(04-13-2017 12:30 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:23 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  We would've won 10 games without The Lawsons (but he doesn't understand the doom &a gloom outlook going into next year)

He can't predict success ...unless he has a few McDonalds AA coming in (ran off one and killed any chances of getting 3 more)

Called Kessee and Chad "mostly a success".

Hard to recruit locally against Ole Miss, State, MTSU, and Tennessee...


Unbelievable.

I love the "He's won everywhere he's been" argument. Technically, anyone who wins a single game at each program can say that.

Now, when you define "won", that's when you realize he hasn't won everywhere he's been according to Memphis expectations, i.e. Sweet 16.

(04-13-2017 11:22 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 10:53 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 10:39 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 10:36 AM)Hoots Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 09:26 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  he sure is all riled up this morning for "not having the stomach" to take apart Tubby.

@geoff_calkins
The guy -- to use a phrase -- is what he is. He wants to be an icon. Instead, he's getting appropriately pummeled. Not up to this.

@geoff_calkins
But two things do stand out. He said the team would have won 10 games last year without the Lawsons. SO WHY NOT KEEP THEIR DAD AS ASSISTANT.

@geoff_calkins
And he said he couldn't give a prediction unless McDonald's All-American types walking through the door. INSTEAD WALKING OUT.

I saw those tweets, too, and he sure does seem riled up. Keyboard courage. He and Parrish are on an anti-Tubby jag, and it's not very becoming of "objective" journalists. They've made some points which have a measure of validity, but on the whole it comes across very badly.

IMO.

F all that... somebody needs to speak up

I'd rather that than kiss ass like WOLO does.

the day all the kids were leaving sports 56 was talking about BASEBALL??

Dude, GP and GC kissed JP's (body parts) despite the identification of the program's implosion right in front of their faces. Their rationale, "I know he's killing the program but he's such a nice guy"

oh i know that.. I've said several time that GP (not so much GC) defended Josh till the end. I Just think GP's motivations are different

I have seen some of you posting this over and over. Could someone point me to any article or podcast where it happened? Hint - you can't because it is simply not true. Matter of fact it is the exact opposite. They were both on the train that it was a bad marriage that needed to end starting several years ago. I really do wonder where some of you folks get this stuff. It is like you live in an echo chamber or something.

(04-13-2017 12:32 PM)450bench Wrote:  One of my customers actually brought him up this morning. His son coached against Davenport in Georgia this year. He said the kid is a good 6-8 and is extremely athletic. Superb hops and extremely aggressive offensively. Nose for the ball. He said his son told him, "remember a kid named Kyvon Davenport" he said he'll go somewhere "big"

Kinda cool.

I asked him about Raynere Thornton and he said he'd ask about him.

Is that what Memphis bball has become? I think I'm going to be sick.

This is a program that has seen guys like Keith Lee, Penny Hardaway, Lorenzen Wright, DaJuan Wagner, Derrick Rose, Tyreke Evans, etc. come through. Now we are resigned to "One of my customers has actually heard of a kid we recruited! He thinks he's super!"

I want to throw up. Seriously.

(04-13-2017 11:24 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  When you are a proud program with rich tradition, the last thing you want to do is hire a well-known, older coach that no other proud programs with rich tradition would want.

There's a reason Tubby has spent the last nine seasons at places like Minnesota and Texas Tech. You think schools with high bball expectations were after him at any point during that time? Think a school like Indiana or UCLA or Florida or Arizona ever even remotely considered him as an option when they had openings?

Memphis bball should be in a position to hire a guy who is coveted by other good schools. Guys like Chris Holtman or Chris Mack. Not Tubby Smith. Hiring Tubby Smith is almost the equivalent of Cincinnati hiring Tubberville in football. Just because a guy had success a long time ago doesn't mean they are good now.

At best, Tubby will sneak Memphis into the tournament in 2-3 years, but with no real chance of going to the Sweet 16 or making serious noise. Not with the players he recruits. Hasn't happened in 12 seasons. That won't change.

So if you're cool with sneaking into the tournament, then maybe Tubby will meet your expectations. I know he won't meet mine.

(04-13-2017 12:32 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:30 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:23 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  We would've won 10 games without The Lawsons (but he doesn't understand the doom &a gloom outlook going into next year)

He can't predict success ...unless he has a few McDonalds AA coming in (ran off one and killed any chances of getting 3 more)

Called Kessee and Chad "mostly a success".

Hard to recruit locally against Ole Miss, State, MTSU, and Tennessee...


Unbelievable.

I love the "He's won everywhere he's been" argument. Technically, anyone who wins a single game at each program can say that.

Now, when you define "won", that's when you realize he hasn't won everywhere he's been according to Memphis expectations, i.e. Sweet 16.

Interesting use of emojis. You could use those same emojis to describe how Tubby is doing right now.

(04-13-2017 12:23 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  We would've won 10 games without The Lawsons (but he doesn't understand the doom &a gloom outlook going into next year)

He can't predict success ...unless he has a few McDonalds AA coming in (ran off one and killed any chances of getting 3 more)

Called Kessee and Chad "mostly a success".

Hard to recruit locally against Ole Miss, State, MTSU, and Tennessee...


Unbelievable.

Those points stood out to me as well. For the life of me I cannot see how anyone reads that and does not think it is troublesome.

(04-13-2017 12:35 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 11:22 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 10:53 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 10:39 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 10:36 AM)Hoots Wrote:  I saw those tweets, too, and he sure does seem riled up. Keyboard courage. He and Parrish are on an anti-Tubby jag, and it's not very becoming of "objective" journalists. They've made some points which have a measure of validity, but on the whole it comes across very badly.

IMO.

F all that... somebody needs to speak up

I'd rather that than kiss ass like WOLO does.

the day all the kids were leaving sports 56 was talking about BASEBALL??

Dude, GP and GC kissed JP's (body parts) despite the identification of the program's implosion right in front of their faces. Their rationale, "I know he's killing the program but he's such a nice guy"

oh i know that.. I've said several time that GP (not so much GC) defended Josh till the end. I Just think GP's motivations are different

I have seen some of you posting this over and over. Could someone point me to any article or podcast where it happened? Hint - you can't because it is simply not true. Matter of fact it is the exact opposite. They were both on the train that it was a bad marriage that needed to end starting several years ago. I really do wonder where some of you folks get this stuff. It is like you live in an echo chamber or something.

Look u and your posse need to stop telling people what's true or not. Gary would say it's not true but it is. Vernon would blast Parrish about it. Gary switched over and his harshest criticism is that the situation is toxic and both parties see to part

Parrish spits his agenda out just like Easterhood does, etc. people aren't dumb or are they...

(04-13-2017 03:21 PM)TubbyBall Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:35 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 11:22 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 10:53 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 10:39 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  F all that... somebody needs to speak up

I'd rather that than kiss ass like WOLO does.

the day all the kids were leaving sports 56 was talking about BASEBALL??

Dude, GP and GC kissed JP's (body parts) despite the identification of the program's implosion right in front of their faces. Their rationale, "I know he's killing the program but he's such a nice guy"

oh i know that.. I've said several time that GP (not so much GC) defended Josh till the end. I Just think GP's motivations are different

I have seen some of you posting this over and over. Could someone point me to any article or podcast where it happened? Hint - you can't because it is simply not true. Matter of fact it is the exact opposite. They were both on the train that it was a bad marriage that needed to end starting several years ago. I really do wonder where some of you folks get this stuff. It is like you live in an echo chamber or something.

Look u and your posse need to stop telling people what's true or not. Gary would say it's not true but it is. Vernon would blast Parrish about it. Gary switched over and his harshest criticism is that the situation is toxic and both parties see to part

Parrish spits his agenda out just like Easterhood does, etc. people aren't dumb or are they...

So when can I expect a link to any of these instances?

I listened to both those shows nearly daily for many years and simply don't recall any of the stuff you are talking about. The good news is there are archives out there so you can prove your assertions......or can you

(04-13-2017 03:51 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 03:21 PM)TubbyBall Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:35 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 11:22 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 10:53 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:   Dude, GP and GC kissed JP's (body parts) despite the identification of the program's implosion right in front of their faces. Their rationale, "I know he's killing the program but he's such a nice guy"

oh i know that.. I've said several time that GP (not so much GC) defended Josh till the end. I Just think GP's motivations are different

I have seen some of you posting this over and over. Could someone point me to any article or podcast where it happened? Hint - you can't because it is simply not true. Matter of fact it is the exact opposite. They were both on the train that it was a bad marriage that needed to end starting several years ago. I really do wonder where some of you folks get this stuff. It is like you live in an echo chamber or something.

Look u and your posse need to stop telling people what's true or not. Gary would say it's not true but it is. Vernon would blast Parrish about it. Gary switched over and his harshest criticism is that the situation is toxic and both parties see to part

Parrish spits his agenda out just like Easterhood does, etc. people aren't dumb or are they...

So when can I expect a link to any of these instances?

I listened to both those shows nearly daily for many years and simply don't recall any of the stuff you are talking about. The good news is there are archives out there so you can prove your assertions......or can you

I don't need to prove my assertions. Go listen to the podcasts over again since you don't pick up on things the first time

If you're butt hurt over poor Gary and his ugg boots, go get him a card and send it to him with a schweet note

He did say it was critical to success to recruit and land Memphis players. I know some of you disagree with it.

(04-13-2017 04:20 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  He did say it was critical to success to recruit and land Memphis players. I know some of you disagree with it.

I'd like to get the high character Memphis kids.. and there are a lot of them!

(04-13-2017 04:33 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:20 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  He did say it was critical to success to recruit and land Memphis players. I know some of you disagree with it.

I'd like to get the high character Memphis kids.. and there are a lot of them!

there's 2 of them in the league coming off the bench on playoff teams this year.

(04-13-2017 04:11 PM)TubbyBall Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 03:51 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 03:21 PM)TubbyBall Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:35 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 11:22 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  oh i know that.. I've said several time that GP (not so much GC) defended Josh till the end. I Just think GP's motivations are different

I have seen some of you posting this over and over. Could someone point me to any article or podcast where it happened? Hint - you can't because it is simply not true. Matter of fact it is the exact opposite. They were both on the train that it was a bad marriage that needed to end starting several years ago. I really do wonder where some of you folks get this stuff. It is like you live in an echo chamber or something.

Look u and your posse need to stop telling people what's true or not. Gary would say it's not true but it is. Vernon would blast Parrish about it. Gary switched over and his harshest criticism is that the situation is toxic and both parties see to part

Parrish spits his agenda out just like Easterhood does, etc. people aren't dumb or are they...

So when can I expect a link to any of these instances?

I listened to both those shows nearly daily for many years and simply don't recall any of the stuff you are talking about. The good news is there are archives out there so you can prove your assertions......or can you

I don't need to prove my assertions. Go listen to the podcasts over again since you don't pick up on things the first time

If you're butt hurt over poor Gary and his ugg boots, go get him a card and send it to him with a schweet note

(04-13-2017 04:11 PM)TubbyBall Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 03:51 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 03:21 PM)TubbyBall Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:35 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 11:22 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  oh i know that.. I've said several time that GP (not so much GC) defended Josh till the end. I Just think GP's motivations are different

I have seen some of you posting this over and over. Could someone point me to any article or podcast where it happened? Hint - you can't because it is simply not true. Matter of fact it is the exact opposite. They were both on the train that it was a bad marriage that needed to end starting several years ago. I really do wonder where some of you folks get this stuff. It is like you live in an echo chamber or something.

Look u and your posse need to stop telling people what's true or not. Gary would say it's not true but it is. Vernon would blast Parrish about it. Gary switched over and his harshest criticism is that the situation is toxic and both parties see to part

Parrish spits his agenda out just like Easterhood does, etc. people aren't dumb or are they...

So when can I expect a link to any of these instances?

I listened to both those shows nearly daily for many years and simply don't recall any of the stuff you are talking about. The good news is there are archives out there so you can prove your assertions......or can you

I don't need to prove my assertions. Go listen to the podcasts over again since you don't pick up on things the first time

If you're butt hurt over poor Gary and his ugg boots, go get him a card and send it to him with a schweet note

You are not good at this burden of proof thing are you?

Also, Gary is a grown man and can take up for himself. He is out and about often and I am sure he would welcome your thoughts if you are willing to offer them in person. My bet is you are not.

(04-13-2017 05:01 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:11 PM)TubbyBall Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 03:51 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 03:21 PM)TubbyBall Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:35 PM)FUT Wrote:  I have seen some of you posting this over and over. Could someone point me to any article or podcast where it happened? Hint - you can't because it is simply not true. Matter of fact it is the exact opposite. They were both on the train that it was a bad marriage that needed to end starting several years ago. I really do wonder where some of you folks get this stuff. It is like you live in an echo chamber or something.

Look u and your posse need to stop telling people what's true or not. Gary would say it's not true but it is. Vernon would blast Parrish about it. Gary switched over and his harshest criticism is that the situation is toxic and both parties see to part

Parrish spits his agenda out just like Easterhood does, etc. people aren't dumb or are they...

So when can I expect a link to any of these instances?

I listened to both those shows nearly daily for many years and simply don't recall any of the stuff you are talking about. The good news is there are archives out there so you can prove your assertions......or can you

I don't need to prove my assertions. Go listen to the podcasts over again since you don't pick up on things the first time

If you're butt hurt over poor Gary and his ugg boots, go get him a card and send it to him with a schweet note

You are not good at this burden of proof thing are you?

Also, Gary is a grown man and can take up for himself. He is out and about often and I am sure he would welcome your thoughts if you are willing to offer them in person. My bet is you are not.

Gary is an adult but he's not a grown man. He don't want any.

(04-13-2017 05:03 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 05:01 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:11 PM)TubbyBall Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 03:51 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 03:21 PM)TubbyBall Wrote:  Look u and your posse need to stop telling people what's true or not. Gary would say it's not true but it is. Vernon would blast Parrish about it. Gary switched over and his harshest criticism is that the situation is toxic and both parties see to part

Parrish spits his agenda out just like Easterhood does, etc. people aren't dumb or are they...

So when can I expect a link to any of these instances?

I listened to both those shows nearly daily for many years and simply don't recall any of the stuff you are talking about. The good news is there are archives out there so you can prove your assertions......or can you

I don't need to prove my assertions. Go listen to the podcasts over again since you don't pick up on things the first time

If you're butt hurt over poor Gary and his ugg boots, go get him a card and send it to him with a schweet note

You are not good at this burden of proof thing are you?

Also, Gary is a grown man and can take up for himself. He is out and about often and I am sure he would welcome your thoughts if you are willing to offer them in person. My bet is you are not.

Gary is an adult but he's not a grown man. He don't want any.

says anonymous internet tough guy.

(04-13-2017 05:05 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 05:03 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 05:01 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:11 PM)TubbyBall Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 03:51 PM)FUT Wrote:  So when can I expect a link to any of these instances?

I listened to both those shows nearly daily for many years and simply don't recall any of the stuff you are talking about. The good news is there are archives out there so you can prove your assertions......or can you

I don't need to prove my assertions. Go listen to the podcasts over again since you don't pick up on things the first time

If you're butt hurt over poor Gary and his ugg boots, go get him a card and send it to him with a schweet note

You are not good at this burden of proof thing are you?

Also, Gary is a grown man and can take up for himself. He is out and about often and I am sure he would welcome your thoughts if you are willing to offer them in person. My bet is you are not.

Gary is an adult but he's not a grown man. He don't want any.

says anonymous internet tough guy.

Lots of "net nads" on this board.

(04-13-2017 11:27 AM)MTiger14 Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 11:19 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 11:15 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  I'll make this real simple:

Tubby Smith hasn't been to the Sweet 16 or beyond in 12 seasons as a head basketball coach.

The expectation at Memphis isn't just to make the NCAA Tournament. It's to make the Sweet 16 once every four-five years.

Tubby isn't going to do that with the players he recruits.

JP had the players and failed miserably for seven seasons at meeting those expectations.

I don't think any of us are trying to have this Tubby v. Pastner argument with you. Pastner was terrible, but his recruiting and a few tournament appearances bought him some extra time. Then our incompetent administration awarded him an extremely favorable, one-sided contract that he never deserved and we were stuck with him for three years (much like our current situation).

Great points!

(04-13-2017 11:44 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 10:53 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 10:39 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 10:36 AM)Hoots Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 09:26 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  he sure is all riled up this morning for "not having the stomach" to take apart Tubby.

@geoff_calkins
The guy -- to use a phrase -- is what he is. He wants to be an icon. Instead, he's getting appropriately pummeled. Not up to this.

@geoff_calkins
But two things do stand out. He said the team would have won 10 games last year without the Lawsons. SO WHY NOT KEEP THEIR DAD AS ASSISTANT.

@geoff_calkins
And he said he couldn't give a prediction unless McDonald's All-American types walking through the door. INSTEAD WALKING OUT.

I saw those tweets, too, and he sure does seem riled up. Keyboard courage. He and Parrish are on an anti-Tubby jag, and it's not very becoming of "objective" journalists. They've made some points which have a measure of validity, but on the whole it comes across very badly.

IMO.

F all that... somebody needs to speak up

I'd rather that than kiss ass like WOLO does.

the day all the kids were leaving sports 56 was talking about BASEBALL??

Dude, GP and GC kissed JP's (body parts) despite the identification of the program's implosion right in front of their faces. Their rationale, "I know he's killing the program but he's such a nice guy"

That's right. You hit the nail on the head. GP's treatment of josh was without question soft and weak, all because he liked him. In the end that's what this comes to. If he likes you he will play nice nice. If he doesn't like you, whenever the coach does the smallest of things wrong, guys like gp will pound away. It's pathetic.

(04-13-2017 05:05 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 05:03 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 05:01 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 04:11 PM)TubbyBall Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 03:51 PM)FUT Wrote:  So when can I expect a link to any of these instances?

I listened to both those shows nearly daily for many years and simply don't recall any of the stuff you are talking about. The good news is there are archives out there so you can prove your assertions......or can you

I don't need to prove my assertions. Go listen to the podcasts over again since you don't pick up on things the first time

If you're butt hurt over poor Gary and his ugg boots, go get him a card and send it to him with a schweet note

You are not good at this burden of proof thing are you?

Also, Gary is a grown man and can take up for himself. He is out and about often and I am sure he would welcome your thoughts if you are willing to offer them in person. My bet is you are not.

Gary is an adult but he's not a grown man. He don't want any.

says anonymous internet tough guy.

Seriously, have you seen Parrish.. total wimp.. I'm not sure who would be afraid to tell him anything..