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(04-12-2017 05:15 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  K: Since the end of last season 6 players have transferred including the coveted Lawson brothers, Tubby demoted their father Keelon.
W: Memphis probably feels conflicted, goes along generational barriers, Tubby is an old school guy, understands hiring a hs guy to get kids, hiring your son, which he did. Had a guy on the bench, not just some caretaker coach, Keelon won a hs championship, he knows what he is doing. You feel conflicted Bc these recruiters, that's what Keelon is, are taking over college basketball. That leaves certain coaches, especially older guys who want to do things a certain way saying omg. I'm giving my program over to him, I don't want to do this. There's conflict.

K: Here's what we don't know, we don't know anything about Keelon. What we do know is he's got two kids who are starting. Two kids who are supposed to be super prospects and a nephew who is supposed to be a Super prospect all from Memphis. And if Tubby cuts off that pipeline, and he can't get good players from Memphis, he's going to lose his job down the road. Because in the high d1 you've got to be able to recruit good players. Tubby has won a nc, brought five schools to the NCAA and he hasn't had any scandal. But we gotta know why did he dump this guy? Is there a character issue, what has happened here?

W: all legit questions, go back to recruiting, if he can't get those players, the last time Memphis got to a championship was on the back of a kid from Chicago. You can go and recruit players, Memphis is not somehow handcuffed from Tubby, who has a national reputation and can recruit from elsewhere. If he can(3x)

K: if you go back to the Keith lee team, they were all local.

W: it's easier to do it locally but there is some conflict in this one.

thanks for the recap.
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(04-12-2017 05:29 PM)SigEpMike Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 05:16 PM)stratecashomie Wrote:  literally not a day has gone by where there is some negative PR for our hoops program in the last 2 weeks


If the summary above is all that was said, it doesn't seem too negative to me.


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I agree nothing negative, discussing that there is a problem with our program, at least we are important enough for this to be discussed on a National program on ESPN. They also referred to us as a High Major.
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Just saw the segment. It wasn't really negative but more of lamenting that fact that these 'recruiters' like Keelon are taking over college basketball and it's about you either keep up with the times and get those pipline of players or try to stay "old school"
04-12-2017 06:20 PM
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Its a narrative to college BB overall. The curtain is being pulled back.
04-12-2017 06:21 PM
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(04-12-2017 06:08 PM)smytiger Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 05:29 PM)SigEpMike Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 05:16 PM)stratecashomie Wrote:  literally not a day has gone by where there is some negative PR for our hoops program in the last 2 weeks


If the summary above is all that was said, it doesn't seem too negative to me.


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I agree nothing negative, discussing that there is a problem with our program, at least we are important enough for this to be discussed on a National program on ESPN. They also referred to us as a High Major.

Agree. Sounds like an overall positive to me. Good programs get screwed up sometimes...see Indiana. You could also argue that we/Tubby sound quite ethical. We are willing to essentially give up a pipeline of 5 high-level players for SOME reason. So, apparently, we arent willing to sell our soul for players.
04-12-2017 06:26 PM
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Memphis is BACK, BABY!
04-12-2017 06:30 PM
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I thought it wasn't too bad. If there were negative connotations, they would be aimed at Keelon? Sort of?
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(04-12-2017 07:06 PM)450bench Wrote:  I thought it wasn't too bad. If there were negative connotations, they would be aimed at Keelon? Sort of?

Yep...less dumping on Tubby and more about suspicion about Keelon
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Just watched it, not terrible

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I didn't see anything off base or bad about what they said. There was a lot of conjecture about the possibility of what has gone on behind the scenes. But they recognized the Tigers past. That we can be a national program. And the importance of building off of local talent. They made no definitive point about their opinion and did not represent the University negatively
04-13-2017 06:42 AM
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At least they admitted they didn't know enough to draw conclusions,
Before they drew conclusions, sorta.

For a few years, I thought that was a great show.
04-13-2017 06:53 AM
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The media cannot resist covering disasters and the demolition of a once relevant program qualifies.
04-13-2017 06:58 AM
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Thanks for the recap above.

Yeah, all seems fair.

I will point out that the Keith Lee F4 run was 32 years ago. MUCH has changed about the landscape of high-profile college hoops since then.
04-13-2017 07:05 AM
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(04-13-2017 07:05 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  Thanks for the recap above.

Yeah, all seems fair.

I will point out that the Keith Lee F4 run was 32 years ago. MUCH has changed about the landscape of high-profile college hoops since then.

Yes indeed. And as much as many of us do not want to admit this, with the help of John Calipari, our basketball program was at the forefront of that changing landscape.
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(04-13-2017 07:16 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 07:05 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  Thanks for the recap above.

Yeah, all seems fair.

I will point out that the Keith Lee F4 run was 32 years ago. MUCH has changed about the landscape of high-profile college hoops since then.

Yes indeed. And as much as many of us do not want to admit this, with the help of John Calipari, our basketball program was at the forefront of that changing landscape.

It's worth pausing to ask the question whether the "old" formula of Tiger success... "put a fence around Memphis and build with local players first"... is as feasible now, or even the best course.

I watched a lot of NCAA tournament this past year and there were Memphis players in seemingly every game... thriving, doing well.

And yet local players playing for the Tigers have struggled, underperformed, transferred, left, what-have-you almost consistently for the past 15 years or so. Even under Calipari, we had a number of local products underperform, and very few really play up to their potential. And then we've had some of those same local players transfer to other schools and absolutely thrive.

Meanwhile, we've had players from other places like DJ Stephens who came HERE and thrived, even without being highly-touted or super skilled.

Perhaps in an era where basketball is SO lucrative, being local around all of the old influences is just too distracting for most players. I think we have to consider that possibility. The evidence, I think, seems to bear it out.
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High major, national program, mentioning our past. I saw nothing negative at all with the program. The way I see it, if we we're irrelevant this would have never been brought up to start with. With or without Tubby, our BB program will be back, history proves it.
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(04-12-2017 05:15 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  K: Since the end of last season 6 players have transferred including the coveted Lawson brothers, Tubby demoted their father Keelon.
W: Memphis probably feels conflicted, goes along generational barriers, Tubby is an old school guy, understands hiring a hs guy to get kids, hiring your son, which he did. Had a guy on the bench, not just some caretaker coach, Keelon won a hs championship, he knows what he is doing. You feel conflicted Bc these recruiters, that's what Keelon is, are taking over college basketball. That leaves certain coaches, especially older guys who want to do things a certain way saying omg. I'm giving my program over to him, I don't want to do this. There's conflict.

But salukiblue said Keelon has no affect on recruiting (link). Now I's confused.


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Don't know about Saluki, but I am not convinced of Keelon's impact on local recruiting - whether a DBO, DPP, or AC. Okay, he has 4 sons and a nephew. I get it. Yes, that's enough impact to try to make it work. But I'm not convinced Keelon's influence is enough to get any non-family member anywhere. In fact, I'm betting there's more negative than positive influence in that regard. Memphis pipeline has been pretty dry since his boys came on campus, and I hear other coaches resent him.

That's where the PTI segment fell short. They made it sound like Keelon was a wheeler-dealer AAU guy, with a lot of external influence. I think many things about Keelon - mostly negative - but I don't view him that way.
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