(04-15-2017 03:20 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  We should absolutely try to schedule quality A-10 and MWC opponents, but creating a challenge with either conference is not going to help our perception. P5 + Big East or bust.

agreed...the pac 12 is available.

(04-15-2017 03:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  MWC could be OK..

Memphis vs UNLV
Cincy vs New Mexico
WSU vs CSU
Connecticut vs Nevada
SMU vs SDSU
Temple vs Boise State
Houston vs Fresno State
UCF vs Wyoming

Lord no. The MW is horrible---and inconvenient. We don't need a "me too" conference challenge just so we can say we have one. Just schedule better and create a league mandated minimal scheduling requirement that keeps RPI's above 150 or so. Give it some teeth. Make it cut the share of tournament credit money in half if you schedule below that level. Done!

You'd see a hell of lot more improvement in RPI with scheduling requirements than from creating some lame conference challenge.

I vote no.

(04-15-2017 08:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 03:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  MWC could be OK..

Memphis vs UNLV
Cincy vs New Mexico
WSU vs CSU
Connecticut vs Nevada
SMU vs SDSU
Temple vs Boise State
Houston vs Fresno State
UCF vs Wyoming

Lord no. The MW is horrible---and inconvenient. We don't need a "me too" conference challenge just so we can say we have one. Just schedule better and create a league mandated minimal scheduling requirement that keeps RPI's above 150 or so. Give it some teeth. Make it cut the share of tournament credit money in half if you schedule below that level. Done!

You'd see a hell of lot more improvement in RPI with scheduling requirements than from creating some lame conference challenge.

Yep, we need scheduling requirements ASAP. Something like... at least 5 non-conference games have to be against teams in the top ten RPI leagues + OOC SOS has to be above 200. Nothing that is impossible to hit, but stringent enough to force teams like ECU to put together a respectable schedule.

Just a reminder, this idea comes from an A10 blogger... I am glad to finally see bloggers here suggest that AAC is better than the A10, I always thought we were better, even before WSU.

The BIG EAST has a mini challenge with the B1G.

Our goal should be the best OOC schedule possible, RPI 150 or better.

And BTW, the MW bites and we should avoid them like the "plague".

We can do mini 3-4 team challenges with any/all of the other top 7 BB conferences.

Just a thought... :-)

I think the mw is comparable to the aac in football. I think it would be great for both comferences to start scheduling agreements.

We kill them in hoops and an aac/mwc hoops challenge would be a bloodbath.

(04-16-2017 01:12 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 03:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  MWC could be OK..

Memphis vs UNLV
Cincy vs New Mexico
WSU vs CSU
Connecticut vs Nevada
SMU vs SDSU
Temple vs Boise State
Houston vs Fresno State
UCF vs Wyoming

Lord no. The MW is horrible---and inconvenient. We don't need a "me too" conference challenge just so we can say we have one. Just schedule better and create a league mandated minimal scheduling requirement that keeps RPI's above 150 or so. Give it some teeth. Make it cut the share of tournament credit money in half if you schedule below that level. Done!

You'd see a hell of lot more improvement in RPI with scheduling requirements than from creating some lame conference challenge.

Yep, we need scheduling requirements ASAP. Something like... at least 5 non-conference games have to be against teams in the top ten RPI leagues + OOC SOS has to be above 200. Nothing that is impossible to hit, but stringent enough to force teams like ECU to put together a respectable schedule.

Getting top 10 teams is pretty tough to do. I'd be happy if we just avoided having teams with schedules that guarantee RPIs of over 150. At least get rid of games where your RPI goes down even if you win. Those types of games are guaranteed losers for the conference,

(04-16-2017 08:01 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I think the mw is comparable to the aac in football. I think it would be great for both comferences to start scheduling agreements.

We kill them in hoops and an aac/mwc hoops challenge would be a bloodbath.

I don't think that would be a bad thing...It would be a good look for us IMHO

(04-16-2017 09:14 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 01:12 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 03:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  MWC could be OK..

Memphis vs UNLV
Cincy vs New Mexico
WSU vs CSU
Connecticut vs Nevada
SMU vs SDSU
Temple vs Boise State
Houston vs Fresno State
UCF vs Wyoming

Lord no. The MW is horrible---and inconvenient. We don't need a "me too" conference challenge just so we can say we have one. Just schedule better and create a league mandated minimal scheduling requirement that keeps RPI's above 150 or so. Give it some teeth. Make it cut the share of tournament credit money in half if you schedule below that level. Done!

You'd see a hell of lot more improvement in RPI with scheduling requirements than from creating some lame conference challenge.

Yep, we need scheduling requirements ASAP. Something like... at least 5 non-conference games have to be against teams in the top ten RPI leagues + OOC SOS has to be above 200. Nothing that is impossible to hit, but stringent enough to force teams like ECU to put together a respectable schedule.

Getting top 10 teams is pretty tough to do. I'd be happy if we just avoided having teams with schedules that guarantee RPIs of over 150. At least get rid of games where your RPI goes down even if you win. Those types of games are guaranteed losers for the conference,

He wasn't saying top 10 teams but teams from the top 10 conferences. In other words don't schedule SWAC, Atlantic Sun, etc. teams.

(04-15-2017 08:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 03:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  MWC could be OK..

Memphis vs UNLV
Cincy vs New Mexico
WSU vs CSU
Connecticut vs Nevada
SMU vs SDSU
Temple vs Boise State
Houston vs Fresno State
UCF vs Wyoming

Lord no. The MW is horrible---and inconvenient. We don't need a "me too" conference challenge just so we can say we have one. Just schedule better and create a league mandated minimal scheduling requirement that keeps RPI's above 150 or so. Give it some teeth. Make it cut the share of tournament credit money in half if you schedule below that level. Done!

You'd see a hell of lot more improvement in RPI with scheduling requirements than from creating some lame conference challenge.

This. 100X this.

(04-16-2017 12:24 PM)Nevadanatural Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 09:14 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 01:12 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 03:16 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  MWC could be OK..

Memphis vs UNLV
Cincy vs New Mexico
WSU vs CSU
Connecticut vs Nevada
SMU vs SDSU
Temple vs Boise State
Houston vs Fresno State
UCF vs Wyoming

Lord no. The MW is horrible---and inconvenient. We don't need a "me too" conference challenge just so we can say we have one. Just schedule better and create a league mandated minimal scheduling requirement that keeps RPI's above 150 or so. Give it some teeth. Make it cut the share of tournament credit money in half if you schedule below that level. Done!

You'd see a hell of lot more improvement in RPI with scheduling requirements than from creating some lame conference challenge.

Yep, we need scheduling requirements ASAP. Something like... at least 5 non-conference games have to be against teams in the top ten RPI leagues + OOC SOS has to be above 200. Nothing that is impossible to hit, but stringent enough to force teams like ECU to put together a respectable schedule.

Getting top 10 teams is pretty tough to do. I'd be happy if we just avoided having teams with schedules that guarantee RPIs of over 150. At least get rid of games where your RPI goes down even if you win. Those types of games are guaranteed losers for the conference,

He wasn't saying top 10 teams but teams from the top 10 conferences. In other words don't schedule SWAC, Atlantic Sun, etc. teams.

Exactly. P5 + Big East, Atlantic 10, Mountain West, West Coast Conference, and Missouri Valley Conference are the ten I had in mind. If you schedule 5 games against schools in those 10 conferences, chances are at least 2 of them will be pretty good.

We had 5 out of 11 schools with non-conference strength of schedule over 200. 3 of those schools were hovering at or over 300. That is not a good look for a league trying to brand itself as a power conference.

(04-16-2017 04:08 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:24 PM)Nevadanatural Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 09:14 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 01:12 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Lord no. The MW is horrible---and inconvenient. We don't need a "me too" conference challenge just so we can say we have one. Just schedule better and create a league mandated minimal scheduling requirement that keeps RPI's above 150 or so. Give it some teeth. Make it cut the share of tournament credit money in half if you schedule below that level. Done!

You'd see a hell of lot more improvement in RPI with scheduling requirements than from creating some lame conference challenge.

Yep, we need scheduling requirements ASAP. Something like... at least 5 non-conference games have to be against teams in the top ten RPI leagues + OOC SOS has to be above 200. Nothing that is impossible to hit, but stringent enough to force teams like ECU to put together a respectable schedule.

Getting top 10 teams is pretty tough to do. I'd be happy if we just avoided having teams with schedules that guarantee RPIs of over 150. At least get rid of games where your RPI goes down even if you win. Those types of games are guaranteed losers for the conference,

He wasn't saying top 10 teams but teams from the top 10 conferences. In other words don't schedule SWAC, Atlantic Sun, etc. teams.

Exactly. P5 + Big East, Atlantic 10, Mountain West, West Coast Conference, and Missouri Valley Conference are the ten I had in mind. If you schedule 5 games against schools in those 10 conferences, chances are at least 2 of them will be pretty good.

We had 5 out of 11 schools with non-conference strength of schedule over 200. 3 of those schools were hovering at or over 300. That is not a good look for a league trying to brand itself as a power conference.

Skip the WCC. After Gonzaga and St Mary's and BYU they are awful teams. Plus other than BYU, they play in high school gyms.

(04-16-2017 04:08 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:24 PM)Nevadanatural Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 09:14 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 01:12 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Lord no. The MW is horrible---and inconvenient. We don't need a "me too" conference challenge just so we can say we have one. Just schedule better and create a league mandated minimal scheduling requirement that keeps RPI's above 150 or so. Give it some teeth. Make it cut the share of tournament credit money in half if you schedule below that level. Done!

You'd see a hell of lot more improvement in RPI with scheduling requirements than from creating some lame conference challenge.

Yep, we need scheduling requirements ASAP. Something like... at least 5 non-conference games have to be against teams in the top ten RPI leagues + OOC SOS has to be above 200. Nothing that is impossible to hit, but stringent enough to force teams like ECU to put together a respectable schedule.

Getting top 10 teams is pretty tough to do. I'd be happy if we just avoided having teams with schedules that guarantee RPIs of over 150. At least get rid of games where your RPI goes down even if you win. Those types of games are guaranteed losers for the conference,

He wasn't saying top 10 teams but teams from the top 10 conferences. In other words don't schedule SWAC, Atlantic Sun, etc. teams.

Exactly. P5 + Big East, Atlantic 10, Mountain West, West Coast Conference, and Missouri Valley Conference are the ten I had in mind. If you schedule 5 games against schools in those 10 conferences, chances are at least 2 of them will be pretty good.

We had 5 out of 11 schools with non-conference strength of schedule over 200. 3 of those schools were hovering at or over 300. That is not a good look for a league trying to brand itself as a power conference.

My bad. I missunderstood.

(04-17-2017 09:32 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 04:08 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:24 PM)Nevadanatural Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 09:14 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 01:12 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Yep, we need scheduling requirements ASAP. Something like... at least 5 non-conference games have to be against teams in the top ten RPI leagues + OOC SOS has to be above 200. Nothing that is impossible to hit, but stringent enough to force teams like ECU to put together a respectable schedule.

Getting top 10 teams is pretty tough to do. I'd be happy if we just avoided having teams with schedules that guarantee RPIs of over 150. At least get rid of games where your RPI goes down even if you win. Those types of games are guaranteed losers for the conference,

He wasn't saying top 10 teams but teams from the top 10 conferences. In other words don't schedule SWAC, Atlantic Sun, etc. teams.

Exactly. P5 + Big East, Atlantic 10, Mountain West, West Coast Conference, and Missouri Valley Conference are the ten I had in mind. If you schedule 5 games against schools in those 10 conferences, chances are at least 2 of them will be pretty good.

We had 5 out of 11 schools with non-conference strength of schedule over 200. 3 of those schools were hovering at or over 300. That is not a good look for a league trying to brand itself as a power conference.

Skip the WCC. After Gonzaga and St Mary's and BYU they are awful teams. Plus other than BYU, they play in high school gyms.

In that case, I would say skip the MVC as well. So let's call the top 8 conferences the ACC, Atlantic 10, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Mountain West, PAC 12, and SEC. Perhaps also include any team that earns a top 12 seed in the NCAA tournament along with that (so you get credit for scheduling a Gonzaga or St. Mary's type of team). Then you say you have to hit one of these requirements or you forfeit your share of the NCAA tournament credits for that season:

Make the NCAA tournament
Top 150 OOC w/4 games vs. top 8 conferences/tournament teams
Top 200 OOC w/5 games vs. top 8 conferences/tournament teams
OOC schedule w/6 games vs. top 8 conferences/tournament teams

The above requirements would protect a team like Tulane who scheduled quality opponents but was unlucky with most of them having a down year. It would also punish teams like USF and East Carolina who pretty much go out of their way to schedule as soft as possible.