The Russell Athletic Bowl is now the Camping World Bowl.
-- @CWBowlOrlando

PITCH A TENT

Makes sense considering it's at Camping World Stadium.

Still ACC vs B12.

Does it really matter what the title sponsor of a third tier bowl is?

If we're calling the Orlando Bowl 3rd tier, what tier do we place a majority of the games that have an ACC tie-in?

(04-11-2017 04:41 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  If we're calling the Orlando Bowl 3rd tier, what tier do we place a majority of the games that have an ACC bowl?

What tier would you put it in?

It's not in the same tier as the playoff and contract bowls. It's not in the same tier as the Capital One/Alamo/Outback Bowls in either payout or date. Hell, it trails the Texas and Holiday bowls in payout.

Tier 1: NY6 <-- Elite bowls, Top 15 teams
Tier 2: Alamo, Camping World, Citrus, Holiday <-- Name bowls, Top 30 teams
Tier 3: Belk, Sun, Gator, Liberty <-- Name bowls, but lesser names, Top 50 teams
Tier 4: Everything else
Tier 5: Independence Bowl, Idaho Potato Bowl, Bahamas Bowl, Hawaii Bowl

(04-11-2017 05:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Tier 1: NY6 <-- Elite bowls, Top 15 teams
Tier 2: Alamo, Camping World, Citrus, Holiday <-- Name bowls, Top 30 teams
Tier 3: Belk, Sun, Gator, Liberty <-- Name bowls, but lesser names, Top 50 teams
Tier 4: Everything else
Tier 5: Independence Bowl, Idaho Potato Bowl, Bahamas Bowl, Hawaii Bowl

You've lost your ever-loving mind. Even the organization that puts on our Orlando bowl doesn't consider it to be at the same level as the Citrus. As for the "name" aspect of it.....what name? The Blockbuster Bowl? The Carquest Bowl? The time it assumed the former name of it's better sibling and was called the Tangerine? Champs Sports?

Hell, it was fitting when it was called the Russell Athletic. Both are cheap competitors for much richer and higher regarded entities.

Pinstripe is not Tier 4...you're nutz

(04-11-2017 08:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Pinstripe is not Tier 4...you're nutz

If by clear standards the Russell Athletic/Camping World Bowl is clearly 3rd tier what standard does the Pinstripe Bowl join it in said tier?


It's a Pre-New Years bowl in a baseball stadium in a city that doesn't support college football. The absolute only fanbases in this country who consider a late December bowl in an open stadium with piss poor football sightlines as a reward are Syracuse and Rutgers.

(04-11-2017 04:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Does it really matter what the title sponsor of a third tier bowl is?

"MatchMarcus" CNBC host and Camping World CEO Marcus Lemonis launches $3M Challenge in support of Miami Athletics
-- @CaneReport

ask not what your conference can do for U ...

ASK WHAT U CAN DO FOR YOUR CONFERENCE

Just "Camping World Bowl" does sound funny...!!

I wish every bowl would associate itself with a fruit or something and give the title sponsor the name above it so we wouldn't get so confused.

i.e. tositos fiesta bowl, ___ Peach bowl, ___ Orange bowl, ___ Cotton bowl etc...

(04-11-2017 06:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 05:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Tier 1: NY6 <-- Elite bowls, Top 15 teams
Tier 2: Alamo, Camping World, Citrus, Holiday <-- Name bowls, Top 30 teams
Tier 3: Belk, Sun, Gator, Liberty <-- Name bowls, but lesser names, Top 50 teams
Tier 4: Everything else
Tier 5: Independence Bowl, Idaho Potato Bowl, Bahamas Bowl, Hawaii Bowl

You've lost your ever-loving mind. Even the organization that puts on our Orlando bowl doesn't consider it to be at the same level as the Citrus. As for the "name" aspect of it.....what name? The Blockbuster Bowl? The Carquest Bowl? The time it assumed the former name of it's better sibling and was called the Tangerine? Champs Sports?

Hell, it was fitting when it was called the Russell Athletic. Both are cheap competitors for much richer and higher regarded entities.

I know that the payout stinks comparatively, but it is the game to which our number one non-NY6 goes (unless bumped up to the Citrus), and the opponent is the number two non-NY6 schools from the B12. That puts it on a par with the Citrus, which gets the number one from the B1G vs. a high pick from the SEC, and the Alamo, which gets the number ones from the B12 and P12. Hopefully, if the quality of available schools from the ACC continues to be solid, we can get a bump to a better bowl in the next round of contracts (perhaps the Outback or Citrus in years that the SEC gets the Orange Bowl bid). I believe the current deals for lower bowls run three more years.

(04-12-2017 11:35 AM)HRFlossY Wrote:  Just "Camping World Bowl" does sound funny...!!

I wish every bowl would associate itself with a fruit or something and give the title sponsor the name above it so we wouldn't get so confused.

i.e. tositos fiesta bowl, ___ Peach bowl, ___ Orange bowl, ___ Cotton bowl etc...

When they first moved the game from Miami, they called it the Tangerine Bowl, after the former name of the Citrus Bowl. Aside from that year or two, this game has always just been named after the sponsor.

(04-12-2017 11:45 AM)orangefan Wrote:  I know that the payout stinks

payouts are not static ...

INDEX TO INFLATION

(04-12-2017 11:55 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 11:45 AM)orangefan Wrote:  I know that the payout stinks

payouts are not static ...

INDEX TO INFLATION

From 2015-16
http://www.statisticbrain.com/college-bo...e-payouts/

Citrus Bowl $4,250,000
Alamo Bowl $3,825,000
Outback Bowl $3,500,000
TicketCity Cactus $3,350,000
Texas Bowl $3,000,000
Holiday Bowl $2,825,000
Music City Bowl $2,750,000
TaxSlayer (Previously Gator Bowl) $2,750,000
Russell Athletic Bowl $2,275,000
Sun Bowl $2,150,000
Foster Farms $2,212,500
Pinstripe Bowl $2,000,000
Belk Bowl $1,700,000

One problem with the Camping World Bowl is that it's played in the same stadium as the Citrus. That means it has to be played several days before New Year's. Of course, the Chick fil A Peach used to be the top non BCS game for the ACC, but it got bumped up to a CFP bowl. The Gator would seem like a natural fit, but we would need a quality opponent and ESPN has to make the TV money work.

(04-11-2017 11:44 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 08:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Pinstripe is not Tier 4...you're nutz

If by clear standards the Russell Athletic/Camping World Bowl is clearly 3rd tier what standard does the Pinstripe Bowl join it in said tier?


It's a Pre-New Years bowl in a baseball stadium in a city that doesn't support college football. The absolute only fanbases in this country who consider a late December bowl in an open stadium with piss poor football sightlines as a reward are Syracuse and Rutgers.

Note: The semifinal Playoff games were held pre-New Years Day...does that make them 3rd Tier?

You don't attend a game in NYC because the locals may or may not be into the game...you are in freaking NYC and the game is just part of the attraction...

The bowl game pays pretty well and is in the same tier as the Belk Bowl, Sun Bowl, and either the TaxSlayer or Music City Bowl.

Quote:Like many conferences, the ACC has a selection hierarchy when it comes to filling it remaining bowl game partners. However, the ACC’s system is not a true one-through-ten type of hierarchy. If the conference faces a Big Ten opponent in the Orange Bowl, then the Citrus Bowl will have the first pick of the remaining ACC teams. And if the Big Ten fills the Citrus Bowl instead of the Orange Bowl, the Russell Athletic Bowl gets the first pick of the remaining bowl eligible teams.

The remaining ACC-affiliated bowl games are split among two different tiers. Tier One is comprised of the Belk Bowl, Sun Bowl, Pinstripe Bowl and either the TaxSlayer or Music City Bowl. Each of these four games has equal selection status, meaning who is selected for any particular bowl comes down to geography and past participation in a given game.

https://campusinsiders.com/news/acc-bowl...1-01-2016/

Look I get it...you hate the north and your provincial butt is more at home within 4 hours of SC...but it doesn't make your opinion correct.

GTS was dead wrong calling it Tier 4.