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RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition
Not against beach volleyball by any means, but to me it is a gimmicky add, on the level of adding bowling.

Beach/sand vball is actually substantially different than indoor vball. There are some different rules for how you can hit the ball, and it's usually played with 2's (two players per team). Indoor is played with 6's.

Indoor already has a competitive off-season (spring), and the girls train year round for indoor.


I'm sure you meant well, but I actually doubt the indoor coach is going to let his/her girls play sand. It's not a complimentary sport, the way that say XC is for the track distance runners.
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RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition
(04-16-2017 08:19 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Not against beach volleyball by any means, but to me it is a gimmicky add, on the level of adding bowling.

Beach/sand vball is actually substantially different than indoor vball. There are some different rules for how you can hit the ball, and it's usually played with 2's (two players per team). Indoor is played with 6's.

Indoor already has a competitive off-season (spring), and the girls train year round for indoor.


I'm sure you meant well, but I actually doubt the indoor coach is going to let his/her girls play sand. It's not a complimentary sport, the way that say XC is for the track distance runners.

I suspect sand volleyball (proper term everyone in this thread) :) is being viewed by coaches at good volleyball programs as a place to park the kid they'd like to get walk-on but has a spot at another Division I.

The upside I see for it is it is a sport with pro potential for the better players
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RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition
(04-16-2017 08:19 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Not against beach volleyball by any means, but to me it is a gimmicky add, on the level of adding bowling.

Beach/sand vball is actually substantially different than indoor vball. There are some different rules for how you can hit the ball, and it's usually played with 2's (two players per team). Indoor is played with 6's.

Indoor already has a competitive off-season (spring), and the girls train year round for indoor.


I'm sure you meant well, but I actually doubt the indoor coach is going to let his/her girls play sand. It's not a complimentary sport, the way that say XC is for the track distance runners.

As the father of a D1 Volleyball player I can confirm this statement is not correct in terms of being complementary to indoor. Full rotation players are often told to play beach versus being kept from playing beach. The hours of allowed practice in the off season is a fraction of the allowed hours in season.

The real reason for this move, is it allows schools to cut sports scholarship or hold sport expenses flat but keep their participation numbers up. The girls who play both sports count as two participants but only cost a single scholarship for the school. When the Federal Government asks to see participation numbers (especially for women) the school can show them growing without actually having to spend more dollars. This trend is all about showing Title IX compliance on the cheap.
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Many D2 schools are adding sports big time. Some of them are adding Beach Volleyball which seems they would be playing in D1 since D2 does not sponsor the sport yet.

I have to congratulate Adams State for making history by giving a scholarship to a female place kicker for football. She have been playing on the boys high school team in Arizona.
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(04-16-2017 01:46 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  The hours of allowed practice in the off season is a fraction of the allowed hours in season.

Fair enough. Though I'm quite certain that indoor has a competitive season in the spring, somewhat akin to football's spring camp/practice. I still have my doubts that Coach Hugh at Minnesota would be advocating for any of his indoor players to participate on a varsity sand team, if one is ever started. But perhaps at lower schools/programs, it would be a way to get players on the bench more "game like" reps.

That doesn't prove that sand is complimentary to indoor. By far and wide, it's a completely different game.


(04-16-2017 01:46 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  When the Federal Government asks to see participation numbers (especially for women) the school can show them growing without actually having to spend more dollars.

This is actually backwards. The government only counts unduplicated participants. That's why the EiA database has a specific number for that as the bottom line for participation.
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RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition
(04-16-2017 08:19 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Not against beach volleyball by any means, but to me it is a gimmicky add, on the level of adding bowling.

Beach/sand vball is actually substantially different than indoor vball. There are some different rules for how you can hit the ball, and it's usually played with 2's (two players per team). Indoor is played with 6's.

Indoor already has a competitive off-season (spring), and the girls train year round for indoor.


I'm sure you meant well, but I actually doubt the indoor coach is going to let his/her girls play sand. It's not a complimentary sport, the way that say XC is for the track distance runners.

It's a gimmick, but a successful one. The Olympics lent it credibility and the play is fun to watch. But it is fun to watch because the women are typically young, in great shape, and wearing bikinis. It also moves quickly. I don't think it would have made it to its present popularity if it had just been for men. I may be wrong, but that's how I see it.
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Heh ... I'm not against the sport at all. I wasn't saying the sport itself is a gimmick. But that also doesn't negate anything you just said, JR.

I'll just say that "real" volleyball ... or at least the "pinnacle" of volleyball competition ... is indoor 6's.


Sand 2's is fun to watch, good for TV, and good for the olympics and FIVB to continue growth in the sport overall. But I don't think it makes sense for the NCAA.
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(04-17-2017 09:05 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-16-2017 01:46 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  The hours of allowed practice in the off season is a fraction of the allowed hours in season.

Fair enough. Though I'm quite certain that indoor has a competitive season in the spring, somewhat akin to football's spring camp/practice. I still have my doubts that Coach Hugh at Minnesota would be advocating for any of his indoor players to participate on a varsity sand team, if one is ever started. But perhaps at lower schools/programs, it would be a way to get players on the bench more "game like" reps.

That doesn't prove that sand is complimentary to indoor. By far and wide, it's a completely different game.


(04-16-2017 01:46 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  When the Federal Government asks to see participation numbers (especially for women) the school can show them growing without actually having to spend more dollars.

This is actually backwards. The government only counts unduplicated participants. That's why the EiA database has a specific number for that as the bottom line for participation.

You comment quite a bit on things you have no clue. Nebraska just added Beach. UCLA and USC both have beach and all their full rotation players play. Why do you think that would be?

In terms of unduplicated participants, I would be happy to see the data. The last government report I saw on participation rates did not show that but perhaps things have changed.
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RE: Athletic Department cuts around the country - 2017 Edition
Nebraska is a great comparison for Minnesota. Both are top 5 programs in the nation, and both in the midwest and Big Ten conf.

Just checking the Nebraska athletics website: the coaching staff for beach are all listed as coaches for indoor, including the same head coach. The roster for beach is mostly the same as indoor, with a few different. I could well be wrong that rosters for indoor and beach would be different. If it happens that way, then so be it.


However, I am absolutely correct that sand and indoor are very different sports, and not really complimentary in several factors. The benefit would be the additional playing time/reps. NOT because being good at sand helps your indoor game. That is not true. You can continue to deny that, but it just means you haven't played the two different types and don't understand the differences.


All you need to do is go to the EiA website and select any particular school, then click on the participants tab. The bottom line is *unduplicated* participants. That's what the DOEd cares about, for Title IX. https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/search
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Boise State. Wrestling. Dead.
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