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RE: How will NY's offer of free tuition to state resident affect the SUNY's?
(04-12-2017 04:22 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This will not go to improve the schools, just operations. It means ZERO new seats, ZERO new professors.

If they raise in-state tuition to double the amount, that's a lot of new money coming in.

Perhaps they actually could use it for cap-ex, new faculty positions, etc.
04-12-2017 04:27 PM
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RE: How will NY's offer of free tuition to state resident affect the SUNY's?
What they could do is raise tuition on out of state students. NY is actually relatively cheap compared to many states on tuition the last time I checked (especially for the quality though it has been a while since I checked) so if they decide to bump it up on people that move out and people out of state then I guess that could raise revenue slightly though they still need to keep it competitive to other close states like PA in order to keep those out of state students coming.
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RE: How will NY's offer of free tuition to state resident affect the SUNY's?
(04-12-2017 04:27 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 04:22 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This will not go to improve the schools, just operations. It means ZERO new seats, ZERO new professors.

If they raise in-state tuition to double the amount, that's a lot of new money coming in.

Perhaps they actually could use it for cap-ex, new faculty positions, etc.

The history of Higher education says that wont happen.

If you want more professors, that comes from the State plan for the Universities. This is where I would direct additional money. More spots reduces impacting, puts negative price pressure on the school. Adding money to student pockets increases price pressure up. We have a mountain of evidence to that effect.
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RE: How will NY's offer of free tuition to state resident affect the SUNY's?
This is stupid. Too many kids go to college today resulting in overeducated Starbucks workers and not enough people in the trades. More kids need to go into the trades. That doesn't even touch the debt problem that NY would create with this.
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RE: How will NY's offer of free tuition to state resident affect the SUNY's?
(04-12-2017 04:22 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Tuition will raise, but indirectly. It means the State will be subsidizing via the inefficient way of Student loans. As an economic scheme this is idiotic.

Fundamentally it raises taxes by increasing the State commitment to the schools. That isnj't magic money, it comes from somewhere.

Again the biggest reason this is inefficient is the State funding via such a scheme is not directed. This will not go to improve the schools, just operations. It means ZERO new seats, ZERO new professors. It does not fix the problems, it merely shuffles at the margins who might get one of those seats.

Well, the theory is that A) schools would improve because the available pool of students arguably expands and that B) the economic advantage of a large population of college-educated adults improves the tax base, thereby paying for the program.

You can argue the degree to which those will happen (vs the cost of the program) and alternative methods, but A & B will likely happen to *some* extent.

Poster mentioning raising out of state tuition: there's a limit on how much out of state tuition can increase because that's dictated by supply and demand. Some of the supply will be used by instate kids who want a free ride, but I doubt that that pool of kids is big enough materially affect the schools' supplies enough to impact out of state tuitions in a meaningful way.
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If all the SUNY's gain even more students for the schools to be huge? Could some of those from D2 and D3 move up conferences which could hurt the privates even more? The SUNY's could get student activity fees which could be a lot of money for the SUNY schools to fund the athletic departments that could make D3 schools go to D2 for funding scholarships and all that.
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RE: How will NY's offer of free tuition to state resident affect the SUNY's?
it applies to families with incomes under 125,000. A couple earning 65,000 each isn't exactly living in the lap of luxury. Better off than many but will still feel the costs of paying for college. If New York wants to help its citizens it should lower its extremely high taxes. Maybe offer some kind of incentive for students getting good grades.
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My honest opinion is that NY state should plow money into SUNY Buffalo computer engineering, Syracuse information science (computer engineering), RIT computer engineering, Cornell computer engineering (at Roosevelt island), Cornell/Columbia med, and NYU med.

NY should also expand SUNY Cortland computer engineering and expand any CUNY associate programs in coding.

The hope would be to turn NY into Silicon Valley/Seattle 2.0 + Houston med + keep Wall Street as is + keep tourism as is + expand ag production in upstate, NY

Trying to bring back manufacturing is a pipe dream. It's yesterday's news, and NY should plan for the future.
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RE: How will NY's offer of free tuition to state resident affect the SUNY's?
(04-12-2017 05:56 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The history of Higher education ...

... would seem to be irrelevant, because how many major states (like New York) have ever offered completely free tuition to any in-state resident who attends a state public school and stays in the state after?
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My wife and I make a combined $135k. I love the idea that we're sooooo well-off that our children (if we have any) will be able to pay for college themselves. My wife has been done with college for ten years and is still paying off her loans but we're sooooo filthy rich that we can afford to pay for other people's kids.

I would support this if it were a STEM-and-stay program. We don't need better-educated baristas. We should only be doing this for people going into science, engineering or other high-demand fields. At least the state got the "stay" part right. But the income limit is ridiculous. Who cares if some legitimately rich kid gets free tuition? If he or she stays in New York the state will benefit.
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