Well, at least we didn't build a bunch of fake cities and fake islands.

(04-10-2017 02:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 01:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:39 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:06 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  The biggest problem with any stroll down alternative history lane is the inability to foresee the consequences of the change.

Just consider one exceedingly dire scenario. Had we not gone into Iraq and got Saddam, we could have faced a widespread war in the middle east if an emboldened Saddam attacked Israel. It could have led to nuclear conflict. We would have been drawn into the conflict at some point. Heck, we could have been involved in WWIII.

Iraq doesn't and didn't have nukes so who would have used them in this scenario?

How do you think Israel would have responded if Iraq attacked them with chemical weapons?

I don't know, what makes you think Saddam would have done that to Irarel aside from bluster? Iran blusters about wanting to wipe them off the face of the earth all the time yet they haven't tried it. How about this question, when was the last time the US tried to implement regime change in the Middle East that worked?

I dunno, maybe the fact that Iraq has attacked Israel four separate times. Who thought Saddam was going to invade Kuwait?

(04-10-2017 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I dunno, maybe the fact that Iraq has attacked Israel four separate times. Who thought Saddam was going to invade Kuwait?

The first deputy speaker of the Iraqi parliament, Homam Hamoudi, announced that Iraq plans to sue Israel for monetary compensation for carrying out Operation Opera, Israeli attack on the Osirak nuclear reactor in southeastern Baghdad which occured on June 7, 1981.
-- ynetnews

ENUMERATE

(04-10-2017 03:14 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I dunno, maybe the fact that Iraq has attacked Israel four separate times. Who thought Saddam was going to invade Kuwait?

The first deputy speaker of the Iraqi parliament, Homam Hamoudi, announced that Iraq plans to sue Israel for monetary compensation for carrying out Operation Opera, Israeli attack on the Osirak nuclear reactor in southeastern Baghdad which occured on June 7, 1981.
-- ynetnews

ENUMERATE

So?


NO POINT AS USUAL

(04-10-2017 03:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 03:14 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I dunno, maybe the fact that Iraq has attacked Israel four separate times. Who thought Saddam was going to invade Kuwait?

The first deputy speaker of the Iraqi parliament, Homam Hamoudi, announced that Iraq plans to sue Israel for monetary compensation for carrying out Operation Opera, Israeli attack on the Osirak nuclear reactor in southeastern Baghdad which occured on June 7, 1981.
-- ynetnews

ENUMERATE

So?


NO POINT AS USUAL

sew buttons ...
enumerate the 4 attacks on israel ...

DEXTER POINDEXTER

(04-10-2017 03:38 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 03:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 03:14 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I dunno, maybe the fact that Iraq has attacked Israel four separate times. Who thought Saddam was going to invade Kuwait?

The first deputy speaker of the Iraqi parliament, Homam Hamoudi, announced that Iraq plans to sue Israel for monetary compensation for carrying out Operation Opera, Israeli attack on the Osirak nuclear reactor in southeastern Baghdad which occured on June 7, 1981.
-- ynetnews

ENUMERATE

So?


NO POINT AS USUAL

sew buttons ...
enumerate the 4 attacks on israel ...

DEXTER POINDEXTER

1948 Palestinian War
Six Day War
Yom Kippur War
Scud strikes during the Gulf War

And this isn't counting the direct, overt support that the Ba'athist Regime under Saddam gave the Palestinians, including financial support to families of Hamas suicide bombers.

(04-10-2017 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 02:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 01:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:39 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 11:06 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  The biggest problem with any stroll down alternative history lane is the inability to foresee the consequences of the change.

Just consider one exceedingly dire scenario. Had we not gone into Iraq and got Saddam, we could have faced a widespread war in the middle east if an emboldened Saddam attacked Israel. It could have led to nuclear conflict. We would have been drawn into the conflict at some point. Heck, we could have been involved in WWIII.

Iraq doesn't and didn't have nukes so who would have used them in this scenario?

How do you think Israel would have responded if Iraq attacked them with chemical weapons?

I don't know, what makes you think Saddam would have done that to Irarel aside from bluster? Iran blusters about wanting to wipe them off the face of the earth all the time yet they haven't tried it. How about this question, when was the last time the US tried to implement regime change in the Middle East that worked?

I dunno, maybe the fact that Iraq has attacked Israel four separate times. Who thought Saddam was going to invade Kuwait?

And how did we handle his little invasion of Kuwait? Oh yeah we kicked their ass back to the stone age in like a month. None of those countries stand a chance in an actual military conflict against us, just let their little dictators stay in power and if they cross the line destroy their militaries quickly and then be done with it. As sad as it is to say guys like Saddam are far easier to deal with than the terror groups that have filled the power vacuum. The world would be far better off as a whole if you had Saddam and Gaddafi still in charge than the pure sh*t shows we left behind in those countries. As soon as you can tell me one single time we've messed around over there overthrowing leaders and it turned out better I'll support doing it again.

We had one of our own billionaires say the same thing.

He's the President now.

(04-10-2017 04:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 03:38 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 03:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 03:14 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I dunno, maybe the fact that Iraq has attacked Israel four separate times. Who thought Saddam was going to invade Kuwait?

The first deputy speaker of the Iraqi parliament, Homam Hamoudi, announced that Iraq plans to sue Israel for monetary compensation for carrying out Operation Opera, Israeli attack on the Osirak nuclear reactor in southeastern Baghdad which occured on June 7, 1981.
-- ynetnews

ENUMERATE

So?


NO POINT AS USUAL

sew buttons ...
enumerate the 4 attacks on israel ...

DEXTER POINDEXTER

1948 Palestinian War
Six Day War
Yom Kippur War
Scud strikes during the Gulf War

And this isn't counting the direct, overt support that the Ba'athist Regime under Saddam gave the Palestinians, including financial support to families of Hamas suicide bombers.

In March 2003, the United States of America put together an international coalition, dubbed the "Coalition of the Willing" to toople Saddam Hussein. This coalition was predictably criticised, particularly by the anti-American Left, as coercive, unilateral and unrepresentative. Smaller countries in the Coalition were labelled "token" allies, and ulterior motives were ascribed to various Coalition governments, despite the respective governments outlining highly plausible reasons for their participation. Britain was characterised as isolated in Europe, despite the fact that most European countries were part of the Coalition of the Willing.
-- pwhce.org

that's like saying honduras attacked iraq because of professed moral support during operation iraqi freedom ...

PROXIMATE CAUSE

(04-11-2017 10:04 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 04:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 03:38 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 03:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 03:14 PM)green Wrote:  The first deputy speaker of the Iraqi parliament, Homam Hamoudi, announced that Iraq plans to sue Israel for monetary compensation for carrying out Operation Opera, Israeli attack on the Osirak nuclear reactor in southeastern Baghdad which occured on June 7, 1981.
-- ynetnews

ENUMERATE

So?


NO POINT AS USUAL

sew buttons ...
enumerate the 4 attacks on israel ...

DEXTER POINDEXTER

1948 Palestinian War
Six Day War
Yom Kippur War
Scud strikes during the Gulf War

And this isn't counting the direct, overt support that the Ba'athist Regime under Saddam gave the Palestinians, including financial support to families of Hamas suicide bombers.

In March 2003, the United States of America put together an international coalition, dubbed the "Coalition of the Willing" to toople Saddam Hussein. This coalition was predictably criticised, particularly by the anti-American Left, as coercive, unilateral and unrepresentative. Smaller countries in the Coalition were labelled "token" allies, and ulterior motives were ascribed to various Coalition governments, despite the respective governments outlining highly plausible reasons for their participation. Britain was characterised as isolated in Europe, despite the fact that most European countries were part of the Coalition of the Willing.
-- pwhce.org

that's like saying honduras attacked iraq because of professed moral support during operation iraqi freedom ...

PROXIMATE CAUSE

You are clueless as usual. Your comparison isn't even apples and oranges, it's so far out there that it's like comparing apples and tennis balls.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm

Quote:Saddam Hussein has paid out thousands of dollars to families of Palestinians killed in fighting with Israel.

Relatives of at least one suicide attacker as well as other militants and civilians gathered in a hall in Gaza City to receive cheques.

"Iraq and Palestine are in one trench. Saddam is a hero," read a banner over a picture of the Iraqi leader and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat at the ceremony.

https://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/isrl-pa...002-06.htm

Quote:The government of Iraq has expressly endorsed and encouraged suicide bombing attacks against civilians. Iraq, in its provision of funds to families of "martyrs" and others, has established a differential in which families of suicide bombing operatives are said to receive a considerably larger sum of $25,000, while other families that have suffered a death receive $10,000.33 In promoting suicide attacks, Iraqi leaders have made no distinction between attacks against civilians and attacks against military targets.

Iraq provides these monies through the local Ba'th Party-affiliated Arab Liberation Front (ALF). The ALF is a constituent member of the Palestine Liberation Organization, and a representative sits on the PLO executive committee, but it is not considered to have a significant number of adherents and is not credited with playing any role in the current clashes other than as a conduit for Iraqi government funds and propaganda. The ALF has told reporters that Iraq has provided $20 million in aid to Palestinians since clashes began in September 2000, but it is not known what portion of that amount has been provided to families of suicide bombers.34 One Gaza-based ALF official, Ibrahim al-Za'anin, told Reuters, "President Saddam made clear that [suicide] attacks must be considered the utmost act of martyrdom."35

There are several accounts of public events where such payments have been made. Reporter Paul McGeough described a meeting of some 200 members of forty-seven families who gathered in the Tulkarem chamber of commerce in March 2002 to collect checks.36 Two were families of suicide bombers. ALF secretary-general Rakad Salem told McGeough in Ramallah that as of late March 2002 more than eight hundred families of Palestinians killed in the unrest had received $10,000 "martyr" payments, and that the funds had been "transferred by the banks-from the Iraqi banks to the banks in Palestine."37 The Tulkarem ALF officials told McGeough that the additional $15,000 payment was to encourage more volunteers for suicide missions.38 A member of the Palestine Legislative Council was reportedly among those presiding at the Tulkarem event.

Another report described an ALF gathering on May 20 in the Gaza Strip at which forty-six families of "martyrs" received $10,000 apiece and the families of two suicide bombers received $25,000 apiece.39 In a Sky TV broadcast of a similar event staged by the ALF in Gaza on July 17, 2002, members of families of "martyrs" killed in the violence received certificates and $10,000 checks, while families of suicide bombers received $25,000.40 The report did not indicate the numbers of families in either category.