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RE: University Arkansas of Little Rock Doing A Feasibility Study To Add Football
(04-12-2017 02:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  UALR sponsors 14 sports.
FBS will require 16 sports.
UALR does not fund all of the allowed scholarships currently.
FBS would require funding a minimum of 200.

UCA reported to the state (which uses significantly different accounting from the report USA Today does, namely not looking at capital expenditures) that they spent almost $3 million more on athletics than UALR.

So to get to the level of a pretty good FCS school UALR has to increase annual operating budget about 32%
To get to the level of AState, UALR has to increase annual operating budget 99.8%
That's an annual outlay in excess of $9 million more than they currently spend on athletics.

Now they could go with a student fee. Arkansas State charges $19 per credit hour per semester. UALR currently charges $20 per credit hour per semester. UCA one of the two FCS programs charges $18 per hour. UAPB the other FCS charges $17 per hour.

So UALR already has the highest athletic fee of the five Division I schools in Arkansas. That doesn't leave a lot of room to divert the cost to students.

They really have to have a benefactor step up, not only to help them get past the start-up costs (football will operate for a year with no revenue at all) but to deal with ongoing costs.

Appreciate the analysis, but you seem to be ignoring that UALR -- I assume -- gets no portion of the Sun Belt distribution for football. That would be more income.
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RE: University Arkansas of Little Rock Doing A Feasibility Study To Add Football
(04-12-2017 01:09 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I would guess this is a bluff to keep arkansas playing games in Little rock. If they move all the games out than UALR football could happen to fill the void.

This is correct, and not a very good bluff. UALR would never come close to filling the stadium, and would bring nobody into town. Nobody will ever mistake a UALR vs Troy game for an SEC game. The cost to the city and to the school make this a lose-lose proposition.

Only Arkansas vs SEC opponents sell out. I think this is driving Arkansas to want to play all games at home, fill their own stadium and make a little more money. Not sure it's smart, as playing one game a year in Little Rock keeps the entire State identifying with the program.

I suspect this comes down to the folks from Fayetteville demanding the stadium or some other related facilities/services/access be improved by the City. and Little Rock doesn't want to pony that up. Hence the weak bluff.
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RE: University Arkansas of Little Rock Doing A Feasibility Study To Add Football
S Alabama would seem to prove you wrong, stugray. Very similar situation. Just substitute Alabama for Arkansas.

Why does not filling the stadium matter?
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RE: University Arkansas of Little Rock Doing A Feasibility Study To Add Football
It's about business for the city. The city doesn't want to pony up for upgrades to keep Arkansas, so the claim they can get the same return from UALR. Which is hogwash.

Bluff will be called.

I agree the deep south is different than the rest of the US when it comes to football and spending education dollars on sports. You don't have the student revolts and rejections of fees, the State laws prohibiting transfers, etc. And all the new move ups in football are from this region it seems. It shows up in other Statistics, such as the spending on research at Universities versus the spending on Athletics. While the ratio is 7:1 to 12:1 among schools in the B1G and P12, its down below 2:1 in the SEC, and if you remove the four AAU schools it below 1.5:1. This points to a very different set of priorities.

Given that, the same numbers which would make any Northern or Western public schools say, hell no to adding football, in Arkansas or Alabama or Louisiana they may well say yes.
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RE: University Arkansas of Little Rock Doing A Feasibility Study To Add Football
(04-12-2017 12:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 10:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  But here is one thing to counter that, Tom: Arkansas has been able to deny UALR a football team for decades under the premise that "Arkansas" is their football team ... with the proof being the yearly Little Rock game.

Now that game is in jeopardy.


That could be the --- yes, small --- window of opportunity.

When I was a kid, I remember Arkansas would play 3 games a year in Little Rock...I hadn't heard the game is in jeopardy now? Please explain?


The last game under contract is 2018, and there is no sign that Arkansas will renew the contract to play at the WMS.
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(04-12-2017 04:41 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The city doesn't want to pony up for upgrades to keep Arkansas, so the claim they can get the same return from UALR.

Where are they saying they'll get the same return from UALR?

What I see him saying is "well, if Arkansas won't come anymore ... we want someone to use it for college football, so how about UALR??"


(04-12-2017 04:41 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Bluff will be called.

So you're saying that Arkansas won't play games in Memorial after 2018?
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RE: University Arkansas of Little Rock Doing A Feasibility Study To Add Football
(04-12-2017 04:11 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 02:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  UALR sponsors 14 sports.
FBS will require 16 sports.
UALR does not fund all of the allowed scholarships currently.
FBS would require funding a minimum of 200.

UCA reported to the state (which uses significantly different accounting from the report USA Today does, namely not looking at capital expenditures) that they spent almost $3 million more on athletics than UALR.

So to get to the level of a pretty good FCS school UALR has to increase annual operating budget about 32%
To get to the level of AState, UALR has to increase annual operating budget 99.8%
That's an annual outlay in excess of $9 million more than they currently spend on athletics.

Now they could go with a student fee. Arkansas State charges $19 per credit hour per semester. UALR currently charges $20 per credit hour per semester. UCA one of the two FCS programs charges $18 per hour. UAPB the other FCS charges $17 per hour.

So UALR already has the highest athletic fee of the five Division I schools in Arkansas. That doesn't leave a lot of room to divert the cost to students.

They really have to have a benefactor step up, not only to help them get past the start-up costs (football will operate for a year with no revenue at all) but to deal with ongoing costs.

Appreciate the analysis, but you seem to be ignoring that UALR -- I assume -- gets no portion of the Sun Belt distribution for football. That would be more income.

That leaves them $8 million short of what AState spends.
They take a full $135,000 or whatever it is of television already. According to AState's AD they already get a partial share of the CFP money under the conference revenue sharing plan.
But you are talking at most a million bucks and that's not there if the go FCS.
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(04-12-2017 04:41 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  It's about business for the city. The city doesn't want to pony up for upgrades to keep Arkansas, so the claim they can get the same return from UALR. Which is hogwash.

Bluff will be called.

I agree the deep south is different than the rest of the US when it comes to football and spending education dollars on sports. You don't have the student revolts and rejections of fees, the State laws prohibiting transfers, etc. And all the new move ups in football are from this region it seems. It shows up in other Statistics, such as the spending on research at Universities versus the spending on Athletics. While the ratio is 7:1 to 12:1 among schools in the B1G and P12, its down below 2:1 in the SEC, and if you remove the four AAU schools it below 1.5:1. This points to a very different set of priorities.

Given that, the same numbers which would make any Northern or Western public schools say, hell no to adding football, in Arkansas or Alabama or Louisiana they may well say yes.


People wonder where the school could get the money? From donations from local businesses that wants football games more often at War Memorial Stadium. They lost a lot of business when Arkansas went down to 1 game per year. It is not just students been filling out petitions, local business leaders for the past several years have been doing it as well. They see that Arkansas games will not be played in Little Rock anymore.

Now, the person involved at Little Rock in charge as the director of Athletics donation drive is the son of SFA's head football coach Clint Conque who moved over from UCA, Chasse Conque. Son of a football coach have driven the fever for Little Rock to add football. He was first hired in charge of donation drive at UALR.

http://lrtrojans.com/staff.aspx?staff=1

If he can get donations for baseball, basketball and swimming and diving? I think he could fund raise a drive for a football team which I think would work. He hired women's basketball coach, Joe Foley, away from Arkansas Tech. Tech's Golden Sun team have made several D2 basketball tournaments under his helm, and brought his success to Little Rock's women's program.
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RE: University Arkansas of Little Rock Doing A Feasibility Study To Add Football
(04-12-2017 05:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 04:11 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 02:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  UALR sponsors 14 sports.
FBS will require 16 sports.
UALR does not fund all of the allowed scholarships currently.
FBS would require funding a minimum of 200.

UCA reported to the state (which uses significantly different accounting from the report USA Today does, namely not looking at capital expenditures) that they spent almost $3 million more on athletics than UALR.

So to get to the level of a pretty good FCS school UALR has to increase annual operating budget about 32%
To get to the level of AState, UALR has to increase annual operating budget 99.8%
That's an annual outlay in excess of $9 million more than they currently spend on athletics.

Now they could go with a student fee. Arkansas State charges $19 per credit hour per semester. UALR currently charges $20 per credit hour per semester. UCA one of the two FCS programs charges $18 per hour. UAPB the other FCS charges $17 per hour.

So UALR already has the highest athletic fee of the five Division I schools in Arkansas. That doesn't leave a lot of room to divert the cost to students.

They really have to have a benefactor step up, not only to help them get past the start-up costs (football will operate for a year with no revenue at all) but to deal with ongoing costs.

Appreciate the analysis, but you seem to be ignoring that UALR -- I assume -- gets no portion of the Sun Belt distribution for football. That would be more income.

That leaves them $8 million short of what AState spends.
They take a full $135,000 or whatever it is of television already. According to AState's AD they already get a partial share of the CFP money under the conference revenue sharing plan.
But you are talking at most a million bucks and that's not there if the go FCS.


Chasse Conque will raise the money. He made a lot of improvements to the sports in upgrades from donations. Coleman family donated a lot of money and more land for Little Rock for a sports complex. Coleman's own the milk factories. That is Little Rock's Sugar Daddy is at.
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RE: University Arkansas of Little Rock Doing A Feasibility Study To Add Football
(04-12-2017 02:04 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 10:31 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think Little Rock dropped Arkansas from the first part and are known as University of Little Rock. Looks like they are moving away on their own from the people from Fayetteville to be their own like South Alabama did.

Wow. The school's name and what is printed on diplomas is "UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS AT LITTLE ROCK". It is called Little Rock for athletic reasons only. Fayetteville still runs the Little Rock campus. South Alabama was never a part of the Alabama or Auburn systems.

There has been talk of UArk ending Little Rock games for nearly 40 years and it looks like it may finally happen. One of the main reasons for the LR games was to be more accessible to fans in the southern and eastern parts of the state. Now that the Fayetteville stadium has been expanded (currently about 20,000 more than Little Rock) and having I-49 to make travel to northwest Arkansas easier it's not as important to play in Little Rock anymore.

I thought Arkansas stopped the practice around the time they moved to the SEC.

Road upgrades to college football towns no longer necessitate it.
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