(04-17-2017 10:26 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Of course, that is right.

And maybe that gets us back to the "black college experience", in helping to break the cycle of a culture that says college isn't important or required.

The culture is that you need to "keep it real." God I hate that, it's garbage spewed often by some of the most ignorant people imaginable.

I can only speak for the state of Alabama. The vast majority of potential students that apply to Auburn and Alabama have high test scores. Students have to apply before they can be excepted and the ones that do not have high enough test scores know it is usually a waste of time to even apply. Living 30 minutes from Auburn a vast majority of potential students from my area that do have high enough test scores to be excepted to Auburn make the decision to start college at our local junior college just due to cost, then transfer to Auburn or another 4 year school.
Now I live a little over an hours drive from Alabama State. Alabama State does a very good job in recruiting black students from my area due to the fact that they have a higher percentile of graduates inside the local black community than the other local 4 year collages.

(04-17-2017 12:27 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  I can only speak for the state of Alabama. The vast majority of potential students that apply to Auburn and Alabama have high test scores. Students have to apply before they can be excepted and the ones that do not have high enough test scores know it is usually a waste of time to even apply. Living 30 minutes from Auburn a vast majority of potential students from my area that do have high enough test scores to be excepted to Auburn make the decision to start college at our local junior college just due to cost, then transfer to Auburn or another 4 year school.
Now I live a little over an hours drive from Alabama State. Alabama State does a very good job in recruiting black students from my area due to the fact that they have a higher percentile of graduates inside the local black community than the other local 4 year collages.

Somebody went to Troy.......

In all seriousness, I tend to agree with HOD. HBCUs can still serve a valuable purpose in Alabama. They just need to get the administrative side of things in order However, most of the big public universities recruit from a different pool of applicants.

(04-16-2017 08:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 06:23 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 05:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 07:04 AM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2017 08:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Tennessee State competes in a much stronger OVC than a MEAC and SWAC schools. They are the only HBCU in the OVC. Sometimes they are competitive. If they ever move up to FBS one day? Could we see a cross town rivalry between them and Vanderbilt in all sports? It would be like UCLA VS USC. It could be a lot of money for the town of Nashville.

I would like to save Jackson State to stay in D1. They do play in a stadium that is FBS ready, but need some work down. I wonder if they do get an offer from an FBS conference? Would the city and local businesses along with donations from Alum to help upgrade the stadium to be better for them to play in? I know local businesses have donated to local schools for stadiums upgrade and all that. Look at UAB for an instant?

TSU may compete in the OVC but they're not one of the top HBCU football programs. They've lost their last series with A&T, Bethune-Cookman, and Southern, and they've split a game piece with us. Sure they dominated Jackson State, Arkansas Pine Bluff, and FAMU as of late but who hasn't. You're talking TSU up like they're some sort of world beater. I'll give them credit, they're pumping out some NFL prospects right now but thats not translating to wins.

They have played well against Jacksonville State lately. That is hard to do when Jacksonville State is a P5 killer in football at times.

WOW!

A little research goes a long way, Jax State is no P5 killer. JSU has a 2-10 record vs P5 with wins in 1948 and 2010.

Beating an SEC team that everybody say that the SEC is the best conference top to bottom during 2010 makes them a P5 killer. They almost killed Auburn as well. Anybody taken down the all mighty SEC schools in football gets my vote for FBS status.

I really hope you work on raising the bar much higher in standards for success.

Like I said, I'm fine with ASU and AA&M still serving a public mission.

However, I don't think either president is going to accept the school serving the public mission of "being a place for kids with low test scores, of any race or ethnicity, to still have a comprehensive university experience".

They both want their respective universities to be "black universities".

(04-17-2017 01:38 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Like I said, I'm fine with ASU and AA&M still serving a public mission.

However, I don't think either president is going to accept the school serving the public mission of "being a place for kids with low test scores, of any race or ethnicity, to still have a comprehensive university experience".

They both want their respective universities to be "black universities".

ASU and AA&M both would except all the non-white students that apply as long as they meet the schools entrance requirements.

(04-17-2017 01:38 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Like I said, I'm fine with ASU and AA&M still serving a public mission.

However, I don't think either president is going to accept the school serving the public mission of "being a place for kids with low test scores, of any race or ethnicity, to still have a comprehensive university experience".

They both want their respective universities to be "black universities".

Well, I don't care what they want to think of themselves as so long as they perform the role.

(04-17-2017 06:49 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 11:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 04:46 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 04:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 03:36 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  Auburn was a bad example. Auburn is notorious for having a small black student population. Auburn's black student population is 7%. Both ASU and A&M have white student populations greater than that.

A state with 26% black population, and the land-grant flagship public school only has 7% black students???

Maybe when you look at the number of Alabama high school students apply to college, the % of black students in that pool drops dramatically?? But I agree, on its face without further investigation, that number seems pathetic.

Oh, I have another example for you.
African American population of Georgia as of 2010 - 30.5%
UGA - 7.5%
GT - 7.5%
GaSouthen - 26.5%
GSU - 40%

This is no mistake by the board of regents either.

Is the mistake being made by the board of regents or by the black population of Georgia for not taking academics seriously?

I mean the black kid that grew up on the farm down the street from me and our farm ended up going to Harvard on a full ride and became a lawyer and now judge because he knew his best chance off the farm was academics. I can't think of a black peer in high school, male or female, who took academics seriously who hasn't succeeded.

At some point the black population of this country needs to quit blaming everything on slavery and Jim Crow and take a deep look at their own culture.

WHOA! "the black population of this country needs to quit blaming everything on slavery and Jim Crow and take a deep look at their own culture", that's quite a loaded statement. Let's look at this UGA mission statement first:
"dedicated to serving a diverse and well-prepared student body, to promoting high levels of student achievement, and to providing appropriate academic support services"...
"Through its programs and practices, it seeks to foster the understanding of and respect for cultural differences necessary for an enlightened and educated citizenry. It further provides for cultural, ethnic, gender, and racial diversity in the faculty, staff, and student body."
http://www.uga.edu/profile/mission/

http://news.uga.edu/releases/article/uga...s-program/
This article says they've been trying for years but they're having a hard time getting black males to enroll. Only 3% at the time of this article. So how can a flagship university, with grants and departments designed to promote diversity only fill 3% of their student body from African American males in a state that is 1/3 black? Again, on the football field they practice what they preach. Pretty sure academic standards hasn't kept a 4 or 5 star prospect from enrolling in quite some time.
You can believe what you want and you can say what you want, but it doesn't make it the truth. If these institutions of higher learning wanted to be representative of their state they could be doing a lot more to reflect it.
Why is it GS and GSU have the solution to serving more diverse student populations but UGA can't figure it out? It doesn't keep out athletes. Either people are being naive or you fail to admit that it is possible that institutional discrimination still exist out there. GPA's and SAT's are important when they choose for them to be important.

So explain exactly how it's UGA's fault that black males aren't enrolling, especially when you mention they have been trying for years to increase their number.

As for why Georgia State and Southern "have it figured out"......what's the difference in the entrance requirements between them and UGA?

And trying to tie athletics into the picture is a red herring because just about everybody has a different set of standards for athletics.

(04-17-2017 04:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 06:49 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 11:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 04:46 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 04:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  A state with 26% black population, and the land-grant flagship public school only has 7% black students???

Maybe when you look at the number of Alabama high school students apply to college, the % of black students in that pool drops dramatically?? But I agree, on its face without further investigation, that number seems pathetic.

Oh, I have another example for you.
African American population of Georgia as of 2010 - 30.5%
UGA - 7.5%
GT - 7.5%
GaSouthen - 26.5%
GSU - 40%

This is no mistake by the board of regents either.

Is the mistake being made by the board of regents or by the black population of Georgia for not taking academics seriously?

I mean the black kid that grew up on the farm down the street from me and our farm ended up going to Harvard on a full ride and became a lawyer and now judge because he knew his best chance off the farm was academics. I can't think of a black peer in high school, male or female, who took academics seriously who hasn't succeeded.

At some point the black population of this country needs to quit blaming everything on slavery and Jim Crow and take a deep look at their own culture.

WHOA! "the black population of this country needs to quit blaming everything on slavery and Jim Crow and take a deep look at their own culture", that's quite a loaded statement. Let's look at this UGA mission statement first:
"dedicated to serving a diverse and well-prepared student body, to promoting high levels of student achievement, and to providing appropriate academic support services"...
"Through its programs and practices, it seeks to foster the understanding of and respect for cultural differences necessary for an enlightened and educated citizenry. It further provides for cultural, ethnic, gender, and racial diversity in the faculty, staff, and student body."
http://www.uga.edu/profile/mission/

http://news.uga.edu/releases/article/uga...s-program/
This article says they've been trying for years but they're having a hard time getting black males to enroll. Only 3% at the time of this article. So how can a flagship university, with grants and departments designed to promote diversity only fill 3% of their student body from African American males in a state that is 1/3 black? Again, on the football field they practice what they preach. Pretty sure academic standards hasn't kept a 4 or 5 star prospect from enrolling in quite some time.
You can believe what you want and you can say what you want, but it doesn't make it the truth. If these institutions of higher learning wanted to be representative of their state they could be doing a lot more to reflect it.
Why is it GS and GSU have the solution to serving more diverse student populations but UGA can't figure it out? It doesn't keep out athletes. Either people are being naive or you fail to admit that it is possible that institutional discrimination still exist out there. GPA's and SAT's are important when they choose for them to be important.

So explain exactly how it's UGA's fault that black males aren't enrolling, especially when you mention they have been trying for years to increase their number.

As for why Georgia State and Southern "have it figured out"......what's the difference in the entrance requirements between them and UGA?

And trying to tie athletics into the picture is a red herring because just about everybody has a different set of standards for athletics.

And if you are a Black engineering student good enough to get into Georgia Tech, you are probably going to have scholarship offers from around the country. Makes it difficult to keep the best at home.

(04-17-2017 03:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Well, I don't care what they want to think of themselves as so long as they perform the role.

Let me rephrase: I don't think that ASU and AA&M leaders would want to accept a bunch of low testing white kids, just to serve the mission of keeping those kids out of the rest of the public universities in the state.

sounds like it's official:
http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=...m=&src=FCS

The move, if approved by the NCAA, is expected to occur for the 2019-20 academic year. The Georgia school would end its membership in the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference, which it joined in 2010.

The SIAC, Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association and Peach Belt Conference are each considered a potential fit for the Tigers with a return to D-II.

With what could be happening to MVC and Murray State, and maybe SoCon and Belmont, does the SS drop down motivate Tennessee State to come over to MEAC?

(04-21-2017 04:35 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  With what could be happening to MVC and Murray State, and maybe SoCon and Belmont, does the SS drop down motivate Tennessee State to come over to MEAC?

I think the convenient travel situation in the OVC is enough of a motivation to keep Tennessee St in the OVC.

Or maybe the other way around ... is Alabama State ready to step up to the OVC??

Could Savannah State get a waiver to keep baseball in D1? D1 is getting a hit big time with so many schools dropping the sport.

(04-21-2017 07:12 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 04:35 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  With what could be happening to MVC and Murray State, and maybe SoCon and Belmont, does the SS drop down motivate Tennessee State to come over to MEAC?

I think the convenient travel situation in the OVC is enough of a motivation to keep Tennessee St in the OVC.

It's a weird situation from what's out there. OVC is better than MEAC, and more stable, but the HBCU thing has legs at the school, and a desire to get the fellow institutions back onto the schedule regularly. Logically, TSU should stay where they are, at least, imo. But, I don't know what the pulse is with HBCU leadership.

I think the difference is that Tenn St is only "half" HBCU, nowadays. The state of Tenn decided that UT-Nashville had to merge with the old Tenn St, which was a full HBCU.

(04-21-2017 08:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Could Savannah State get a waiver to keep baseball in D1? D1 is getting a hit big time with so many schools dropping the sport.

Doubtful. DI baseball is probably better off without them.

(04-18-2017 12:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The SIAC, Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association and Peach Belt Conference are each considered a potential fit for the Tigers with a return to D-II.

D2 requires a conference invite before a membership application can be submitted.

(04-21-2017 08:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Could Savannah State get a waiver to keep baseball in D1? D1 is getting a hit big time with so many schools dropping the sport.

Why would SSU want to or need to keep baseball in D1? There is far from a shortage of D1 baseball teams. When California Baptist and North Alabama complete reclassifying D1 will have 300 teams and D2 will be down to 265 teams (Boise State returned, SSU moved to D2, and pending future changes). Including Buffalo, 51 teams have been dropped in the last 50 years.

(04-21-2017 08:25 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Or maybe the other way around ... is Alabama State ready to step up to the OVC??

If we were to go anywhere it would be the MEAC which almost happened a few years ago.