lower expectations. I'm asking for reasonable. If you expect a top 20 class when the city of Memphis has only one 4*. I'm sorry. It's not going to happen. Josh couldn't do. The only person who can is Cal.

If he misses on 2018 bad, then yes we should be upset. But it hasn't happened yet...

Stop acting like it has.

You are just being disingenuous.

One of Josh's "sub 40" classes was a two person class comprised of Top 10 5* Adonis Thomas and Top 10 JUCO Stan Simpson.

Rankings are based on stars x # of recruits, so if a team only has one or two guys (despite the level of quality) it won't be rated highly in a list format.

Conversely, if you have a class of seven players, chances are that class will move up the list due to sheer volume of players.

(04-19-2017 08:41 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:34 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:21 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:18 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 08:32 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Didn't mean to create a $hit Storm. Just posted because i thought it was a good sign to see our class being Top 50 out of 300+ D1 college teams

We need some HOPE as Tiger fans

Tubby's plan already taking effect....lower expectations to zero so that a top 50 recruiting class now looks good. SMFH.

Josh had 4 classes that were similar to this one. So yeah.....

Are you seriously comparing Josh's recruiting classes to Tubby's? Here's a quick refresher for comparison purposes: Josh's 2nd recruiting class was ranked #3.

He also had a class of Dominic Magee, Chris Hawkins, Trashon and Avery Woodson. I'm pretty sure 3 of those were JUCOs and 2 of them either barely played or never played. We only had Avery for a couple years and then he transferred.

2013 was pretty good, but every single player from that class has transferred out. 5 out of 6 have been gone for a while.

Please stop with the revisionist history. Magee was a top 100 recruit. Burrell and Woodson were extremely productive players at the high major level. Burrell in particular was probably the most misused player under Josh's tenure....and that's saying something.

(04-19-2017 09:04 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:46 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:34 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:21 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:18 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  Tubby's plan already taking effect....lower expectations to zero so that a top 50 recruiting class now looks good. SMFH.

Josh had 4 classes that were similar to this one. So yeah.....

Are you seriously comparing Josh's recruiting classes to Tubby's? Here's a quick refresher for comparison purposes: Josh's 2nd recruiting class was ranked #3.

He had 7 classes. 4 of them were basically ranked 40 or below. 5 if you count what he had coming in 2016.

I'm not hating on Josh. I think he is a great recruiter, which is kind of my point. There's going to be variance in Memphis classes, based on the number of 4* that are in Memphis each year.

There was one in 2017.

I'm not asking for lower expectations. I'm asking for reasonable. If you expect a top 20 class when the city of Memphis has only one 4*. I'm sorry. It's not going to happen. Josh couldn't do. The only person who can is Cal.

If he misses on 2018 bad, then yes we should be upset. But it hasn't happened yet...

Stop acting like it has.

You are just being disingenuous.

One of Josh's "sub 40" classes was a two person class comprised of Top 10 5* Adonis Thomas and Top 10 JUCO Stan Simpson.

Rankings are based on stars x # of recruits, so if a team only has one or two guys (despite the level of quality) it won't be rated highly in a list format.

Conversely, if you have a class of seven players, chances are that class will move up the list due to sheer volume of players.

The rankings scale. You really can't get above 40 with only 3 star players. We are ranked were we are cause of JJ.

The sweet spot is 3 to 4 players. I agree on that, but since so many kids transfer now you better at least have a class of 4 every year.

So I don't mind the way they do things.

(04-19-2017 09:17 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 09:04 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:46 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:34 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:21 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Josh had 4 classes that were similar to this one. So yeah.....

Are you seriously comparing Josh's recruiting classes to Tubby's? Here's a quick refresher for comparison purposes: Josh's 2nd recruiting class was ranked #3.

He had 7 classes. 4 of them were basically ranked 40 or below. 5 if you count what he had coming in 2016.

I'm not hating on Josh. I think he is a great recruiter, which is kind of my point. There's going to be variance in Memphis classes, based on the number of 4* that are in Memphis each year.

There was one in 2017.

I'm not asking for lower expectations. I'm asking for reasonable. If you expect a top 20 class when the city of Memphis has only one 4*. I'm sorry. It's not going to happen. Josh couldn't do. The only person who can is Cal.

If he misses on 2018 bad, then yes we should be upset. But it hasn't happened yet...

Stop acting like it has.

You are just being disingenuous.

One of Josh's "sub 40" classes was a two person class comprised of Top 10 5* Adonis Thomas and Top 10 JUCO Stan Simpson.

Rankings are based on stars x # of recruits, so if a team only has one or two guys (despite the level of quality) it won't be rated highly in a list format.

Conversely, if you have a class of seven players, chances are that class will move up the list due to sheer volume of players.

The rankings scale. You really can't get above 40 with only 3 star players. We are ranked were we are cause of JJ.

The sweet spot is 3 to 4 players. I agree on that, but since so many kids transfer now you better at least have a class of 4 every year.

So I don't mind the way they do things.

We aren't getting much credit after our top 3 players in the ranking system. The algorithm doesn't give you extra credit for adding a bunch of three stars. You only will get credit for about the first 3 players.

247 doesn't really keep up with juco rankings

neither Brewton or Thornton are rated at all, yet both are top 50 jucos and one is 1st team JUCO AA

This class is a top 40 type class

notice who's one spot ahead of us though - Chris Beard's Texas Tech club

oh, the irony

(04-19-2017 09:07 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:41 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:34 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:21 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:18 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  Tubby's plan already taking effect....lower expectations to zero so that a top 50 recruiting class now looks good. SMFH.

Josh had 4 classes that were similar to this one. So yeah.....

Are you seriously comparing Josh's recruiting classes to Tubby's? Here's a quick refresher for comparison purposes: Josh's 2nd recruiting class was ranked #3.

He also had a class of Dominic Magee, Chris Hawkins, Trashon and Avery Woodson. I'm pretty sure 3 of those were JUCOs and 2 of them either barely played or never played. We only had Avery for a couple years and then he transferred.

2013 was pretty good, but every single player from that class has transferred out. 5 out of 6 have been gone for a while.

Please stop with the revisionist history. Magee was a top 100 recruit. Burrell and Woodson were extremely productive players at the high major level. Burrell in particular was probably the most misused player under Josh's tenure....and that's saying something.

Magee never played a game for Memphis. Did you forget that?

(04-19-2017 09:32 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 09:07 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:41 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:34 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:21 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Josh had 4 classes that were similar to this one. So yeah.....

Are you seriously comparing Josh's recruiting classes to Tubby's? Here's a quick refresher for comparison purposes: Josh's 2nd recruiting class was ranked #3.

He also had a class of Dominic Magee, Chris Hawkins, Trashon and Avery Woodson. I'm pretty sure 3 of those were JUCOs and 2 of them either barely played or never played. We only had Avery for a couple years and then he transferred.

2013 was pretty good, but every single player from that class has transferred out. 5 out of 6 have been gone for a while.

Please stop with the revisionist history. Magee was a top 100 recruit. Burrell and Woodson were extremely productive players at the high major level. Burrell in particular was probably the most misused player under Josh's tenure....and that's saying something.

Magee never played a game for Memphis. Did you forget that?

No. But I also didn't forget that Magee was a consensus top 100 recruit, which is what I thought this whole thread is about.

(04-19-2017 09:35 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 09:32 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 09:07 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:41 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(04-19-2017 08:34 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  Are you seriously comparing Josh's recruiting classes to Tubby's? Here's a quick refresher for comparison purposes: Josh's 2nd recruiting class was ranked #3.

He also had a class of Dominic Magee, Chris Hawkins, Trashon and Avery Woodson. I'm pretty sure 3 of those were JUCOs and 2 of them either barely played or never played. We only had Avery for a couple years and then he transferred.

2013 was pretty good, but every single player from that class has transferred out. 5 out of 6 have been gone for a while.

Please stop with the revisionist history. Magee was a top 100 recruit. Burrell and Woodson were extremely productive players at the high major level. Burrell in particular was probably the most misused player under Josh's tenure....and that's saying something.

Magee never played a game for Memphis. Did you forget that?

No. But I also didn't forget that Magee was a consensus top 100 recruit, which is what I thought this whole thread is about.

I'm just trying to figure out what good an awesome recruiting ranking does if the player doesn't pan out or if the chemistry is bad and players leave. Great! We feel so proud about our top 5 recruiting class. In 2013, when we raked in a bunch of studs we couldn't keep, Gonzaga landed two 2 star dudes. People would be losing their minds around here if that happened. I realize the situations are different (we're in a better conference), but they sure seem to be having more success.

New 247 ratings were released today.

JJ got dropped.

We are #58 now, and 3rd in the AAC.