Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Chuck Staben is a Dirty, Filthy, Stinking Liar
Author Message
billybobby777 Offline
Fighting the cartel 5
*

Posts: 6,671
Joined: May 2013
Reputation: 265
I Root For: ECU, Army
Location: Houston dont sleepon
Post: #101
RE: Chuck Staben is a Dirty, Filthy, Stinking Liar
(Yesterday 05:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(Yesterday 12:55 PM)Bronco85 Wrote:  If UI had been able to find its way back into the PCC/AAWU/PAC as WSU, UO, and OSU did (and state politics in Washington and Oregon played a significant role)

The population of those states was a huge factor even in the 1960s and still is now.

Population, 1960 and 2010
Idaho 667,191 / 1,567,582
Oregon 1,768,687 / 3,831,074
Washington 2,853,214 / 6,724,540

There's a good argument that Wazzu got in the AAWU in the 1960s because of in-state political pressure, but if Wazzu was "out", Idaho still wouldn't be in.

Well, then what year did Idaho and Montana get into the first version of the PAC 8? I'm assuming population difference was pretty big then too....
Yesterday 05:58 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
billybobby777 Offline
Fighting the cartel 5
*

Posts: 6,671
Joined: May 2013
Reputation: 265
I Root For: ECU, Army
Location: Houston dont sleepon
Post: #102
RE: Chuck Staben is a Dirty, Filthy, Stinking Liar
Interesting note: When the WAC was being created by Utah and BYU in the early 60's, they invited Wyoming out of the Mountain States Conference and Arizona, Arizona St and New Mexico out of the Border to join the talks. They also invited some of the Washington and Oregon schools who passed in the end for the PAC 8. Did Idaho and Montana make a push to join the WAC? Were they not invited?
Yesterday 06:02 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
billings Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,136
Joined: Jun 2004
Reputation: 36
I Root For: Wyoming
Location: Billings, Montana
Post: #103
RE: Chuck Staben is a Dirty, Filthy, Stinking Liar
(Yesterday 06:02 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Interesting note: When the WAC was being created by Utah and BYU in the early 60's, they invited Wyoming out of the Mountain States Conference and Arizona, Arizona St and New Mexico out of the Border to join the talks. They also invited some of the Washington and Oregon schools who passed in the end for the PAC 8. Did Idaho and Montana make a push to join the WAC? Were they not invited?


They were not invited
Yesterday 07:44 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
billybobby777 Offline
Fighting the cartel 5
*

Posts: 6,671
Joined: May 2013
Reputation: 265
I Root For: ECU, Army
Location: Houston dont sleepon
Post: #104
RE: Chuck Staben is a Dirty, Filthy, Stinking Liar
(Yesterday 07:44 PM)billings Wrote:  
(Yesterday 06:02 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Interesting note: When the WAC was being created by Utah and BYU in the early 60's, they invited Wyoming out of the Mountain States Conference and Arizona, Arizona St and New Mexico out of the Border to join the talks. They also invited some of the Washington and Oregon schools who passed in the end for the PAC 8. Did Idaho and Montana make a push to join the WAC? Were they not invited?


They were not invited

Ok. The WAC story is a great one. I always try to get as much new info on that story as I can.
Yesterday 07:48 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
billings Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,136
Joined: Jun 2004
Reputation: 36
I Root For: Wyoming
Location: Billings, Montana
Post: #105
RE: Chuck Staben is a Dirty, Filthy, Stinking Liar
(Yesterday 07:48 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 07:44 PM)billings Wrote:  
(Yesterday 06:02 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Interesting note: When the WAC was being created by Utah and BYU in the early 60's, they invited Wyoming out of the Mountain States Conference and Arizona, Arizona St and New Mexico out of the Border to join the talks. They also invited some of the Washington and Oregon schools who passed in the end for the PAC 8. Did Idaho and Montana make a push to join the WAC? Were they not invited?


They were not invited

Ok. The WAC story is a great one. I always try to get as much new info on that story as I can.

Utah State and New Mexico State applied to be WAC founding members with the six you mention and both were turned down and not invited.

I don't think Idaho or montana applied to be members nor were they invited
Yesterday 08:06 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
LatahCounty Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,568
Joined: Sep 2015
Reputation: 75
I Root For: Idaho
Location:
Post: #106
RE: Chuck Staben is a Dirty, Filthy, Stinking Liar
Yeah, I don't believe we were anywhere near the WAC. I'm not sure why. Our first big chance to escape the Big Sky came in the early '70s when we were invited to the PCAA, which later became the Big West and at the time featured, among others, San Diego St., Fresno St., and San Jose St, and would soon add Utah St., UNLV and NMSU. We were blocked from membership by the SBOE because Boise St. objected to being left behind.

Many, many ironies in Idaho football history.
Yesterday 11:17 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Bronco85 Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 132
Joined: Apr 2004
Reputation: 27
I Root For: COI, BSU
Location: Parts Unknown
Post: #107
RE: Chuck Staben is a Dirty, Filthy, Stinking Liar
(Yesterday 05:58 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 05:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(Yesterday 12:55 PM)Bronco85 Wrote:  If UI had been able to find its way back into the PCC/AAWU/PAC as WSU, UO, and OSU did (and state politics in Washington and Oregon played a significant role)

The population of those states was a huge factor even in the 1960s and still is now.

Population, 1960 and 2010
Idaho 667,191 / 1,567,582
Oregon 1,768,687 / 3,831,074
Washington 2,853,214 / 6,724,540

There's a good argument that Wazzu got in the AAWU in the 1960s because of in-state political pressure, but if Wazzu was "out", Idaho still wouldn't be in.

Well, then what year did Idaho and Montana get into the first version of the PAC 8? I'm assuming population difference was pretty big then too....

You are correct. The population had little to do with Corvallis (39,000 population in 1960 and no airport) and Pullman (10,000 population in 1960 and no airport) getting into the AAWU. Television money was not a consideration then. OSU (and UO) was fortunate to be on the highway and rail head running up California and ending at the highly desired UDub (and provided regional competition for UW in all sports). Wazzu was not convenient at all for anyone and it took legislative fiat for them to get into the AAWU. UI, just 8 miles from Pullman and at the time similar in nearly every way, had no such good fortune as to be partnered with a more desirable in-state school. The Vandals would slog it out as an independent (not being allowed to join the PCAA in 1973) until they joined the Big Sky for the first time.

When UI and UM were originally added to the PCC, all 4 of these schools (UI, UM, OAC and WSC) were in remote small towns (Eugene/Springfield wasn't all that big either). None had great attendance.
(This post was last modified: Yesterday 11:33 PM by Bronco85.)
Yesterday 11:29 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2017 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2017 MyBB Group.