UNM drops the only championship sport they have had. Brings the number of sports down to 20 from 22.

http://www.abqjoumal.com/987381/unm-drops-skiing.html

(04-13-2017 07:38 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UNM drops the only championship sport they have had. Brings the number of sports down to 20 from 22.

http://www.abqjoumal.com/987381/unm-drops-skiing.html

Bad link.

Here's a better one: http://golobos.com/news/2017/4/13/f-a-q-...kiing.aspx

(04-13-2017 07:38 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UNM drops the only championship sport they have had. Brings the number of sports down to 20 from 22.

http://www.abqjoumal.com/987381/unm-drops-skiing.html

Uhhh..they have a women's cross country national championship in 2015.

Good. Club sport if there ever was one.

Not every sport needs to be varsity.

(04-13-2017 09:33 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 07:38 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UNM drops the only championship sport they have had. Brings the number of sports down to 20 from 22.

http://www.abqjoumal.com/987381/unm-drops-skiing.html

Uhhh..they have a women's cross country national championship in 2015.

Sorry. Guess they have won two.

(04-13-2017 07:38 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UNM drops the only championship sport they have had. Brings the number of sports down to 20 from 22.

http://www.abqjoumal.com/987381/unm-drops-skiing.html

I'm just curious, how many (and who are they) colleges have Skiing?

(04-13-2017 11:10 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 07:38 PM)NoDak Wrote:  UNM drops the only championship sport they have had. Brings the number of sports down to 20 from 22.

http://www.abqjoumal.com/987381/unm-drops-skiing.html

I'm just curious, how many (and who are they) colleges have Skiing?

Thirty something.

The NCAA groups all skiing schools into one championship, as there are DI, DII, and DIII schools that offer it. Some on.your offer alpine and others only offer Nordic.

Should be zero.

Skiing should not be a NCAA varsity sport. Nothing wrong with club teams, especially for sports of low interest.

(04-14-2017 08:55 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Should be zero.

Skiing should not be a NCAA varsity sport. Nothing wrong with club teams, especially for sports of low interest.

Skiing fits the criteria I gave a while back:

Is it something you alone (or you and your roommate) can go and do without an organized "team"? Examples:

- swimming
- tennis
- golf
- bowling
- skiing
- running

Varsity sports should be sports where you need to draw a team from the student body. Examples:

- basketball
- volleyball
- hockey
- baseball/softball
- football
- lacrosse

Plus, Sica, it requires a huge capital expense and ongoing operational cost to the school, because of the pool (and pool house, for non California/Florida type climates).

That's why I'm usually OK with lower cost individual sports. But then again, only if the Olympics are the ultimate competition in that sport. So, golf, tennis, bowling, no. Track, wrestling, yes.


Team sports, yes yes and yes.

(04-14-2017 10:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Plus, Sica, it requires a huge capital expense and ongoing operational cost to the school, because of the pool (and pool house, for non California/Florida type climates).

That's why I'm usually OK with lower cost individual sports. But then again, only if the Olympics are the ultimate competition in that sport. So, golf, tennis, bowling, no. Track, wrestling, yes.


Team sports, yes yes and yes.

On the other hand, golf and tennis can get your school recognition. Most people know Tiger Woods went to Stanford. Around Georgia, it is always mentioned that John Isner went to UGA (known best for playing the longest tennis match in history).

How would that be any different with Tiger playing for the national champion Stanford club team??

It would still be stated as "Tiger, the Stanford golf alumni, ... " on TV.


To restate my position: I'm not advocating for these teams to evaporate into thin air, just for them not to be varsity.

(04-14-2017 09:51 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 08:55 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Should be zero.

Skiing should not be a NCAA varsity sport. Nothing wrong with club teams, especially for sports of low interest.

Skiing fits the criteria I gave a while back:

Is it something you alone (or you and your roommate) can go and do without an organized "team"? Examples:

- swimming
- tennis
- golf
- bowling
- skiing
- running

Varsity sports should be sports where you need to draw a team from the student body. Examples:

- basketball
- volleyball
- hockey
- baseball/softball
- football
- lacrosse

So your saying T&F and Cross Country should go the way of club sports? Not sure anyone would agree with you.

Bowling? Yes get rid of it. Tennis? No problem seeing it go away. Skiing? I think XC should stay, not so sure about Alpine which has a lot of other organizations, amateur who already offer serious, more serious then University sponsored.

Running, swimming and golf are, and will continue to be mainstay sports in the NCAA. Only a small percentage of NCAA D1 institutions do not have T&F and XC teams. Same with swimming and diving and golf.

If we begin to talk about getting rid of sports which very few schools offer at the D1 level. To the point where that sport needs to dip down to D2 and D3 to ensure enough schools are participating. That would mean hockey is gone. I don't think many UND fans would be ok with that.

I think you better recheck your numbers on how many schools have swimming. It is not a cheap sport.

And while I do want track to continue as varsity, you have to admit that at the highest level of the sport (or just running, in general) the top athletes are competing for elite club teams, if/when not competing for the national team.



One more time, I just don't think there's anything wrong with club teams. Granted, it's the European model. Here in America, for whatever reason, we love school teams, and think of them more highly than club teams.

Yes, pools and/or pool houses are required for a swim team, but almost every school is going to have a pool available for the entire student body anyway. The swimming pool at TCU is connected to the rec center and is available for use by any student and other community members that can join the rec center. It is closed during certain times for obvious reasons (practice, meets, etc), but the facility itself is used for recreation, intramural sports, classes, and a few other things. It is a pretty standard amenity at many gyms, YMCA's, and rec centers across the country.

The main reason schools dropped mens swimming was Title IX. Once a men's team is dropped then the women's team becomes more expensive due to fixed cost being allocated to one team instead of two. Although many head coaches are only head coaches of either men's or women's team some schools had the same head coach and most schools share training team, GAs, assistant coaches, etc. Once the men's team is disbanded this increases costs for women's team which eventually makes it an easy sport to cancel when it comes to budget cuts.

A simple pool is still not that common in gyms. Major fitness centers maybe, but those aren't competition level pools.

A six lane 25 yard pool is not a competition pool.

(04-14-2017 10:16 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 09:51 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 08:55 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Should be zero.

Skiing should not be a NCAA varsity sport. Nothing wrong with club teams, especially for sports of low interest.

Skiing fits the criteria I gave a while back:

Is it something you alone (or you and your roommate) can go and do without an organized "team"? Examples:

- swimming
- tennis
- golf
- bowling
- skiing
- running

Varsity sports should be sports where you need to draw a team from the student body. Examples:

- basketball
- volleyball
- hockey
- baseball/softball
- football
- lacrosse

So your saying T&F and Cross Country should go the way of club sports? Not sure anyone would agree with you.

Bowling? Yes get rid of it. Tennis? No problem seeing it go away. Skiing? I think XC should stay, not so sure about Alpine which has a lot of other organizations, amateur who already offer serious, more serious then University sponsored.

Running, swimming and golf are, and will continue to be mainstay sports in the NCAA. Only a small percentage of NCAA D1 institutions do not have T&F and XC teams. Same with swimming and diving and golf.

If we begin to talk about getting rid of sports which very few schools offer at the D1 level. To the point where that sport needs to dip down to D2 and D3 to ensure enough schools are participating. That would mean hockey is gone. I don't think many UND fans would be ok with that.

What about a 1 on 1 Olympic sport like wrestling? In the 80's when I was a kid, 200 schools had D-1 wrestling. From Syracuse to LSU. From Washington to New Mexico. Now there are about 70 wrestling programs left mostly concentrated in the Midwest and East. Big 10 has all 14 members. ACC has most of their members with wrestling teams. The Big 12 and PAC have wrestling (with 4 MWC teams split between the two). The MAC has wrestling. Title 9 almost destroyed a sport that was huge up until the late 80's.

It sucks UNM is dropping skiing. If we were on the other side of realignment, I could see us in the same position instead of building a new ski training facility and winning the title this year. The money matters.

The addition of beach volleyball tells me that the NCAA isn't doing away with sports based on these criteria. I don't think skiing is going away anytime soon.

(04-14-2017 12:20 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  It sucks UNM is dropping skiing. If we were on the other side of realignment, I could see us in the same position instead of building a new ski training facility and winning the title this year. The money matters.

The addition of beach volleyball tells me that the NCAA isn't doing away with sports based on these criteria. I don't think skiing is going away anytime soon.

Well, you guys would be ok even if you were stuck in the MWC with UNM still because SLC is a Winter Olympics town. There will always be the facilities/support there IMHO.