(04-12-2017 08:00 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  Memphis football has a kid from a NAIA school that is "climbing in the ranks as a DB" according to the CA. And not a bad thing is said by media or fans. Basketball is looking at a kid that might be a D2 player and its the end of the world.

True but also keep in mind a two deep offense/defense only takes up 44 bodies and there are 85 spots for scholarships--meaning you literally can have 20+ guys easily who NEVER play a down. Pure practice fodder.

Just in NCAA D1 football there are over 10,000 football players on scholarship--well over twice that of basketball. There are a lot more opportunities to miss on a kid. Plus bball has an AAU circuit and football is not there yet with that.

(04-12-2017 08:48 AM)fsquid Wrote:  so no one has really disputed anything in the column so far, right?

Drops mic... because they can't. Call it a hit piece if you like, but it is the truth. GP was actually behind Mike DeCourcey as well as Yahoo running a piece on this disaster yesterday.

(04-12-2017 08:00 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  Memphis football has a kid from a NAIA school that is "climbing in the ranks as a DB" according to the CA. And not a bad thing is said by media or fans. Basketball is looking at a kid that might be a D2 player and its the end of the world.

Apples and oranges. First off football is a different sports, heck many players from the lower conferences of college football have gone on to become great NFL players (Steve McNair is just one of many). Secondly the football Tigers are considered to be an up and coming program that can and has to scour the landscape for hidden gems. If they were Ole Miss or some other established program with more pedigree they wouldn't do that. Thirdly the basketball Tigers ARE at the level that not only should not D2 players be receiving one on those precious few scholarships they probably rarely should even have one as a walk-on either.

I think responses to article show how much respect Tubby has in the country. Go back and read some of the comments. I loved the fact that many people are optimistic about Memphis basketball but not in here. Players who have signed up are determine to win this year.
Go Tigers

Then you have the Kentucky folks laughing (again) at our expense:

https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threa...is.233420/

(04-12-2017 09:04 AM)GopherTubby Wrote:  I think responses to article show how much respect Tubby has in the country. Go back and read some of the comments. I loved the fact that many people are optimistic about Memphis basketball but not in here. Players who have signed up are determine to win this year.
Go Tigers

I would hope so. Be kinda weird if they just came here for the food, travel, and booty.

So we're crying because the Lawsons left. Boo hoo. We haven't come close to the Nit for 3 years. Good players, greedy dad. Now jobless dad. Maybe can sell candy at his kids AAU games. Good riddance.

I like the idea of a complete rebuild. Let's get some tough players and no quitters! I'm looking forward to the experiment...

I'd keep this article, laminate it and place it permanently in the locker room on full display and make every player read it out loud. Great motivational piece.

What are all the naysayers, especially in the media, going to say if this team turns out to be good?

I hope that's the case and if it is, i wonder how Tubby enacts to said media members.

(04-12-2017 08:29 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

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(04-12-2017 07:34 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Article only partially right. It is mostly Olrando's fault for the mess we now see. It is also Bowen fault for not standing up to Orlando and honoring the agreement he made with Keelon.

Tubby Smith has every right to decide who is on his staff, and who is on his roster.

The fact that he chose badly in both cases, with no plan for improvement, is the problem.

NOT when one of the stipulations in his hiring is to keep Keelon on as a coach. He had the option to walk away from the deal before making it. He accepted it and then backed out on the deal. So get your nose out of Orlando's rear end. He knew the terms, agreed to them and then went back on the deal.

You people seem to forget that one of the stipulations that Kirk had to abide by was to have Finch on as a member of his staff. Finch was hired as an assistant BEFORE the head coach was hired. Kirk stood by his agreement. Orlando did not.

I don't speak for other people. It's just my opinion.

And if Tubby replaced the Lawsons with a top 10 recruiting class, we wouldnt be having this conversation.

And the din will decrease significantly if Tubby obtains an NCAA bid next season like some of his predecessors did by their second year.

I would be driving a Lamborghini next year if I can obtain a winning lottery ticket

(04-12-2017 09:04 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Then you have the Kentucky folks laughing (again) at our expense:

https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threa...is.233420/

Man, sounds like we are saying the same stuff they said 10 years ago.

(04-12-2017 08:44 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

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(04-12-2017 07:41 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Objectively, it is interesting seeing the disasterous effects from just one bad decision (i.e., demotion of Keelon and Saul's elevation). Subjectively, it frustrates me because the opportunity for gaining relevancy quickly has slipped away quite unnecessarily.

I take it that you aren't happy with Tubby being our coach?

Let me ask you this, will you still attend games and watch/support?
Because you are a lifelong Tiger fan, right?

I am not happy with recent developments and the resulting calamitous impact on the future.

Although not germane to my post, I will answer your other queries. I hold season tickets in football and basketball despite living in Nashville. I have been a fan of the Tigers for 45 years. The U of M is my alma mater It is because of my material and emotional investments that I am sensetive and concerned about the grievous and preventable damage caused by Tubby.

(04-12-2017 09:09 AM)450bench Wrote:  I'd keep this article, laminate it and place it permanently in the locker room on full display and make every player read it out loud. Great motivational piece.

What are all the naysayers, especially in the media, going to say if this team turns out to be good?

I hope that's the case and if it is, i wonder how Tubby enacts to said media members.

I'm with you 450. Obviously what we were doing wasn't working. Three years, not even an NIT bid. Lots of Memphis kids signed, almost everyone transferred.

I like what he's doing. He's going to have to find good players and 2018 will be a make or break year for him. Lots of quality kids and time to sell the program. Hopefully, he can do it. I'm optimistic...

(04-12-2017 09:04 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Then you have the Kentucky folks laughing (again) at our expense:

https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threa...is.233420/

Reading that thread it's almost as if Tubby hasn't changed a bit in twenty years. "Cardsstink
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I still say he's the best snake oil salesman in the business. He's literraly made millions and millions with very minimal effort.

It's a hit piece. It's partly true and a bit unfair.

But whatever. Tubby better have a plan in place to fix this. If he starts wining games, no one will care what Parrish has to say. Period.

But, I'll say this. These hit pieces aren't a good look for the university, and they are causing a lot of harm to the city.

I can't believe that this article is blaming Tubby for everything? He hasn't done anything that I can see.

(04-12-2017 08:23 AM)Hoots Wrote:  Someone must have tinkled in Parrish's Cheerios, cuz you can certainly feel his anger. Like he was pounding the keys with a hammer while typing that story. Yikes.

Keelon's response of "Yes, of course" to the notion that Dedric and KJ would still be Tigers if he were still an assistant is just button-pushing, in my opinion. Maybe what he said is true, but not necessarily. But Keelon knew a "Yes, of course" response would be met with anger and bitterness the likes of Parrish's implosion. With a better NBA combine last year, Dedric would have already been long gone regardless of Keelon's position.

Parrish is like Andy Katz, likes to talk big until he's confronted then will nearly piss his pants when he's confronted for his anti-Memphis rhetoric.

(04-12-2017 09:09 AM)450bench Wrote:  I'd keep this article, laminate it and place it permanently in the locker room on full display and make every player read it out loud. Great motivational piece.

What are all the naysayers, especially in the media, going to say if this team turns out to be good?

I hope that's the case and if it is, i wonder how Tubby enacts to said media members.

450, I've said the same thing. Just for the sheer enjoyment of watching how the media reacts if this team is good, I hope we are better that most give us credit for. If this doesn't light a fire under Tubby and the players, I don't know what will.

I want us to win badly at this point.

So Parrish being the water carrier for his boy Pastner, writes basically a hit piece on Tubby.
Of course this loser left out all the FACTS on the state of the program that were directly caused by Wonder Boy:

1) He had his whole 2013 class transfer out of the program prior to his last year with the exception of Crawford.
2) The attendance had dwindled to under 6000
3) He had ALREADY lost the ability to recruit local talent. He could only get local talent by hiring their dad, or stealing them from LA Tech.
4) His 2014 class consisted of 1 guy who transferred year 1 and 3 JUCOs, but nah only Tubby recruits a bunch of JUCOs
5) 2014 and 2015 he had only 1 top 100 recruit whos dad he did not hire (Marshall)

So for all Parrish mentioned, he failed to mention that recruiting was in the tank the day Tubby arrived, the fan base was gone, and we could basically only recruit JUCOs or hire recruits dads to get players.

(04-12-2017 09:15 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  It's a hit piece. It's partly true and a bit unfair.

But whatever. Tubby better have a plan in place to fix this. If he starts wining games, no one will care what Parrish has to say. Period.

But, I'll say this. These hit pieces aren't a good look for the university, and they are causing a lot of harm to the city.

Hit piece or not can you show what in this article is not true? I would argue it is all factual and and the only fair I know come to town in September. These were all decisions made by Tubby and he gets to live with the consequences.

(04-12-2017 09:08 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  So we're crying because the Lawsons left. Boo hoo. We haven't come close to the Nit for 3 years. Good players, greedy dad. Now jobless dad. Maybe can sell candy at his kids AAU games. Good riddance.

I like the idea of a complete rebuild. Let's get some tough players and no quitters! I'm looking forward to the experiment...

First, I'll go out on a limb and say you don't personally know Keelon and just spewing out nonsensical things.

Secondly, you can get all the "tough" players you want..but if they don't have the talent the only point they would serve is being bullies on the court. Maybe it's good for the MMA mindset but not for any type of product on the bb court which would advance far.