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RE: Id love to see JMU in the CUSA
(05-02-2017 07:50 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  If JMU is going to be FBS, I would bet that it would be in a conference with Liberty.

Just one idiot's opinion, but I highly doubt any conference is going to include Liberty. Hence, I highly doubt JMU will be in a conference with Liberty.
05-02-2017 07:57 AM
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RE: Id love to see JMU in the CUSA
(05-02-2017 07:57 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 07:50 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  If JMU is going to be FBS, I would bet that it would be in a conference with Liberty.

Just one idiot's opinion, but I highly doubt any conference is going to include Liberty. Hence, I highly doubt JMU will be in a conference with Liberty.

JMU will not join any current conference. Either we help create our ideal home, or we're staying FCS forever. In that scenario, Liberty would likely be needed to get the needed # of schools to form a conference.

Which probably means we're staying FCS forever.
05-02-2017 08:05 AM
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RE: Id love to see JMU in the CUSA
(05-01-2017 04:24 PM)QuinDuke Wrote:  
(04-28-2017 05:45 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(04-25-2017 06:01 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(04-25-2017 05:40 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(04-25-2017 01:39 PM)olddawg Wrote:  I'd do it.....except those mid games. If it were only one home game a year, it might be okay- 2 home games is just unacceptable.

Has anyone taken the time to see if any of their teams play two mid-week home games? Even if they occasionally do, I would expect that to be much more the exception rather than the rule.

Assyrian Duke posted this in the Newest Conference Rumor thread. I believe this is for the 2017 season:

Akron - 3 Tuesday
Bowling Green - 3 Tuesday games, 1 Wednesday
Buffalo - 1 Tuesday, 2 Thursday, 1 Friday
Kent State - 3 Tuesday games, 1 Wednesday
Miami (OH) - 3 Tuesday games, 1 Wednesday
Ohio - 2 Tuesday, 1 Wednesday, 2 Friday
Ball State - 1 Tuesday, 4 Thursday
Central Michigan - 1 Tuesday, 2 Wednesday, 1 Thursday, 1 Friday
Eastern Michigan - 1 Tuesday, 2 Wednesday, 2 Thursday, 1 Friday
Northern Illinois - 1 Wednesday, 3 Thursday, 2 Friday
Toledo - 2 Wednesday, 3 Thursday, 1 Friday
Western Michigan - 3 Wednesdays, 1 Friday

Furthermore, some of the teams only have 2 home games on Saturdays in the entire season. Each team has 4 games in November, because what the week of Thanksgiving is still a regular season week in FBS, whereas it is Round 1 of the playoffs for FCS.

I had no idea is was even close to this. Wow!

I know those schools get knocked for their attendance, but that's gotta be hard on students and alums to make so many midweek games.

With mid-week games you almost need to take attendance with a grain of salt. Attendance is only gonna be but so good when you are playing on Tuesday and Wednesday night multiple times per season. That kind of scheduling is absurd and I don't want to be part of any conference that promotes this type of scheduling. It is not good for anyone, especially the student-athletes.
05-02-2017 08:18 AM
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RE: Id love to see JMU in the CUSA
(05-02-2017 08:05 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 07:57 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 07:50 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  If JMU is going to be FBS, I would bet that it would be in a conference with Liberty.

Just one idiot's opinion, but I highly doubt any conference is going to include Liberty. Hence, I highly doubt JMU will be in a conference with Liberty.

JMU will not join any current conference. Either we help create our ideal home, or we're staying FCS forever. In that scenario, Liberty would likely be needed to get the needed # of schools to form a conference.

Which probably means we're staying FCS forever.

You may be right. I have been noticing of late that "FBS" is kind of fading a little in the sports reporter/blogger lingo these days and we are already seeing the differentiation between usage of P5 and G5 more and more. IOW, college FB reporters now refer to "P5" and "G5" to better identify who they are talking about as opposed to "FBS" as a whole. This is exactly what the P5 folks want. They want that gap to be as huge as possible. The G5 folks like to use "FBS" because it makes them feel as if they are on the same level as the P5. They aren't. And, likely never will be.

Hence, the G5 will likely go through another 5-10 years of denying the inevitable. That is, that this gap is going to get wider and wider. The P5 will drive more and more exclusivity in their country club. TV and money will follow right along. This past week the Sun Belt (aka Island of Misfit Toys) Commish threw cold water on the idea of a middle level of college FB (for now, let's call it G5 though it could and likely will include in the future some of the stronger D1AA programs...most of the CAA, NDSU, etc.) having its own national playoff and stated what he wants is better bowl games for G5 champions. That mentality will likely stick around for another 5-10 years, perhaps more, before they (G5) starting seeing things differently. ESPN keeps a lot of these meaningless bowl games alive. Will be interesting to see if their bubble bursts and more cost/deal pressures force that support to die down.

If a true middle-level arises (big "if" I realize), which would exclude a lot of the current D1AA programs for various reasons, programs like JMU, Richmond, Delaware, and Bill & Gary would likely want to jump into that pool. From there, you can then get ODU, maybe ECU, Marshall and others that have been raised in this thread for a nice geographically, competitively-sound conference. I don't think anybody necessarily "needs" Liberty. I can assure you there will be a lot who will "not want" Liberty for various reasons, to which some will agree and others will not.

Lots of "ifs". There will for certain be a lot of ego's in the G5 that will need another decade to bring down, if ever, in realizing the inevitable is coming. I'm talking about once-big programs like Houston. It's why I say "maybe ECU" above because it will be a kick in the groin to them to join a conference in FB with the names I've listed above if it ever happens.

Some wildcards to watch... 1) as mentioned above ESPN and the financial bubble bursting...the effect on bowls for an already mostly meaningless postseason for G5; 2) TV contracts ending around 2025 could cause some shuffle of the Big 12, which could have a trickle down effect; and 3) pending court cases (there's still more like the O'Bannon case which could cause a ripple effect across all of college athletics)
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RE: Id love to see JMU in the CUSA
(05-02-2017 08:05 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 07:57 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 07:50 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  If JMU is going to be FBS, I would bet that it would be in a conference with Liberty.

Just one idiot's opinion, but I highly doubt any conference is going to include Liberty. Hence, I highly doubt JMU will be in a conference with Liberty.

JMU will not join any current conference. Either we help create our ideal home, or we're staying FCS forever. In that scenario, Liberty would likely be needed to get the needed # of schools to form a conference.

Which probably means we're staying FCS forever.

This is what I believe as well. Mind you, not what I think we should be looking to do, but nevertheless, this is where I think our admin stands.

Though, I do think that Jeff Bourne and Co. have issues with being associated with Liberty. You ask why, well I'm not sure, but when we signed a deal with them in 2007 for a four game series to begin in 2008, skipped out on our first meeting on the gridiron, and continue to not fulfill (otherwise postpone) our obligation, there must be a burr under the saddle JB sits on.

I can only venture a guess that there are two issues we have with a LU association, academics and their ability to outspend us. While I understand the concern, but running scared isn't an good answer.

The proof for me is the outlandish bid to host a first round game, back in 2014, of over $200K. We went from bidding less than $50K in 2012 to bidding over four times as much two years later. I believe few of us would have taken issue with a losing bid of $80K to $100K in 2012. Then in 2014, I believe we would have been prudent to bid of $100K to $125K.

Speaking only for myself, but I respect wise decisions even if we don't get the prize and I don't see an abundance of wise athletic decisions (beyond facilities) coming out of the JMU suits.
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RE: Id love to see JMU in the CUSA
(05-02-2017 08:54 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 08:05 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 07:57 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  
(05-02-2017 07:50 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  If JMU is going to be FBS, I would bet that it would be in a conference with Liberty.

Just one idiot's opinion, but I highly doubt any conference is going to include Liberty. Hence, I highly doubt JMU will be in a conference with Liberty.

JMU will not join any current conference. Either we help create our ideal home, or we're staying FCS forever. In that scenario, Liberty would likely be needed to get the needed # of schools to form a conference.

Which probably means we're staying FCS forever.

This is what I believe as well. Mind you, not what I think we should be looking to do, but nevertheless, this is where I think our admin stands.

Though, I do think that Jeff Bourne and Co. have issues with being associated with Liberty. You ask why, well I'm not sure, but when we signed a deal with them in 2007 for a four game series to begin in 2008, skipped out on our first meeting on the gridiron, and continue to not fulfill (otherwise postpone) our obligation, there must be a burr under the saddle JB sits on.

I can only venture a guess that there are two issues we have with a LU association, academics and their ability to outspend us. While I understand the concern, but running scared isn't an good answer.

The proof for me is the outlandish bid to host a first round game, back in 2014, of over $200K. We went from bidding less than $50K in 2012 to bidding over four times as much two years later. I believe few of us would have taken issue with a losing bid of $80K to $100K in 2012. Then in 2014, I believe we would have been prudent to bid of $100K to $125K.

Speaking only for myself, but I respect wise decisions even if we don't get the prize and I don't see an abundance of wise athletic decisions (beyond facilities) coming out of the JMU suits.

JMU would need more self righteousness than Liberty to beat the regional drum then turn around and not want to be in a conference with a 1A program 90 minutes away.

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05-02-2017 11:22 AM
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