http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=...1867157904

Looks like they're voting on it by the end of the week.

They'll vote for 12 games if there's a dollar involved.

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I think this can only be a good thing for us right?

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Would most likely insure us a sixth home game every year.

Not sure about the annual sixth home game ... unless there's a one game deal involved ... as the math doesn't work with two home and homes, and one away FBS, in the OOC schedule.

If they go to 12 annually, does:

-CAA go to a 9 game conference schedule?

-Tribe play a second FBS school (ODU)?

(04-12-2017 07:38 AM)nj alum Wrote:  Not sure about the annual sixth home game ... unless there's a one game deal involved ... as the math doesn't work with two home and homes, and one away FBS, in the OOC schedule.

If they go to 12 annually, does:

-CAA go to a 9 game conference schedule?

-Tribe play a second FBS school (ODU)?

I don't know how realistic that is but I LOVE the idea

Reading that article where it says the Big South, NEC, and Patriot play the fewest league games, and thus already have to schedule a lot of OOC games. This probably works to our advantage because all three of those conferences have schools we could line up to come in to Zable. We've had games with Big South and Patriot schools, so could be interesting. On years where there's not the extra Saturday between Labor Day and Thanksgiving, it sounds like the option would be to play a game on the Saturday prior to Labor Day. I know some of the bigger FCS schools have done this the past few years, and it does give you more attention since the only other thing on at that point is baseball. Playing a game the week before Labor Day against a lower FCS opponent could be a great warm up for the FBS game that tends to be that traditional first week.

Having 12 games "should" result in an even number in away and home games. I don't see why it won't happen.

(04-12-2017 09:05 AM)TribePride52 Wrote:  Having 12 games "should" result in an even number in away and home games. I don't see why it won't happen.

It won't happen because we insist on playing a FBS game every year -- for money. There is always some blather every year from the coaches about how the kids love the chance to step up and compete at the higher level -- and it might even be true -- but I have never thought that the FBS game was smart -- even for money.

I have always said that the way to consistently field winners and make the playoffs most every year is to schedule 6 home games every year (even in years where we play only 11 games). At worst, we should be able to schedule 6 home games every other year. Give up the FBS game (a loss 90% of the time, a blowout loss half the time, and it leads to injuries every year) and replace it with a home game (or home and home) against a Patriot League, Big South, SoCon team every year. Maximize our home games, maximize our wins, consistently make the playoffs (maybe even win a few in the playoffs) and it will be amazing to see the benefits that will accrue to our entire sports department.

(04-12-2017 07:38 AM)nj alum Wrote:  Not sure about the annual sixth home game ... unless there's a one game deal involved ... as the math doesn't work with two home and homes, and one away FBS, in the OOC schedule.

If they go to 12 annually, does:

-CAA go to a 9 game conference schedule?

-Tribe play a second FBS school (ODU)?

It will definitely be 6 home and 6 away as it was all 3 of the recent previous times we had a 12 game schedule. I know we all realize this, but once the move becomes permanent, all deals on games will be the same as they are now. So, you will have a home and home with 3 OOC games and then an away FBS. If, by some chance there were 9 conference games, you would still balance your year to year schedule so that you had 2 home OOC games in the years with 4 home conference games, and 1 home OOC in the years with 5 CAA home games because nearly everything schedule-wise is a 2 year deal except for the away FBS game.

(04-12-2017 09:34 AM)Zorch Wrote:  It won't happen because we insist on playing a FBS game every year -- for money. There is always some blather every year from the coaches about how the kids love the chance to step up and compete at the higher level -- and it might even be true -- but I have never thought that the FBS game was smart -- even for money.

I have always said that the way to consistently field winners and make the playoffs most every year is to schedule 6 home games every year (even in years where we play only 11 games). At worst, we should be able to schedule 6 home games every other year. Give up the FBS game (a loss 90% of the time, a blowout loss half the time, and it leads to injuries every year) and replace it with a home game (or home and home) against a Patriot League, Big South, SoCon team every year. Maximize our home games, maximize our wins, consistently make the playoffs (maybe even win a few in the playoffs) and it will be amazing to see the benefits that will accrue to our entire sports department.

I will never want to give up playing UVA or Tech. Frankly I have far more interest in our FBS game than beating Sam Houston State et al. in the playoffs.

(04-12-2017 09:38 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  I will never want to give up playing UVA or Tech. Frankly I have far more interest in our FBS game than beating Sam Houston State et al. in the playoffs.

As a fan, I like the FBS game, too, and there is no greater feeling than when we win one (especially against UVa or Tech). However, the fact is that we lose that game the vast majority of the time and so when it comes right down to it, I would rather see an FCS playoff game on a consistent yearly basis (against whomever) than to see an almost-guaranteed loss against a FBS and an as-likely-as-not near-miss on making the playoffs because of that loss (instead of an FCS win).

(04-12-2017 09:34 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 09:05 AM)TribePride52 Wrote:  Having 12 games "should" result in an even number in away and home games. I don't see why it won't happen.

It won't happen because we insist on playing a FBS game every year -- for money. There is always some blather every year from the coaches about how the kids love the chance to step up and compete at the higher level -- and it might even be true -- but I have never thought that the FBS game was smart -- even for money.

I have always said that the way to consistently field winners and make the playoffs most every year is to schedule 6 home games every year (even in years where we play only 11 games). At worst, we should be able to schedule 6 home games every other year. Give up the FBS game (a loss 90% of the time, a blowout loss half the time, and it leads to injuries every year) and replace it with a home game (or home and home) against a Patriot League, Big South, SoCon team every year. Maximize our home games, maximize our wins, consistently make the playoffs (maybe even win a few in the playoffs) and it will be amazing to see the benefits that will accrue to our entire sports department.

I expect more than half of FCS schools play at least one FBS game. That might change in the future based on P5 conference scheduling requirements. But, for now, I do not think it hurts us. It provides some financial help to each of the programs that do it. In order to make the playoffs, you have to lose 4 games or less. In every year where we have made the playoffs, we won nearly all of our home games, never losing more than 1. But, you have to win half of your road games most years. With 12 games, the worst you possibly could do is 2-4 on the road. With 11 games, you basically need to go 3-3. Last season's hopes were essentially dashed with the home loss to Elon.

(04-12-2017 09:46 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  In order to make the playoffs, you have to lose 4 games or less. In every year where we have made the playoffs, we won nearly all of our home games, never losing more than 1. But, you have to win half of your road games most years. With 12 games, the worst you possibly could do is 2-4 on the road. With 11 games, you basically need to go 3-3. Last season's hopes were essentially dashed with the home loss to Elon.

Sometimes a team makes the playoffs with 4 losses (in an 11-game season) (although it never seems to be us, those years) but the rule of thumb to go by is that we really should not lose more than 3 and EXPECT to make the playoffs. So, keeping it down to 3 losses is a lot harder when one of them is to FBS. Also, it actually works to our favor if everybody else is losing to FBS while we are winning that week against FCS. Even in those years where our home-and-home has us playing 6 road games, we still have a lot better chance of winning an FCS road game than the almost-guaranteed loss of the FBS game.

Making the playoffs is all about the wins and the way to maximize the wins is to schedule more home games and to avoid FBS games. And, really, if we
are not serious about making the playoffs then why even play football at the FCS level?

How can anyone talk rationally about ditching the annual FBS game without suggesting a method of making up the tremendous loss of revenue? Actually winning that game is icing on the cake, which is the payout from the host...

Exactly. It is also the reason more than 50% of FCS plays one. Plus, the P5 school still rakes it in that weekend even after the payout to the FCS school.

(04-12-2017 09:34 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 09:05 AM)TribePride52 Wrote:  Having 12 games "should" result in an even number in away and home games. I don't see why it won't happen.

It won't happen because we insist on playing a FBS game every year -- for money.

Give up the FBS game (a loss 90% of the time, a blowout loss half the time, and it leads to injuries every year) and replace it with a home game (or home and home) against a Patriot League, Big South, SoCon team every year.

We play an FBS game each year because of our past history and rivalries - UVA, Tech, UNC, NC State. These aren't just some P5 games picked out of a hat for money. These are schools in close proximity with alumni interest in playing - at least as much as playing Towson and Maine. If we were playing simply for money - then plug in Tennessee or Oklahoma.

The games are also closer than not - at least competitive. Last year was the first year in some time I can remember losing badly - though still, it was 28-14 in the 3rd quarter at NC State.

Have never - ever - enjoyed a Tribe football game more than 2009 in Charlottesville.

I agree with NJ - let's do two. One ACC - then a G5 - either Navy, ODU, Tulane or a MAC school. If NA, then let's add a cross sectional FCS game with an MVC or Big Sky program.

I also like any FCS adds with Ivy, Patriot and Southern.

The only league that could get affected negatively is the Ivy league. They're attendance numbers aren't high as is.

A Dartmouth article states that if the FCS does add the 12th game, Ivies will have a harder time finding that extra OOC game.

FWIW, they article also gave the attendance numbers for 2016 for all colleges. W&M finished 24th in attendance out of the 30 listed.

(link to attendance records) http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...68803361=1

Link to Dartmouth article: http://biggreenalertblog.blogspot.com/20...n-fcs.html)

If they decide to go to a 12 game schedule, when would it take effect?

(04-12-2017 01:19 PM)TribePride52 Wrote:  If they decide to go to a 12 game schedule, when would it take effect?

2018.