http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...ersigning/

Quote:The legislation was part of an extensive bundled, congressional-like bill and aims to accomplish the following...

• Changing the recruiting calendar to allow for an early signing period in December (effective Aug. 1). Only the Collegiate Commissioners Association can create new National Letter of Intent signing periods.
• Adding a period for official visits that begins April 1 of the junior year and ends the Sunday before the last Wednesday in June of that year. Official visits can't occur in conjunction with a prospect's participation in a school's camp or clinic (effective Aug. 1).
• Preventing Football Bowl Subdivision schools from hiring people close to a prospective student-athlete for a two-year period before and after the student's anticipated and actual enrollment at the school. This provision was adopted in men's basketball in 2010 (effective immediately, though schools may honor contracts signed before Jan. 18, 2017).
• Football Bowl Subdivision schools would be limited to signing 25 prospective and current student-athletes to a first-time financial aid agreement or a National Letter of Intent. Exceptions would exclude current student-athletes who have been enrolled full-time at the school for at least two years and prospective or current student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury (effective for recruits who sign after Aug. 1, 2017).
• Limiting the time for Football Bowl Subdivision coaches to participate in camps and clinics to 10 days in June and July and requires that the camps take place on a school's campus or in facilities regularly used by the school for practice or competition. Staff members with football-specific responsibilities would be subject to the same restrictions. The Football Championship Subdivision can conduct and participate in camps during the months of June and July (effective immediately, though schools may honor contracts signed before Jan. 18, 2017).
• Allowing coaches employed at a camp or clinic to have recruiting conversations with prospects participating in camps and clinics and requires educational sessions at all camps and clinics detailing initial eligibility standards, gambling rules, agent rules and drug regulations (effective immediately).
• Allowing Football Bowl Subdivision schools to hire a 10th assistant coach (effective Jan. 9, 2018).

(04-14-2017 01:59 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...ersigning/

Quote:The legislation was part of an extensive bundled, congressional-like bill and aims to accomplish the following...

• Changing the recruiting calendar to allow for an early signing period in December (effective Aug. 1). Only the Collegiate Commissioners Association can create new National Letter of Intent signing periods.
• Adding a period for official visits that begins April 1 of the junior year and ends the Sunday before the last Wednesday in June of that year. Official visits can't occur in conjunction with a prospect's participation in a school's camp or clinic (effective Aug. 1).
• Preventing Football Bowl Subdivision schools from hiring people close to a prospective student-athlete for a two-year period before and after the student's anticipated and actual enrollment at the school. This provision was adopted in men's basketball in 2010 (effective immediately, though schools may honor contracts signed before Jan. 18, 2017).
• Football Bowl Subdivision schools would be limited to signing 25 prospective and current student-athletes to a first-time financial aid agreement or a National Letter of Intent. Exceptions would exclude current student-athletes who have been enrolled full-time at the school for at least two years and prospective or current student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury (effective for recruits who sign after Aug. 1, 2017).
• Limiting the time for Football Bowl Subdivision coaches to participate in camps and clinics to 10 days in June and July and requires that the camps take place on a school's campus or in facilities regularly used by the school for practice or competition. Staff members with football-specific responsibilities would be subject to the same restrictions. The Football Championship Subdivision can conduct and participate in camps during the months of June and July (effective immediately, though schools may honor contracts signed before Jan. 18, 2017).
• Allowing coaches employed at a camp or clinic to have recruiting conversations with prospects participating in camps and clinics and requires educational sessions at all camps and clinics detailing initial eligibility standards, gambling rules, agent rules and drug regulations (effective immediately).
• Allowing Football Bowl Subdivision schools to hire a 10th assistant coach (effective Jan. 9, 2018).

How is limiting LOI's to 25 different than now? Schools have gotten around this in the past by tactics such as "greyshirting" and the like. Does the language now close those loopholes?

If they really want to prevent 'oversigning' they need to cut scholarship amounts per team down by at least ten. The worst players at an elite program will hardly ever see the field but they take it because they're at Alabama or Ohio State or whatever. However, their coaches do care because it means they have ten really good players on their team who could be starting at a good P5, which would push decent players at the bottom of those rosters to low P5s and good G5s, which would keep cascading from there. We don't need to get crazy and go down to 53 like the NFL, but going from 85 to something around 70 would still allow teams to have plenty of depth for their programs and increase competitive balance.

(04-14-2017 02:03 PM)ken d Wrote:  How is limiting LOI's to 25 different than now? Schools have gotten around this in the past by tactics such as "greyshirting" and the like. Does the language now close those loopholes?

Wild guess (could easily be wrong): grayshirts have signed something in the past (could be NLI) that prevents them from changing their mind or something along those lines. Now, they can't sign anything official.

(04-14-2017 02:22 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  We don't need to get crazy and go down to 53 like the NFL, but going from 85 to something around 70 would still allow teams to have plenty of depth for their programs and increase competitive balance.

Yup, at the very least, you cut some of the operating costs. You also then get to alleviate the burden across your entire athletic department by not having to counter the Title IX thing as much. There's millions in savings.

But...there's no interest in overall competitive balance. If you're UCLA or Cal, you don't want SDSU or Fresno State almost as good as or better than you. Just as those Cal State schools wouldn't be cool with a lower number motivating another Cal or Cal State school to consider FBS-level sponsorship.

FBS football is like the self-flagellating monk. It's a brutal job taking the world's problems as your own for some sort of greater purpose, but, someone's got to do it.

1) Changing the recruiting calendar to allow for an early signing period in December (effective Aug. 1). Only the Collegiate Commissioners Association can create new National Letter of Intent signing periods.


2) Adding a period for official visits that begins April 1 of the junior year and ends the Sunday before the last Wednesday in June of that year. Official visits can't occur in conjunction with a prospect's participation in a school's camp or clinic (effective Aug. 1).


3) Preventing Football Bowl Subdivision schools from hiring people close to a prospective student-athlete for a two-year period before and after the student's anticipated and actual enrollment at the school. This provision was adopted in men's basketball in 2010 (effective immediately, though schools may honor contracts signed before Jan. 18, 2017).


4) Football Bowl Subdivision schools would be limited to signing 25 prospective and current student-athletes to a first-time financial aid agreement or a National Letter of Intent. Exceptions would exclude current student-athletes who have been enrolled full-time at the school for at least two years and prospective or current student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury (effective for recruits who sign after Aug. 1, 2017).


5) Limits the time for Football Bowl Subdivision coaches to participate in camps and clinics to 10 days in June and July and requires that the camps take place on a school's campus or in facilities regularly used by the school for practice or competition. Staff members with football-specific responsibilities would be subject to the same restrictions. The Football Championship Subdivision can conduct and participate in camps during the months of June and July (effective immediately, though schools may honor contracts signed before Jan. 18, 2017).


6) Allowing coaches employed at a camp or clinic to have recruiting conversations with prospects participating in camps and clinics and requires educational sessions at all camps and clinics detailing initial eligibility standards, gambling rules, agent rules and drug regulations (effective immediately).


Allowing Football Bowl Subdivision schools to hire a 10th assistant coach (effective Jan. 9, 2018).



1) Not sure if this is really that big of a deal. December or February, so what?

2) Notre Dame sees this as a huge benefit for its recruiting efforts, as it gets players to take official, paid for visits to ND much earlier than before.

(ND's recruits aren't local and this gives a chance for official visits there before too many "unofficial" visits elsewhere closer to the kid)

3) Good. Eliminate the "jobs" for a recruit's parent or high school coach.

4) Good. No more "oversigning", "greyshirts" and other BS.

5) The "Jim Harbaugh Satellite Camp" Rule. Good.

6) Meh.

(04-15-2017 09:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:  1) Not sure if this is really that big of a deal. December or February, so what?

Coaches hate it, because they want every last second to "steal" someone else's committed recruit (but not signed), once their target commits to a different school.

But then again, coaches love it, because they want to lock their target in as soon as he commits.


Baby steps. But I do believe we'll have a true early signing period.

(04-15-2017 09:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:  5) The "Jim Harbaugh Satellite Camp" Rule. Good.

6) Meh.

If I'm understanding the new rules correctly, it would make it so there could no longer be a "Michigan Wolverines Football Camp, in Miami, Florida" ... but would not prevent Harbaugh (or other Michigan coaches) from being a guest coach at the University of Miami football camp, and rule 6 would explicitly allow him to recruit campers while he was there.

(04-14-2017 02:22 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  If they really want to prevent 'oversigning' they need to cut scholarship amounts per team down by at least ten. The worst players at an elite program will hardly ever see the field but they take it because they're at Alabama or Ohio State or whatever. However, their coaches do care because it means they have ten really good players on their team who could be starting at a good P5, which would push decent players at the bottom of those rosters to low P5s and good G5s, which would keep cascading from there. We don't need to get crazy and go down to 53 like the NFL, but going from 85 to something around 70 would still allow teams to have plenty of depth for their programs and increase competitive balance.

So you're advocating cutting almost 2000 kids out of a scholarship?

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(04-15-2017 12:58 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 02:22 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  If they really want to prevent 'oversigning' they need to cut scholarship amounts per team down by at least ten. The worst players at an elite program will hardly ever see the field but they take it because they're at Alabama or Ohio State or whatever. However, their coaches do care because it means they have ten really good players on their team who could be starting at a good P5, which would push decent players at the bottom of those rosters to low P5s and good G5s, which would keep cascading from there. We don't need to get crazy and go down to 53 like the NFL, but going from 85 to something around 70 would still allow teams to have plenty of depth for their programs and increase competitive balance.

So you're advocating cutting almost 2000 kids out of a scholarship?

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You don't have to go cold turkey and tell teams "you've gotta cut your roster down by 15 for next season okay bye" and throw kids on the street, you can phase it in over multiple seasons by shrinking the amount of LOIs a team can sign over the course of a few seasons. And even if you did have to make cuts, you could certainly allow teams to honor existing scholarships for the remainder of their eligibility.

Of course, that's still a big chunk of kids that will get shut out of the process, but the game will adapt and those athletes can find other avenues to college athletics. There are no easy solutions.

(04-15-2017 12:58 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 02:22 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  If they really want to prevent 'oversigning' they need to cut scholarship amounts per team down by at least ten. The worst players at an elite program will hardly ever see the field but they take it because they're at Alabama or Ohio State or whatever. However, their coaches do care because it means they have ten really good players on their team who could be starting at a good P5, which would push decent players at the bottom of those rosters to low P5s and good G5s, which would keep cascading from there. We don't need to get crazy and go down to 53 like the NFL, but going from 85 to something around 70 would still allow teams to have plenty of depth for their programs and increase competitive balance.

So you're advocating cutting almost 2000 kids out of a scholarship?

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Sure. It means less subsidy from other students and maybe even more scholarships for academics instead of athletics.

Now I don't see it happening. The powers want the depth, not just to keep people away from the competition, but to allow for their recruiting mistakes. Of course, that also means the powers get to take more academic and character risks. I don't think that's a good thing. They could easily go to 75 and probably 70.

And it would be phased in, so the impact would be on kids still in high school. It would be reduced to say 82 the first year, 78 the 2nd, 74 the 3rd and 70 the 4th. And those 2000 kids would generally get FCS scholarships and those kids would get Division II scholarships. It would be the Division II level kids who would tend to get shut out.

I'm with you bullet. 70 sounds just fine to me.

That's 25 new signees, then with attrition and graduation after year four, you get 17, 12, 8, 8. Which is 28 fifth, fourth, and third year players ... well more than enough to win ball games. Plus first and second year players can meaningfully contribute these days.

Or 25, 18,15,12, if we ever get back to four year cycles.