(04-13-2017 12:47 PM)Rocco Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:32 PM)nj alum Wrote:  I understand what you're saying, but there's D-1 (FBS and FCS), and there's D-2.

I think the interesting question is to ask a UVa fan whether they'd want a home game against W&M / Richmond / JMU, or a home game against Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Minnesota, or Boston College.

In 2014 UVA played #7 UCLA then Richmond. They drew about 15k more fans to the UCLA game. In 2015 they played Notre Dame before W&M and there were about 17k more fans for ND. Boise State came to town on a Friday night after UVA played W&M and there were about 1k more fans in the crowd. I think that answers your question.

You never disappoint! Actual numbers! :-)

But, come on, I said Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Minnesota, and Boston College, not UCLA, Boise, and the Fighting Irish.

I chose my list carefully ... arguably the bottom half of FBS, one from each of the P5, with no geographic ties. Does the UVa fan want to see that, or the top half of FCS with geographic ties?

(04-13-2017 01:35 PM)Rocco Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 01:10 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:47 PM)Rocco Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:32 PM)nj alum Wrote:  I understand what you're saying, but there's D-1 (FBS and FCS), and there's D-2.

I think the interesting question is to ask a UVa fan whether they'd want a home game against W&M / Richmond / JMU, or a home game against Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Minnesota, or Boston College.

In 2014 UVA played #7 UCLA then Richmond. They drew about 15k more fans to the UCLA game. In 2015 they played Notre Dame before W&M and there were about 17k more fans for ND. Boise State came to town on a Friday night after UVA played W&M and there were about 1k more fans in the crowd. I think that answers your question.

In 2009, I am pretty sure the W&M game was UVAs largest crowd of the year.

Comparing ND vs W&M is ridiculous, proves nothing.

Compare the W&M gate with the games they would more likely replace us with (Ball State, Idaho, Central Michigan, etc).

VT drew more that year. Turns out fans aren't super-pumped to go out and watch an awful team. Last year UR drew more than Central Michigan...but the CMU game was their 4th game of the year after UVA dropped their first 3 games.

Last year in Charlotteville:
UR at UVA: 49,000
Central Mich at UVA: 35,000

That's 14,000 tickets at $40 a pop - equates to an extra $600,000.00. Add to the fact they will pay the FCS team roughly half what they pay a G5, you can see the financial reasoning from UVA and others to play in-state FCS games. Makes sense, common and financial.

(04-13-2017 01:54 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 01:35 PM)Rocco Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 01:10 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:47 PM)Rocco Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:32 PM)nj alum Wrote:  I understand what you're saying, but there's D-1 (FBS and FCS), and there's D-2.

I think the interesting question is to ask a UVa fan whether they'd want a home game against W&M / Richmond / JMU, or a home game against Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Minnesota, or Boston College.

In 2014 UVA played #7 UCLA then Richmond. They drew about 15k more fans to the UCLA game. In 2015 they played Notre Dame before W&M and there were about 17k more fans for ND. Boise State came to town on a Friday night after UVA played W&M and there were about 1k more fans in the crowd. I think that answers your question.

In 2009, I am pretty sure the W&M game was UVAs largest crowd of the year.

Comparing ND vs W&M is ridiculous, proves nothing.

Compare the W&M gate with the games they would more likely replace us with (Ball State, Idaho, Central Michigan, etc).

VT drew more that year. Turns out fans aren't super-pumped to go out and watch an awful team. Last year UR drew more than Central Michigan...but the CMU game was their 4th game of the year after UVA dropped their first 3 games.

Last year in Charlotteville:
UR at UVA: 49,000
Central Mich at UVA: 35,000

That's 14,000 tickets at $40 a pop - equates to an extra $600,000.00. Add to the fact they will pay the FCS team roughly half what they pay a G5, you can see the financial reasoning from UVA and others to play in-state FCS games. Makes sense, common and financial.

On the other hand, VT's attendance for Liberty last year was lower than their attendance for ECU. In 2015 Furman was their 2nd lowest attendance behind Pitt (which was played in the remants of a hurricane.) Part of it might be that UVA has a crappy football team and fans quickly lose interest after the first game or so.

(04-13-2017 01:50 PM)nj alum Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:47 PM)Rocco Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:32 PM)nj alum Wrote:  I understand what you're saying, but there's D-1 (FBS and FCS), and there's D-2.

I think the interesting question is to ask a UVa fan whether they'd want a home game against W&M / Richmond / JMU, or a home game against Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Minnesota, or Boston College.

In 2014 UVA played #7 UCLA then Richmond. They drew about 15k more fans to the UCLA game. In 2015 they played Notre Dame before W&M and there were about 17k more fans for ND. Boise State came to town on a Friday night after UVA played W&M and there were about 1k more fans in the crowd. I think that answers your question.

You never disappoint! Actual numbers! :-)

But, come on, I said Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Minnesota, and Boston College, not UCLA, Boise, and the Fighting Irish.

I chose my list carefully ... arguably the bottom half of FBS, one from each of the P5, with no geographic ties. Does the UVa fan want to see that, or the top half of FCS with geographic ties?

If UVA football is swirling the drain I'm not sure it matters a whole lot. It's probably easier for them to sell tickets to 1-AA schools that are only 2-3 hours away.

RTD writeup of the change
http://www.richmond.com/sports/college/s...87a69.html

From 6/25/16 ... but still relevant.

(04-13-2017 02:29 PM)Rocco Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 01:54 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 01:35 PM)Rocco Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 01:10 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 12:47 PM)Rocco Wrote:  In 2014 UVA played #7 UCLA then Richmond. They drew about 15k more fans to the UCLA game. In 2015 they played Notre Dame before W&M and there were about 17k more fans for ND. Boise State came to town on a Friday night after UVA played W&M and there were about 1k more fans in the crowd. I think that answers your question.

In 2009, I am pretty sure the W&M game was UVAs largest crowd of the year.

Comparing ND vs W&M is ridiculous, proves nothing.

Compare the W&M gate with the games they would more likely replace us with (Ball State, Idaho, Central Michigan, etc).

VT drew more that year. Turns out fans aren't super-pumped to go out and watch an awful team. Last year UR drew more than Central Michigan...but the CMU game was their 4th game of the year after UVA dropped their first 3 games.

Last year in Charlotteville:
UR at UVA: 49,000
Central Mich at UVA: 35,000

That's 14,000 tickets at $40 a pop - equates to an extra $600,000.00. Add to the fact they will pay the FCS team roughly half what they pay a G5, you can see the financial reasoning from UVA and others to play in-state FCS games. Makes sense, common and financial.

On the other hand, VT's attendance for Liberty last year was lower than their attendance for ECU. In 2015 Furman was their 2nd lowest attendance behind Pitt (which was played in the remants of a hurricane.) Part of it might be that UVA has a crappy football team and fans quickly lose interest after the first game or so.

ECU is a pretty heated rival for Tech - so again, the point is really whether Tech and UVA are better off financially playing FCS state schools vs. the assumed replacement, some dregs random G5 team - either of which will give them a win.

On Furman, you site the attendance with no actual numbers - but I would bet since they pay FCS teams signicantly less on guarantees, it was likely the most profitable game on their schedule.

(04-13-2017 05:27 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  ECU is a pretty heated rival for Tech - so again, the point is really whether Tech and UVA are better off financially playing FCS state schools vs. the assumed replacement, some dregs random G5 team - either of which will give them a win.

Heated rival? LOLOLOL no. ECU cares a lot. No one cares about ECU.

Quote:On Furman, you site the attendance with no actual numbers - but I would bet since they pay FCS teams signicantly less on guarantees, it was likely the most profitable game on their schedule.

http://www.hokiesports.com/football/stats/2015/?gbg



To be pedantic, I'd guess their most profitable games are their conference games where they don't have to write anyone a check. I don't know for certain how much VT paid for Furman but I read it was $400k. JMU got $425k from SMU two years ago. It certainly is profitable, which is why teams are willing to pay minnows and jobbers.

(04-13-2017 12:26 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  It's kinda funny how we turn our nose at D2 games, but ove playing these FBS games. Like as a fan I don't want to go to a game against a D2 opponent, but I feel like FBS teams feel the same way about us.

Am not sure someone put the answer in but FBS teams can count 1 FCS win per year for bowl eligibility purposes so it counts. Don't think a D-II win counts for anything in the eyes of a playoff committee as opposed to a lower end D-I team.

(04-13-2017 05:51 PM)Rocco Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 05:27 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  ECU is a pretty heated rival for Tech - so again, the point is really whether Tech and UVA are better off financially playing FCS state schools vs. the assumed replacement, some dregs random G5 team - either of which will give them a win.

Heated rival? LOLOLOL no. ECU cares a lot. No one cares about ECU.

Quote:On Furman, you site the attendance with no actual numbers - but I would bet since they pay FCS teams signicantly less on guarantees, it was likely the most profitable game on their schedule.

http://www.hokiesports.com/football/stats/2015/?gbg



To be pedantic, I'd guess their most profitable games are their conference games where they don't have to write anyone a check. I don't know for certain how much VT paid for Furman but I read it was $400k. JMU got $425k from SMU two years ago. It certainly is profitable, which is why teams are willing to pay minnows and jobbers.

So, I'm not following your point. Are you totally against these games? Are the ADs involved who scheduled FCS games imbeciles? What are you arguing?

And stop being so pedantic.

My point is that fans would rather see 1-A teams if they're going to pay 1-A prices for tickets.

I think fans want to see good teams with a chance for the home team to win. Think about Ohio State visiting Tech. I'd think that UVA and Tech would love to ***** slap JMU if given the chance and say they destroyed the FCS National Champ. They would sell more tickets to that game compared to teams like Miami of Ohio, Toledo, etc.

Didn't think these needed a new thread but here are some new rules:


The highlights:

– Allowing the Collegiate Commissioners Association to give final approval on a December signing period.

– Approving a 10th full-time assistant coach, effective Jan. 9.

– Approving the IAWP rule, which prohibits programs from hiring high school coaches and other individuals associated with a recruit for a 2-year period before and after said recruit’s enrollment. We ran through the effects of this rule and the AFCA’s support for it earlier this week.



– Allowing official visits to occur in the spring of a recruit’s junior year.

– Limiting the number of signees in a given year to 25. Walk-ons who have been on campus for longer than two years are exempted from the 25 count.

– Limiting camp periods to 10 days in June and July and requires said camps to take place on college facilities.

– Defeats a proposal that would have added a permanent 12th regular season game in FCS.

So wait after all that we aren't getting the 12th game?

(04-14-2017 12:55 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  So wait after all that we aren't getting the 12th game?

Too many conference reps voted no. I don't have a full vote count though.

EDIT: Votes were 8-5. Two away from getting passed.

I feel like if we were to go to 12 games, we would need more scholarships first.

(04-14-2017 12:58 PM)TribePride52 Wrote:  I feel like if we were to go to 12 games, we would need more scholarships first.

Bingo

(04-14-2017 12:58 PM)TribePride52 Wrote:  I feel like if we were to go to 12 games, we would need more scholarships first.

That was a complaint brought up by JL and others in an article posted. Someone may have to check the years they had a 12 game schedule to see if there were a higher than normal number of injuries.

Sort of relevant to this thread.

Big Ten has backed off a little on the FCS ban:

https://sports.yahoo.com/jim-delany-conf...28285.html

Purdue has scheduled an FCS game for 2022:

http://www.fbschedules.com/2017/08/purdu...tate-2022/