(04-18-2017 04:13 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 03:46 PM)450bench Wrote:  It's pointless with you, Saluki

He wanted Nickelberry, Enoh, Jamal Johnson, Thornton, Davenport and Brewton. Got em all.
He wants Darrington, Usman and Brooks. Likely a swing and a miss on Brooks.
I'm for letting him put together his team and see what they can do. Then pass some form of judgment.
You appear to just want to bash and that's your prerogative. Again, if they turn out to be good/winners, I don't know what your gonna do.
I know you're a good fan and want what we all do, but, geez man.

I've no choice for letting him put this team on the court.

Hell I'm not really bashing, if telling facts is bashing.

I'm cool with the frosh, I think two will end up being good players in a couple years. Just not expecting them to be ready to play 15-20 mpg next year without being exposed.

I don't like the idea of stuffing this team with JUCO's. I wish the staff had gotten more frosh.

I would rather get a one-year rental (grad xfer) than a JUCO project that may be of use by mid 2019. I would like as many open schollies for 2018 as possible.

I also just don't see the roadmap (based on tried and true historical trends) to this team being good next year.

I am frustrated that Tubby didn't make a bit of effort to shore up last years squad.

I wonder how a dude with 40 yrs experience can't figure this out.

It's not like he can recruit a class full of 5 star guys (or even 4 star guys) for that matter. I'm not sure what you do when you have a mass exodus of starters on a team that didn't have much depth to begin with. That being said, he still may get a couple more freshmen before the 2017 class is done. I guess we'll see.

(04-18-2017 04:34 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 04:13 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 03:46 PM)450bench Wrote:  It's pointless with you, Saluki

He wanted Nickelberry, Enoh, Jamal Johnson, Thornton, Davenport and Brewton. Got em all.
He wants Darrington, Usman and Brooks. Likely a swing and a miss on Brooks.
I'm for letting him put together his team and see what they can do. Then pass some form of judgment.
You appear to just want to bash and that's your prerogative. Again, if they turn out to be good/winners, I don't know what your gonna do.
I know you're a good fan and want what we all do, but, geez man.

I've no choice for letting him put this team on the court.

Hell I'm not really bashing, if telling facts is bashing.

I'm cool with the frosh, I think two will end up being good players in a couple years. Just not expecting them to be ready to play 15-20 mpg next year without being exposed.

I don't like the idea of stuffing this team with JUCO's. I wish the staff had gotten more frosh.

I would rather get a one-year rental (grad xfer) than a JUCO project that may be of use by mid 2019. I would like as many open schollies for 2018 as possible.

I also just don't see the roadmap (based on tried and true historical trends) to this team being good next year.

I am frustrated that Tubby didn't make a bit of effort to shore up last years squad.

I wonder how a dude with 40 yrs experience can't figure this out.

It's not like he can recruit a class full of 5 star guys (or even 4 star guys) for that matter. I'm not sure what you do when you have a mass exodus of starters on a team that didn't have much depth to begin with. That being said, he still may get a couple more freshmen before the 2017 class is done. I guess we'll see.

We had at least five open scholarships going into fall recruiting. It was pretty obvious that Dedric, at the least, would go, so it would have been safe to assume you could go after six kids.

He only got three in the early signing and they just didn't seem to have any other frosh targets. I'm guessing at some point they were hoping that Davenport, Darrington, and Thornton would be the other three gets.

I'm just more amazed that beyond that, these guys don't have any plan. The could have taken Nick King, could have fought to keep Markel, and could have gone after another grad xfer.

I would have gone after some two-year, sit out a year, transfers and maybe tried for a freshman version of Haruna, or just have sat at 11 schollies, hoped for a mid-season transfer, and then gone after 2018 with gusto.

(04-18-2017 04:13 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  I am frustrated that Tubby didn't make a bit of effort to shore up last years squad.

I wonder how a dude with 40 yrs experience can't figure this out.

IMO, he used that 40 years of experience and decided that he should drive down the expectations, set a baseline, and start rebuilding from there. I would have preferred that they were more aggressive last season.

(04-18-2017 04:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 04:21 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 04:13 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 03:46 PM)450bench Wrote:  It's pointless with you, Saluki

He wanted Nickelberry, Enoh, Jamal Johnson, Thornton, Davenport and Brewton. Got em all.
He wants Darrington, Usman and Brooks. Likely a swing and a miss on Brooks.
I'm for letting him put together his team and see what they can do. Then pass some form of judgment.
You appear to just want to bash and that's your prerogative. Again, if they turn out to be good/winners, I don't know what your gonna do.
I know you're a good fan and want what we all do, but, geez man.

I've no choice for letting him put this team on the court.

Hell I'm not really bashing, if telling facts is bashing.

I'm cool with the frosh, I think two will end up being good players in a couple years. Just not expecting them to be ready to play 15-20 mpg next year without being exposed.

I don't like the idea of stuffing this team with JUCO's. I wish the staff had gotten more frosh.

I would rather get a one-year rental (grad xfer) than a JUCO project that may be of use by mid 2019. I would like as many open schollies for 2018 as possible.

I also just don't see the roadmap (based on tried and true historical trends) to this team being good next year.

I am frustrated that Tubby didn't make a bit of effort to shore up last years squad.

I wonder how a dude with 40 yrs experience can't figure this out.

I think you make fair points there. I'm just choosing to be optimistic. My reasoning for that is that I do trust Tubby's ability to coach and run a program. Personally, I found nothing good about pastner and his ability to do those things. I'm still riding the joy that the guy is gone.

And I guess that's where we differ.

I'm making my predictions and look at the team with stats and historical trends, while you admit you base yours on subjective measures like "optimism" and "trust Tubby."

I personally think little of those things factor in with a basically new team like this. There is no baseline when you've got all new people coming in. Those stats and historical trends may hold water if a team already has a team to build around. This one doesn't.

(04-18-2017 05:06 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 04:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 04:21 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 04:13 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 03:46 PM)450bench Wrote:  It's pointless with you, Saluki

He wanted Nickelberry, Enoh, Jamal Johnson, Thornton, Davenport and Brewton. Got em all.
He wants Darrington, Usman and Brooks. Likely a swing and a miss on Brooks.
I'm for letting him put together his team and see what they can do. Then pass some form of judgment.
You appear to just want to bash and that's your prerogative. Again, if they turn out to be good/winners, I don't know what your gonna do.
I know you're a good fan and want what we all do, but, geez man.

I've no choice for letting him put this team on the court.

Hell I'm not really bashing, if telling facts is bashing.

I'm cool with the frosh, I think two will end up being good players in a couple years. Just not expecting them to be ready to play 15-20 mpg next year without being exposed.

I don't like the idea of stuffing this team with JUCO's. I wish the staff had gotten more frosh.

I would rather get a one-year rental (grad xfer) than a JUCO project that may be of use by mid 2019. I would like as many open schollies for 2018 as possible.

I also just don't see the roadmap (based on tried and true historical trends) to this team being good next year.

I am frustrated that Tubby didn't make a bit of effort to shore up last years squad.

I wonder how a dude with 40 yrs experience can't figure this out.

I think you make fair points there. I'm just choosing to be optimistic. My reasoning for that is that I do trust Tubby's ability to coach and run a program. Personally, I found nothing good about pastner and his ability to do those things. I'm still riding the joy that the guy is gone.

And I guess that's where we differ.

I'm making my predictions and look at the team with stats and historical trends, while you admit you base yours on subjective measures like "optimism" and "trust Tubby."

I personally think little of those things factor in with a basically new team like this. There is no baseline when you've got all new people coming in. Those stats and historical trends may hold water if a team already has a team to build around. This one doesn't.

Time will tell.

(04-18-2017 09:17 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 05:06 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 04:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 04:21 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 04:13 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  I've no choice for letting him put this team on the court.

Hell I'm not really bashing, if telling facts is bashing.

I'm cool with the frosh, I think two will end up being good players in a couple years. Just not expecting them to be ready to play 15-20 mpg next year without being exposed.

I don't like the idea of stuffing this team with JUCO's. I wish the staff had gotten more frosh.

I would rather get a one-year rental (grad xfer) than a JUCO project that may be of use by mid 2019. I would like as many open schollies for 2018 as possible.

I also just don't see the roadmap (based on tried and true historical trends) to this team being good next year.

I am frustrated that Tubby didn't make a bit of effort to shore up last years squad.

I wonder how a dude with 40 yrs experience can't figure this out.

I think you make fair points there. I'm just choosing to be optimistic. My reasoning for that is that I do trust Tubby's ability to coach and run a program. Personally, I found nothing good about pastner and his ability to do those things. I'm still riding the joy that the guy is gone.

And I guess that's where we differ.

I'm making my predictions and look at the team with stats and historical trends, while you admit you base yours on subjective measures like "optimism" and "trust Tubby."

I personally think little of those things factor in with a basically new team like this. There is no baseline when you've got all new people coming in. Those stats and historical trends may hold water if a team already has a team to build around. This one doesn't.

Time will tell.

It will.

next

(04-18-2017 10:17 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  next

BOOM outta here? Or BOOM!

there was no explosion, more of a dud.

Sam Edwards is out there somewhere.

More booms to come though.

(04-18-2017 10:30 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  there was no explosion, more of a dud.

What happened? Any details?

(04-18-2017 10:33 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  More booms to come though.

I would hope.
Only 8 guys officially signed as of today.

(04-18-2017 10:35 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 10:30 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  there was no explosion, more of a dud.

What happened? Any details?

He probably saw the dude play for the first time and was like WTF?

(04-18-2017 10:39 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 10:35 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 10:30 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  there was no explosion, more of a dud.

What happened? Any details?

He probably saw the dude play for the first time and was like WTF?

Have you seen him play?


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I think most internet recruiters may discount the fact that it's a 2-way street. It's not all about, "well let's just get him because we need him and his best offer is VCU". The kid has to want to come.

And what's the #1 thing recruits want? Playing time. We potentially had some to offer last year, but a short recruiting season had us swimming upstream. This year up through a few weeks ago, what PT could we offer a guy? We had 1 real senior and he was buried on the bench. We had all starters theoretically back - except 1 who may go pro. We had 3 freshmen signed. Hard to make a good pitch on that. Probably talked to a lot of kids, but didn't close many deals. Now that the roster has been turned over, we have ALL playing time available to offer. And, shockingly, our recruiting is getting much better results. I still hold hopes we'll sign 2 more high schoolers. But the big pitch is we have 3-4 starting positions up for grabs. We're not a blue blood who can stock 4-stars on the bench. So playing time is our best offer.

We may see all this flurry of activity and think nothing else was going on prior. We would probably be foolish to think that.

(04-20-2017 03:11 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I think most internet recruiters may discount the fact that it's a 2-way street. It's not all about, "well let's just get him because we need him and his best offer is VCU". The kid has to want to come.

And what's the #1 thing recruits want? Playing time. We potentially had some to offer last year, but a short recruiting season had us swimming upstream. This year up through a few weeks ago, what PT could we offer a guy? We had 1 real senior and he was buried on the bench. We had all starters theoretically back - except 1 who may go pro. We had 3 freshmen signed. Hard to make a good pitch on that. Probably talked to a lot of kids, but didn't close many deals. Now that the roster has been turned over, we have ALL playing time available to offer. And, shockingly, our recruiting is getting much better results. I still hold hopes we'll sign 2 more high schoolers. But the big pitch is we have 3-4 starting positions up for grabs. We're not a blue blood who can stock 4-stars on the bench. So playing time is our best offer.

We may see all this flurry of activity and think nothing else was going on prior. We would probably be foolish to think that.

Gleaned from VIP?

We need a better guy. It's pretty simple. Maybe they can find one..not so simple

(04-20-2017 03:14 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 03:11 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I think most internet recruiters may discount the fact that it's a 2-way street. It's not all about, "well let's just get him because we need him and his best offer is VCU". The kid has to want to come.

And what's the #1 thing recruits want? Playing time. We potentially had some to offer last year, but a short recruiting season had us swimming upstream. This year up through a few weeks ago, what PT could we offer a guy? We had 1 real senior and he was buried on the bench. We had all starters theoretically back - except 1 who may go pro. We had 3 freshmen signed. Hard to make a good pitch on that. Probably talked to a lot of kids, but didn't close many deals. Now that the roster has been turned over, we have ALL playing time available to offer. And, shockingly, our recruiting is getting much better results. I still hold hopes we'll sign 2 more high schoolers. But the big pitch is we have 3-4 starting positions up for grabs. We're not a blue blood who can stock 4-stars on the bench. So playing time is our best offer.

We may see all this flurry of activity and think nothing else was going on prior. We would probably be foolish to think that.

Gleaned from VIP?

You got the wrong guy there. Not a pay to play guy.

(04-18-2017 09:17 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 05:06 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 04:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 04:21 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 04:13 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  I've no choice for letting him put this team on the court.

Hell I'm not really bashing, if telling facts is bashing.

I'm cool with the frosh, I think two will end up being good players in a couple years. Just not expecting them to be ready to play 15-20 mpg next year without being exposed.

I don't like the idea of stuffing this team with JUCO's. I wish the staff had gotten more frosh.

I would rather get a one-year rental (grad xfer) than a JUCO project that may be of use by mid 2019. I would like as many open schollies for 2018 as possible.

I also just don't see the roadmap (based on tried and true historical trends) to this team being good next year.

I am frustrated that Tubby didn't make a bit of effort to shore up last years squad.

I wonder how a dude with 40 yrs experience can't figure this out.

I think you make fair points there. I'm just choosing to be optimistic. My reasoning for that is that I do trust Tubby's ability to coach and run a program. Personally, I found nothing good about pastner and his ability to do those things. I'm still riding the joy that the guy is gone.

And I guess that's where we differ.

I'm making my predictions and look at the team with stats and historical trends, while you admit you base yours on subjective measures like "optimism" and "trust Tubby."

I personally think little of those things factor in with a basically new team like this. There is no baseline when you've got all new people coming in. Those stats and historical trends may hold water if a team already has a team to build around. This one doesn't.

Time will tell.

Update:

15 games into the season (for 7-8 ECU)
9 mpg
1.3 ppg
2.8 rpg
2 DNP's

But, yeah, I was wrong to think going after him was a waste of time. Horrible evaluation skills on this staff.