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Johns Hopkins , Big Ten Lacrosse and the future
When Hopkins first joined the Big Ten in lacrosse they made a 5 year commitment. "The committee proposed seeking an initial five-year term of league membership, with protection for Johns Hopkins' spot on the conference roster should another full member adopt men's lacrosse." http://hub.jhu.edu/gazette/2013/june/thi...iliation/. We are now almost at the end of year 3 and decisions regarding their future will need to be made.

From Maryland's end I think it's worked out pretty well. Terps will play them REGARDLESS of what their status is (conference member, independent or whatever) but it's nice having them as a Big Ten member. I know it's only been 3 years (almost) but I really like the direction the conference is heading. When the league first started it seemed like it was Maryland, Hopkins and then everyone else. This year, a few of the teams have been ranked and are playing really well. The conference tournament should be fun. I'm curious to see if this is a one year blip of is it the beginning of a trend. We shall have to wait and see.

So back to Hopkins. Do they want to stay? Do they have a reason/reasons to leave? What is the benefit to them for each decision.
1) Hopkins stay and continue to grow the conference?
2) Hopkins leave? Where do they go? Independence, ACC, other?
3) If Hopkins leaves, what does the Big Ten do? Is anyone ready to start a lacrosse program. Is there a program that can be brought in Ala Notre Dame for hockey (I think Hopkins IS that program for lacrosse so this is unlikely.

I *think* Hopkins will stay but the Big Ten REALLY needs to look at its future for lacrosse. Hopkins leaving would kill the conference tournament.
04-18-2017 07:18 AM
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I hope JHU stays and that the Terps and Jays continue to school the flatlanders. BTW, why wouldn't NW play men's lacrosse?
04-18-2017 08:03 AM
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I think that JHU will stay.

The ACC screwed up by not adding JHU when UMD was in the conference.
04-18-2017 08:14 AM
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(04-18-2017 08:03 AM)westwolf Wrote:  I hope JHU stays and that the Terps and Jays continue to school the flatlanders. BTW, why wouldn't NW play men's lacrosse?
They have a women's team who is pretty darn good. I believe the coach is a Maryland alum. I think the issue is title 9 regarding a men's team but don't know that for certain. It is probably the reason for most schools not having it, or at least the more eastern schools. Not sure about the western schools interest.
04-18-2017 08:39 AM
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(04-18-2017 08:14 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  The ACC screwed up by not adding JHU when UMD was in the conference.

I think the lack of UMD makes JHU all the more attractive for the conference now. Maryland may as well be the heart of the sport...and the ACC isn't in it. Does it need to be? I don't know. It doesn't seem like they do now. Down the road, especially if more schools sponsor it, especially in the western part of the country? Maybe.

ACC didn't need them. ACC was so good, it didn't need AQ...NCAA gave them it anyway with only five programs.

But...I think Johns Hopkins wants to be in the ACC more than the Big Ten. Maybe the five-year window was more for the ACC to reexamine its decision than for Hopkins to assess theirs.

Also, I still wonder if Patriot isn't in play. Whether it became one of the bigger conferences with its addition of Loyola. It didn't seem like it did.
04-18-2017 08:47 AM
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(04-18-2017 08:47 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 08:14 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  The ACC screwed up by not adding JHU when UMD was in the conference.

ACC didn't need them. ACC was so good, it didn't need AQ...NCAA gave them it anyway with only five programs.

But...I think Johns Hopkins wants to be in the ACC more than the Big Ten. Maybe the five-year window was more for the ACC to reexamine its decision than for Hopkins to assess theirs.

This is the gist my fears. Boils down to the Big Ten needing Hopkins more than Hopkins needs the Big Ten. Hence my desire for the Big Ten to start looking NOW at possible solutions even if this "problem" never materializes.
04-18-2017 09:49 AM
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Minnesota high schools have plenty of lacrosse teams.

Would like to see the U of MN add men's and women's teams, in the future.
04-18-2017 10:24 AM
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(04-18-2017 10:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Minnesota high schools have plenty of lacrosse teams.

Would like to see the U of MN add men's and women's teams, in the future.

The Star Tribune had a Gopher lax article recently that said lax was five years from varsity.
04-18-2017 10:44 AM
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(04-18-2017 09:49 AM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 08:47 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 08:14 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  The ACC screwed up by not adding JHU when UMD was in the conference.

ACC didn't need them. ACC was so good, it didn't need AQ...NCAA gave them it anyway with only five programs.

But...I think Johns Hopkins wants to be in the ACC more than the Big Ten. Maybe the five-year window was more for the ACC to reexamine its decision than for Hopkins to assess theirs.

This is the gist my fears. Boils down to the Big Ten needing Hopkins more than Hopkins needs the Big Ten. Hence my desire for the Big Ten to start looking NOW at possible solutions even if this "problem" never materializes.

It always seemed off to me how Hopkins mentioned not getting into the ACC when they formally announced they were joining the Big Ten. Like, why raise that at all in that particular release?

Then, always putting off the CIC...I don't get the sense Hopkins really wants to be in the Big Ten. It just tolerates it for now and wants it until it knows it could resume life as an independent or go where it really wants to go.

I think you're right about the Big Ten needing them more than the other way around, but with the ACC getting by on AQ under six teams, I wonder if the Big Ten couldn't also do that. Maryland's pretty much a lock, Hopkins the legacy program, but with OSU and Penn State good enough as well. The Big Ten isn't the ACC...it's not far behind the Patriot, either.
04-18-2017 01:43 PM
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I think the ACC lost the AQ this year, right?
04-18-2017 04:05 PM
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