(04-15-2017 11:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:37 PM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:31 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I would call myself unethical if I took 3 mill for the results Tubby got last year, but I set my own bar very high---others are free to set theirs wherever they choose.

I would have recruited my ass off to get more players

No doubt you have one heck of a major point there. As far as salary goes, he vastly underachieved.

Just a question ? not being snarky or rude but underachieved as compared to?

As compared to 3 million a year. Only in that context. Or, are you saying he did a 3million job last year compared to all the other coaches in college basketball making 3 million a year?

I did not say anything just wanted clarification , 3 mill is a good drop but I do not think we have anything to compare it to yet. How many overpaid players and coaches are out on the national scene? If that is what the Big guys "$$$" were willing to pay , wouldn't Tubby be really dumb to leave money on the table.

I have said before, I wasn't rah-rah about Tubby from the jump. I do respect the Man and what he has accomplished in his career and now he is our coach. So I hope and wish Tubby the best not only for Him as Coach, but for Tiger Nation as a whole if Tubby wins then we win.

We gotta give the guy breathing room to do some work. I know , I know he did not come in like a flaming comet recruiting but I do not think Tubby was even prepared for our Fanatical Fan Base and I mean that with the best intentions we are very passionate and smart compared to a ton of basketball school's. I have seen Grandmother's who know what a "charge" is and will scream at the T.V.. That should tell you all you need to know about ground level knowledge and the grasp of the game, but after 1 year I don't think we can compare it to anything even the $$ part.

(04-16-2017 12:12 AM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:37 PM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:31 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I would call myself unethical if I took 3 mill for the results Tubby got last year, but I set my own bar very high---others are free to set theirs wherever they choose.

I would have recruited my ass off to get more players

No doubt you have one heck of a major point there. As far as salary goes, he vastly underachieved.

Just a question ? not being snarky or rude but underachieved as compared to?

As compared to 3 million a year. Only in that context. Or, are you saying he did a 3million job last year compared to all the other coaches in college basketball making 3 million a year?

I did not say anything just wanted clarification , 3 mill is a good drop but I do not think we have anything to compare it to yet. How many overpaid players and coaches are out on the national scene? If that is what the Big guys "$$$" were willing to pay , wouldn't Tubby be really dumb to leave money on the table.

I have said before, I wasn't rah-rah about Tubby from the jump. I do respect the Man and what he has accomplished in his career and now he is our coach. So I hope and wish Tubby the best not only for Him as Coach, but for Tiger Nation as a whole if Tubby wins then we win.

We gotta give the guy breathing room to do some work. I know , I know he did not come in like a flaming comet recruiting but I do not think Tubby was even prepared for our Fanatical Fan Base and I mean that with the best intentions we are very passionate and smart compared to a ton of basketball school's. I have seen Grandmother's who know what a "charge" is and will scream at the T.V.. That should tell you all you need to know about ground level knowledge and the grasp of the game, but after 1 year I don't think we can compare it to anything even the $$ part.

Has Pearl been overpaid at Auburn the last 4 years? I'm not sure they have hit .500 yet?

(04-16-2017 12:16 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:12 AM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:37 PM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:31 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  No doubt you have one heck of a major point there. As far as salary goes, he vastly underachieved.

Just a question ? not being snarky or rude but underachieved as compared to?

As compared to 3 million a year. Only in that context. Or, are you saying he did a 3million job last year compared to all the other coaches in college basketball making 3 million a year?

I did not say anything just wanted clarification , 3 mill is a good drop but I do not think we have anything to compare it to yet. How many overpaid players and coaches are out on the national scene? If that is what the Big guys "$$$" were willing to pay , wouldn't Tubby be really dumb to leave money on the table.

I have said before, I wasn't rah-rah about Tubby from the jump. I do respect the Man and what he has accomplished in his career and now he is our coach. So I hope and wish Tubby the best not only for Him as Coach, but for Tiger Nation as a whole if Tubby wins then we win.

We gotta give the guy breathing room to do some work. I know , I know he did not come in like a flaming comet recruiting but I do not think Tubby was even prepared for our Fanatical Fan Base and I mean that with the best intentions we are very passionate and smart compared to a ton of basketball school's. I have seen Grandmother's who know what a "charge" is and will scream at the T.V.. That should tell you all you need to know about ground level knowledge and the grasp of the game, but after 1 year I don't think we can compare it to anything even the $$ part.

Has Pearl been overpaid at Auburn the last 4 years? I'm not sure they have hit .500 yet?

That's their problem. Auburn shouldn't have written that no cheating clause in his contract.

(04-16-2017 12:39 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:16 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:12 AM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:37 PM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  Just a question ? not being snarky or rude but underachieved as compared to?

As compared to 3 million a year. Only in that context. Or, are you saying he did a 3million job last year compared to all the other coaches in college basketball making 3 million a year?

I did not say anything just wanted clarification , 3 mill is a good drop but I do not think we have anything to compare it to yet. How many overpaid players and coaches are out on the national scene? If that is what the Big guys "$$$" were willing to pay , wouldn't Tubby be really dumb to leave money on the table.

I have said before, I wasn't rah-rah about Tubby from the jump. I do respect the Man and what he has accomplished in his career and now he is our coach. So I hope and wish Tubby the best not only for Him as Coach, but for Tiger Nation as a whole if Tubby wins then we win.

We gotta give the guy breathing room to do some work. I know , I know he did not come in like a flaming comet recruiting but I do not think Tubby was even prepared for our Fanatical Fan Base and I mean that with the best intentions we are very passionate and smart compared to a ton of basketball school's. I have seen Grandmother's who know what a "charge" is and will scream at the T.V.. That should tell you all you need to know about ground level knowledge and the grasp of the game, but after 1 year I don't think we can compare it to anything even the $$ part.

Has Pearl been overpaid at Auburn the last 4 years? I'm not sure they have hit .500 yet?

That's their problem. Auburn shouldn't have written that no cheating clause in his contract.

So it has been settled you have to cheat to win ,,, Hmmm something to ponder and think about. Good point

Some do. Some don't. He does.

(04-16-2017 12:44 AM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:39 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:16 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:12 AM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  As compared to 3 million a year. Only in that context. Or, are you saying he did a 3million job last year compared to all the other coaches in college basketball making 3 million a year?

I did not say anything just wanted clarification , 3 mill is a good drop but I do not think we have anything to compare it to yet. How many overpaid players and coaches are out on the national scene? If that is what the Big guys "$$$" were willing to pay , wouldn't Tubby be really dumb to leave money on the table.

I have said before, I wasn't rah-rah about Tubby from the jump. I do respect the Man and what he has accomplished in his career and now he is our coach. So I hope and wish Tubby the best not only for Him as Coach, but for Tiger Nation as a whole if Tubby wins then we win.

We gotta give the guy breathing room to do some work. I know , I know he did not come in like a flaming comet recruiting but I do not think Tubby was even prepared for our Fanatical Fan Base and I mean that with the best intentions we are very passionate and smart compared to a ton of basketball school's. I have seen Grandmother's who know what a "charge" is and will scream at the T.V.. That should tell you all you need to know about ground level knowledge and the grasp of the game, but after 1 year I don't think we can compare it to anything even the $$ part.

Has Pearl been overpaid at Auburn the last 4 years? I'm not sure they have hit .500 yet?

That's their problem. Auburn shouldn't have written that no cheating clause in his contract.

So it has been settled you have to cheat to win ,,, Hmmm something to ponder and think about. Good point

I think it's the only way get it going quickly, yes I do. You can't start to attract the top players when the team isn't projected to win, you have to cheat to get them to play for you. Why as a 5 STAR would you play for a team that will most likely lose, and not offer you a vehicle to showcase your talent. They won't, that is why to build it clean, you have to do it through coaching. Much like Fuente did it in football.

(04-16-2017 12:55 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:44 AM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:39 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:16 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:12 AM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  I did not say anything just wanted clarification , 3 mill is a good drop but I do not think we have anything to compare it to yet. How many overpaid players and coaches are out on the national scene? If that is what the Big guys "$$$" were willing to pay , wouldn't Tubby be really dumb to leave money on the table.

I have said before, I wasn't rah-rah about Tubby from the jump. I do respect the Man and what he has accomplished in his career and now he is our coach. So I hope and wish Tubby the best not only for Him as Coach, but for Tiger Nation as a whole if Tubby wins then we win.

We gotta give the guy breathing room to do some work. I know , I know he did not come in like a flaming comet recruiting but I do not think Tubby was even prepared for our Fanatical Fan Base and I mean that with the best intentions we are very passionate and smart compared to a ton of basketball school's. I have seen Grandmother's who know what a "charge" is and will scream at the T.V.. That should tell you all you need to know about ground level knowledge and the grasp of the game, but after 1 year I don't think we can compare it to anything even the $$ part.

Has Pearl been overpaid at Auburn the last 4 years? I'm not sure they have hit .500 yet?

That's their problem. Auburn shouldn't have written that no cheating clause in his contract.

So it has been settled you have to cheat to win ,,, Hmmm something to ponder and think about. Good point

I think it's the only way get it going quickly, yes I do. You can't start to attract the top players when the team isn't projected to win, you have to cheat to get them to play for you. Why as a 5 STAR would you play for a team that will most likely lose, and not offer you a vehicle to showcase your talent. They won't, that is why to build it clean, you have to do it through coaching. Much like Fuente did it in football.

Good point as well and something to think about !!

(04-15-2017 11:53 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:46 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I would call myself unethical if I took 3 mill for the results Tubby got last year, but I set my own bar very high---others are free to set theirs wherever they choose.

I would have recruited my ass off to get more players

Just because they didn't sign great players doesn't mean they didn't try.

Just like Pastner didn't try to coach, he tried real hard, he's just not very good at it.

lol. Pastner tried hard at everything. Rumor has it that this staff, with the exception of Joe Esposito, doesn't even break a sweat.

You are gonna believe a rumor?

(04-15-2017 11:56 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:37 PM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:31 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I would call myself unethical if I took 3 mill for the results Tubby got last year, but I set my own bar very high---others are free to set theirs wherever they choose.

I would have recruited my ass off to get more players

No doubt you have one heck of a major point there. As far as salary goes, he vastly underachieved.

Just a question ? not being snarky or rude but underachieved as compared to?

As compared to 3 million a year. Only in that context. Or, are you saying he did a 3million job last year compared to all the other coaches in college basketball making 3 million a year?

Did any coach get paid 3 mill not to make the NIT? I don't go in for stats , but that question does jump out.

Yes

(04-16-2017 08:07 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:56 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:37 PM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:31 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  No doubt you have one heck of a major point there. As far as salary goes, he vastly underachieved.

Just a question ? not being snarky or rude but underachieved as compared to?

As compared to 3 million a year. Only in that context. Or, are you saying he did a 3million job last year compared to all the other coaches in college basketball making 3 million a year?

Did any coach get paid 3 mill not to make the NIT? I don't go in for stats , but that question does jump out.

Yes

(04-16-2017 01:18 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:53 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:46 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I would call myself unethical if I took 3 mill for the results Tubby got last year, but I set my own bar very high---others are free to set theirs wherever they choose.

I would have recruited my ass off to get more players

Just because they didn't sign great players doesn't mean they didn't try.

Just like Pastner didn't try to coach, he tried real hard, he's just not very good at it.

lol. Pastner tried hard at everything. Rumor has it that this staff, with the exception of Joe Esposito, doesn't even break a sweat.

You are gonna believe a rumor?

Nah... I go with results. Beliefs, rumors and message board opinions are just for fun.

(04-16-2017 12:44 AM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:39 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:16 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:12 AM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  As compared to 3 million a year. Only in that context. Or, are you saying he did a 3million job last year compared to all the other coaches in college basketball making 3 million a year?

I did not say anything just wanted clarification , 3 mill is a good drop but I do not think we have anything to compare it to yet. How many overpaid players and coaches are out on the national scene? If that is what the Big guys "$$$" were willing to pay , wouldn't Tubby be really dumb to leave money on the table.

I have said before, I wasn't rah-rah about Tubby from the jump. I do respect the Man and what he has accomplished in his career and now he is our coach. So I hope and wish Tubby the best not only for Him as Coach, but for Tiger Nation as a whole if Tubby wins then we win.

We gotta give the guy breathing room to do some work. I know , I know he did not come in like a flaming comet recruiting but I do not think Tubby was even prepared for our Fanatical Fan Base and I mean that with the best intentions we are very passionate and smart compared to a ton of basketball school's. I have seen Grandmother's who know what a "charge" is and will scream at the T.V.. That should tell you all you need to know about ground level knowledge and the grasp of the game, but after 1 year I don't think we can compare it to anything even the $$ part.

Has Pearl been overpaid at Auburn the last 4 years? I'm not sure they have hit .500 yet?

That's their problem. Auburn shouldn't have written that no cheating clause in his contract.

So it has been settled you have to cheat to win ,,, Hmmm something to ponder and think about. Good point

You don't have to cheat to win in fact you're better off if you don't. The secret is to get someone else to cheat for you. Gives you plausible deniability.

(04-16-2017 01:51 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 01:18 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:53 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:46 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 11:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I would call myself unethical if I took 3 mill for the results Tubby got last year, but I set my own bar very high---others are free to set theirs wherever they choose.

I would have recruited my ass off to get more players

Just because they didn't sign great players doesn't mean they didn't try.

Just like Pastner didn't try to coach, he tried real hard, he's just not very good at it.

lol. Pastner tried hard at everything. Rumor has it that this staff, with the exception of Joe Esposito, doesn't even break a sweat.

You are gonna believe a rumor?

Nah... I go with results. Beliefs, rumors and message board opinions are just for fun.

Well then I usually give a coaching staff more than one season to determine if this thing will get turned around.

Something happened towards the latter part since this same team was 18-7 at one point. Even our loss against SMU was a very close game and we handled UCF easily. Getting eviscerated by the same teams just a month later doesn't make any sense. So, I'm willing to give the staff a bit more leeway and staying away from rumors influencing my opinion about them. They have so far done a solid job retooling the roster for next season and then the '18 class will be key.

I remember what effect a cancer like Banks had on the '05 team. That team was very talented but one cancerous player changed the trajectory of the season. IMO, we just saw something similar happen to the last part of this season as well.

(04-16-2017 03:26 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Well then I usually give a coaching staff more than one season to determine if this thing will get turned around.

Something happened towards the latter part since this same team was 18-7 at one point. Even our loss against SMU was a very close game and we handled UCF easily. Getting eviscerated by the same teams just a month later doesn't make any sense. So, I'm willing to give the staff a bit more leeway and staying away from rumors influencing my opinion about them. They have so far done a solid job retooling the roster for next season and then the '18 class will be key.

I remember what effect a cancer like Banks had on the '05 team. That team was very talented but one cancerous player changed the trajectory of the season. IMO, we just saw something similar happen to the last part of this season as well.

Everybody back then realized what having a player like Banks on the team did to their morale and performance. Maybe we just needed an Arthur Barclay on this team. Too bad we didn't have one.

(04-13-2017 09:49 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 07:19 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  Keelon Lawson‏ @KJLawson2 8m8 minutes ago

This momentary discretion can jeopardize the most important thing in my life.. I apologize for my inexcusable behavior. pic.twitter.com/Ys5cy4BNxv

Then why did you, your brother and father QUIT THE SCHOOL AND THE TEAM!! Your actions speak so loud....I can't hear your words.