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RE: Chuck Staben is a Dirty, Filthy, Stinking Liar
(04-18-2017 05:58 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
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(04-18-2017 04:52 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 04:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Hard to realize significant savings moving from FBS to FCS, unless you drastically reduce the football budget and/or cut the number of varsity sports to the D-I minimum. If the football budget was already very low compared to most G5 teams - as would be the case for pretty much any team considering leaving FBS - then running a competitive FCS program is going to cost almost as much anyway.

To get really big savings, a school might have to drop football altogether, as Long Beach State and Cal State-Fullerton did about 25 years ago.

I think the last D1 school to drop football completely was Pacific in 1995.

Excepting UAB (who is bringing it back), you are correct. You have to go back to the BWC/PCAA in 1992 (CSU-Fullerton) and 1991 (CSU-LB) to find D1A schools who dropped football. The fact so many FCS programs have moved up to FBS and no one has moved down to FCS (until now) in the BCS/Championship era, is often part of the argument which supports FBS football as more fiscally viable then FCS football. The fact that a dozen FCS (1AA) schools have dropped football altogether since 1990 also bolsters the argument. UI may be the case study to prove it.

My bet is Idaho eventually drops it all together. Unless fans are willing to donate. I just don't see it. In fact, I see them dropping all money after the drop to FCS out of frustration/rage/mistrust of an inept athletic department and a lying scum bag like Chuckie Cheese.

Donations sure aren't going to get better anytime soon. My last check to the school will be for my season tickets this year, our final season in FBS. I'm far from the only person who'll be making their last contribution.
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RE: Chuck Staben is a Dirty, Filthy, Stinking Liar
(04-18-2017 06:02 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 05:58 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 05:54 PM)Bronco85 Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 04:52 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 04:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Hard to realize significant savings moving from FBS to FCS, unless you drastically reduce the football budget and/or cut the number of varsity sports to the D-I minimum. If the football budget was already very low compared to most G5 teams - as would be the case for pretty much any team considering leaving FBS - then running a competitive FCS program is going to cost almost as much anyway.

To get really big savings, a school might have to drop football altogether, as Long Beach State and Cal State-Fullerton did about 25 years ago.

I think the last D1 school to drop football completely was Pacific in 1995.

Excepting UAB (who is bringing it back), you are correct. You have to go back to the BWC/PCAA in 1992 (CSU-Fullerton) and 1991 (CSU-LB) to find D1A schools who dropped football. The fact so many FCS programs have moved up to FBS and no one has moved down to FCS (until now) in the BCS/Championship era, is often part of the argument which supports FBS football as more fiscally viable then FCS football. The fact that a dozen FCS (1AA) schools have dropped football altogether since 1990 also bolsters the argument. UI may be the case study to prove it.

My bet is Idaho eventually drops it all together. Unless fans are willing to donate. I just don't see it. In fact, I see them dropping all money after the drop to FCS out of frustration/rage/mistrust of an inept athletic department and a lying scum bag like Chuckie Cheese.

Donations sure aren't going to get better anytime soon. My last check to the school will be for my season tickets this year, our final season in FBS. I'm far from the only person who'll be making their last contribution.

The irony is that you guys will probably make another bowl. I watched that blow out last year of a solid CSU team and was very impressed with Idaho.
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RE: Chuck Staben is a Dirty, Filthy, Stinking Liar
(04-18-2017 05:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
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(04-18-2017 05:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Sounds like Staben is an anti-football AD. There were freedom of Information case that was filed against Long Beach State and Fullerton State about football. Paper trail of letters, emails and all that found that the ADs at both programs lied about their football programs to cut them so that their favorite sports that does cause more lost of money when the football programs were the ones that were keeping those non-revenue sports stay alive. Look how far the Big West schools have fallen? If the Big West kept their football programs? Where are they be today? Idaho had a shot to stay in the big boys twice, but they downgrade themselves twice. I do not think they deserve a third chance at the FBS level ever again.

"Paper trails of emails"---was there such thing as email in late 80's and early 90's when those two were dropping football? I'd love to see those old emails


Long Beach State 1991 was the last year, and Fullerton State was 1992.
E-mail is over 40 years old founded in 1971.
Bitnet in the 1980s is an email based program created for education or schools to use.
ARPANet was the forerunner of Internet.
Microsoft have an email program in their Windows Dos program in the 1980s.
MCI also had a program in the 1980s.
Yes, academics had a wide range of use of emails through the 1980s. Usually between departments and inside departments including the athletic's department.

"Email is over 40 years old" I didnt get my first email account 1996. 21 years ago. I had never heard of it until that year. I call bull ship David

Yep, although it may have "been around" before 1995, virtually no one used it prior to then. 1996 was also the exact year we first started using email. I worked for a US government agency then, and that was the first year everyone started using email. Heck, we were using typewriters and typing out memos in the early 90's.
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RE: Chuck Staben is a Dirty, Filthy, Stinking Liar
(04-18-2017 06:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 06:02 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 05:58 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 05:54 PM)Bronco85 Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 04:52 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I think the last D1 school to drop football completely was Pacific in 1995.

Excepting UAB (who is bringing it back), you are correct. You have to go back to the BWC/PCAA in 1992 (CSU-Fullerton) and 1991 (CSU-LB) to find D1A schools who dropped football. The fact so many FCS programs have moved up to FBS and no one has moved down to FCS (until now) in the BCS/Championship era, is often part of the argument which supports FBS football as more fiscally viable then FCS football. The fact that a dozen FCS (1AA) schools have dropped football altogether since 1990 also bolsters the argument. UI may be the case study to prove it.

My bet is Idaho eventually drops it all together. Unless fans are willing to donate. I just don't see it. In fact, I see them dropping all money after the drop to FCS out of frustration/rage/mistrust of an inept athletic department and a lying scum bag like Chuckie Cheese.

Donations sure aren't going to get better anytime soon. My last check to the school will be for my season tickets this year, our final season in FBS. I'm far from the only person who'll be making their last contribution.

The irony is that you guys will probably make another bowl. I watched that blow out last year of a solid CSU team and was very impressed with Idaho.

That might be the most frustrating thing about all this. We're actually pretty good now.
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RE: Chuck Staben is a Dirty, Filthy, Stinking Liar
(04-18-2017 07:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 05:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 05:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 05:06 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 05:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Sounds like Staben is an anti-football AD. There were freedom of Information case that was filed against Long Beach State and Fullerton State about football. Paper trail of letters, emails and all that found that the ADs at both programs lied about their football programs to cut them so that their favorite sports that does cause more lost of money when the football programs were the ones that were keeping those non-revenue sports stay alive. Look how far the Big West schools have fallen? If the Big West kept their football programs? Where are they be today? Idaho had a shot to stay in the big boys twice, but they downgrade themselves twice. I do not think they deserve a third chance at the FBS level ever again.

"Paper trails of emails"---was there such thing as email in late 80's and early 90's when those two were dropping football? I'd love to see those old emails


Long Beach State 1991 was the last year, and Fullerton State was 1992.
E-mail is over 40 years old founded in 1971.
Bitnet in the 1980s is an email based program created for education or schools to use.
ARPANet was the forerunner of Internet.
Microsoft have an email program in their Windows Dos program in the 1980s.
MCI also had a program in the 1980s.
Yes, academics had a wide range of use of emails through the 1980s. Usually between departments and inside departments including the athletic's department.

"Email is over 40 years old" I didnt get my first email account 1996. 21 years ago. I had never heard of it until that year. I call bull ship David

Yep, although it may have "been around" before 1995, virtually no one used it prior to then. 1996 was also the exact year we first started using email. I worked for a US government agency then, and that was the first year everyone started using email. Heck, we were using typewriters and typing out memos in the early 90's.

That's what I thought.
I called Bullship DaveySt, and I stand by what I said. I don't believe there's any emails regarding Fullerton etc dropping football.
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(04-18-2017 05:04 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  It was dropping even before the move to FCS. Funny how other FCS schools like Montana, Montana St, EWU, Weber St for instance have good support even though they are FCS.
UI can't stomach the success of Boise St and that is all that it boils down to even though they have a deficit for being FBS. Idaho has done squat since they move to FBS, they still have a 16k dome that is aging and still haven't have any big donations over the years from 1995 to build an arena and build a new FBS stadium.
No alumni has really stepped up to put a big donation to make UI and FBS school. They belong in the FCS.

Uh...Montana and Montana State are outliers in the FCS world. We're talking two of the top 10 teams in terms of attendance and support. Not that that helped them much last year.

And EWU? Yeah they averaged something like 5K a game for their three home playoff games. Not sure what kind of support that is. Also not sure how that's "funny".

Idaho has bottom 10 attendance in FBS but would be in the top 20 or so at the FCS level. That's if attendance stays stagnant though. It's likely to decrease back to average FCS levels in 2018 and beyond.

You're right that Idaho has done nothing to help themselves. No question about that. Dumb decisions for decades leading to this point. Don't know what the hell else you're trying to say other than that though. I guess trying to make this all about Boise State, but I suppose that's not surprising.
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(04-18-2017 07:24 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Yep, although it may have "been around" before 1995, virtually no one used it prior to then. 1996 was also the exact year we first started using email. I worked for a US government agency then, and that was the first year everyone started using email. Heck, we were using typewriters and typing out memos in the early 90's.

Colleges were earlier adopters, though. We were using email as undergrads at GW 1991-95. It's credible that at least some PCAA athletic departments/ administrations were using early email systems.
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Yea emails have been around a while. I have no idea if those colleges were making great use of it then but I know my family used the internet back in the late 80s-early 90s using things like Prodigy. NOt sure if we bothered using email though which is only really useful if you have somebody to send a message to.
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(04-18-2017 08:25 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Yea emails have been around a while. I have no idea if those colleges were making great use of it then but I know my family used the internet back in the late 80s-early 90s using things like Prodigy. NOt sure if we bothered using email though which is only really useful if you have somebody to send a message to.
That's the thing ... universities tended to already be on the internet by the late 80's, and before the world wide web was invented, "being on the internet" mostly meant the quartet of email, ftp, gopher, and usenet. Email was even used for automatic file distribution using email servers with commands being given on the subject line.

So at the start of the 90's, University administrators were among the group of people MOST likely to have "someone with an email address to send a message to". A lot more .edu addresses than .com addresses back then. It WOULD tend to cluster in different fields and different groups of schools, so it would be hit or miss whether any relevant administrators at a specific school were heavy email users.

(When I got back from Grenada in the late 80's, before I went to grad school, I accessed Internet email indirectly with my Commodore 64 through a bulletin board system that was on the Fidonet. When I went to grad school, internet email addresses were a prerogative of the professors ... I got my first proper internet email account in the early 90's when I finished the time limit to be a teaching assistant/associate and got a job teaching UTK's Intro to Econ course at Pellissippi State.)
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Latah,

You getting the feeling that people who run the state hatched a plan a few years ago to kill Idaho football, and we're about to see phase 2 culminate and phase 3 kick into gear???

This seems too obvious, to me, that FCS is not the end game ... that dropping football is being setup as the only feasible option.
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