(04-11-2017 10:55 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:47 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  That 20 minutes of radio was brutal.

It couldn't have been worse than the 10 minutes I just heard with Cowboy on 560

wish i could have heard that

(04-11-2017 10:55 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:47 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  That 20 minutes of radio was brutal.

It couldn't have been worse than the 10 minutes I just heard with Cowboy on 560

What was said?

(04-11-2017 10:56 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:55 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:47 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  That 20 minutes of radio was brutal.

It couldn't have been worse than the 10 minutes I just heard with Cowboy on 560

What was said?

Hardly understood a word

He and Pooh have a relationship

He and Tubby had a relationship going back to Andre Hollins

Jalen Crutcher played for him in AAU and just got his release from UTC

That's about all I could understand

(04-11-2017 10:58 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:56 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:55 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:47 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  That 20 minutes of radio was brutal.

It couldn't have been worse than the 10 minutes I just heard with Cowboy on 560

What was said?

Hardly understood a word

He and Pooh have a relationship

He and Tubby had a relationship going back to Andre Hollins

Jalen Crutcher played for him in AAU and just got his release from UTC

That's about all I could understand

Wella, wella and erra erra

(04-11-2017 11:01 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:58 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:56 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:55 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:47 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  That 20 minutes of radio was brutal.

It couldn't have been worse than the 10 minutes I just heard with Cowboy on 560

What was said?

Hardly understood a word

He and Pooh have a relationship

He and Tubby had a relationship going back to Andre Hollins

Jalen Crutcher played for him in AAU and just got his release from UTC

That's about all I could understand

Wella, wella and erra erra

Iono bout dat

Shine, Moody, Sneed, Wise, London

or

Martin, Brewton, Darrington, Rivers, Azab

(04-11-2017 11:02 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Shine, Moody, Sneed, Wise, London

or

Martin, Brewton, Darrington, Rivers, Azab

No even a question to ask, it's a no-brainer.

(04-11-2017 10:54 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:30 AM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:18 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:15 AM)450bench Wrote:  I've listened to these guys and know their collective take on the subject. I've also read your opinions and understand where you stand as well. I simply differ with the doomsday scenario that you and others who share your take continuously deliver.
One thing is for sure here. Either you're right and you called it early or you're wrong and will look compromised if the team does well. If you are right with the doomsday outlook, I'll be the first to acknowledge just that and tip my hat to you while joining your side.
But if you're wrong, and there are a bunch that agree with your stance, it will be very interesting to hear their perspective, and yours, on the situation.

I think it's ridiculously premature to jump off a cliff right now. We should let Tubby do things his way and evaluate at minimum during the season, or at the end and go from there.

Do you think the roster will be better?

If so why?

The quality of juco players are down.

Ratings mean little

Gary gave out the last five years of #19 juco player and they did not total to what Detric had last year in points and rebounds. I have been here in Memphis since 1967 and this roster will rival the last year Iba was here.

JUCO:
#19
2016: Conor McDougal 0.3 ppg
2015: Fredrick Edmond 12.2 ppg, 6 rpg (kicked out of school in 1st year)
2014: Carlos Morris 11.1 ppg (kicked off team 2nd season)
2013: Stephane Manga 3.0 ppg 1.8 rpg
2012: DJ Bennett 2.8 ppg 2.0 rpg

#23
2016: Branden Jenkins 2.2 ppg
2015: Torren Jones 10.5 ppg 8 rpg (kicked off team after 21 games)
2014: Dinjiyl Walker 3.3 ppg both seasons
2013: Chris Griffin 5.7 ppg 4.0 rpg (kicked off of team 2nd season)
2012: DD Scarver 11.9 ppg at Marshall, transferred to TX Southern 2nd year 12.6 ppg

That's no way to do a regression.

I'm sure your point would be confirmed if you did the math. But 10 random data points cherry picked is statistically meaningless. It would be very difficult to built an accurate model for JUCO production.

Either way, no one person is going to replace DL. But hopefully we are playing more than 6 players in our rotation next year. The team will be bad next year. around 12 wins for the center of the distribution.

Random and cherry picked? He just used the most recent 5 years and two basic stats for measuring the impact of a player. I guess he could have tossed in assists but the message is pretty clear. They either suck or are going to be gone within a year... This is a sports message board, not the mathletes board...

(04-11-2017 11:02 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Shine, Moody, Sneed, Wise, London

or

Martin, Brewton, Darrington, Rivers, Azab

The most common starting lineup on that team was:

Omar Sneed
Snap Hunter
Marcus Moody
Jermaine Ousley
Dinno Daniels

With Wise starting some and Shine starting quite a bit.

(04-11-2017 11:06 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 11:02 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Shine, Moody, Sneed, Wise, London

or

Martin, Brewton, Darrington, Rivers, Azab

The most common starting lineup on that team was:

Omar Sneed
Snap Hunter
Marcus Moody
Jermaine Ousley
Dinno Daniels

With Wise starting some and Shine starting quite a bit.

Wise became a very good player...

(04-11-2017 11:07 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 11:06 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 11:02 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Shine, Moody, Sneed, Wise, London

or

Martin, Brewton, Darrington, Rivers, Azab

The most common starting lineup on that team was:

Omar Sneed
Snap Hunter
Marcus Moody
Jermaine Ousley
Dinno Daniels

With Wise starting some and Shine starting quite a bit.

Wise became a very good player...

Yes he did. But that season he was a freshman

(04-11-2017 11:05 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:54 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:30 AM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:18 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  Do you think the roster will be better?

If so why?

The quality of juco players are down.

Ratings mean little

Gary gave out the last five years of #19 juco player and they did not total to what Detric had last year in points and rebounds. I have been here in Memphis since 1967 and this roster will rival the last year Iba was here.

JUCO:
#19
2016: Conor McDougal 0.3 ppg
2015: Fredrick Edmond 12.2 ppg, 6 rpg (kicked out of school in 1st year)
2014: Carlos Morris 11.1 ppg (kicked off team 2nd season)
2013: Stephane Manga 3.0 ppg 1.8 rpg
2012: DJ Bennett 2.8 ppg 2.0 rpg

#23
2016: Branden Jenkins 2.2 ppg
2015: Torren Jones 10.5 ppg 8 rpg (kicked off team after 21 games)
2014: Dinjiyl Walker 3.3 ppg both seasons
2013: Chris Griffin 5.7 ppg 4.0 rpg (kicked off of team 2nd season)
2012: DD Scarver 11.9 ppg at Marshall, transferred to TX Southern 2nd year 12.6 ppg

That's no way to do a regression.

I'm sure your point would be confirmed if you did the math. But 10 random data points cherry picked is statistically meaningless. It would be very difficult to built an accurate model for JUCO production.

Either way, no one person is going to replace DL. But hopefully we are playing more than 6 players in our rotation next year. The team will be bad next year. around 12 wins for the center of the distribution.

Random and cherry picked? He just used the most recent 5 years and two basic stats for measuring the impact of a player. I guess he could have tossed in assists but the message is pretty clear. They either suck or are going to be gone within a year... This is a sports message board, not the mathletes board...

He definitely didn't include actual playing time.

(04-11-2017 10:54 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:30 AM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:18 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:15 AM)450bench Wrote:  I've listened to these guys and know their collective take on the subject. I've also read your opinions and understand where you stand as well. I simply differ with the doomsday scenario that you and others who share your take continuously deliver.
One thing is for sure here. Either you're right and you called it early or you're wrong and will look compromised if the team does well. If you are right with the doomsday outlook, I'll be the first to acknowledge just that and tip my hat to you while joining your side.
But if you're wrong, and there are a bunch that agree with your stance, it will be very interesting to hear their perspective, and yours, on the situation.

I think it's ridiculously premature to jump off a cliff right now. We should let Tubby do things his way and evaluate at minimum during the season, or at the end and go from there.

Do you think the roster will be better?

If so why?

The quality of juco players are down.

Ratings mean little

Gary gave out the last five years of #19 juco player and they did not total to what Detric had last year in points and rebounds. I have been here in Memphis since 1967 and this roster will rival the last year Iba was here.

JUCO:
#19
2016: Conor McDougal 0.3 ppg
2015: Fredrick Edmond 12.2 ppg, 6 rpg (kicked out of school in 1st year)
2014: Carlos Morris 11.1 ppg (kicked off team 2nd season)
2013: Stephane Manga 3.0 ppg 1.8 rpg
2012: DJ Bennett 2.8 ppg 2.0 rpg

#23
2016: Branden Jenkins 2.2 ppg
2015: Torren Jones 10.5 ppg 8 rpg (kicked off team after 21 games)
2014: Dinjiyl Walker 3.3 ppg both seasons
2013: Chris Griffin 5.7 ppg 4.0 rpg (kicked off of team 2nd season)
2012: DD Scarver 11.9 ppg at Marshall, transferred to TX Southern 2nd year 12.6 ppg

That's no way to do a regression.

I'm sure your point would be confirmed if you did the math. But 10 random data points cherry picked is statistically meaningless. It would be very difficult to built an accurate model for JUCO production.

Either way, no one person is going to replace DL. But hopefully we are playing more than 6 players in our rotation next year. The team will be bad next year. around 12 wins for the center of the distribution.

Whatever.

The Grizz have a draft pick at 19. Best way to gauge how that pick has FACTUALLY performed is to look at the factual performance of the person drafted at that number.

You want to find out what the temperature will be on May 5th?

Go back and look at the last five temps on May 5th.

Foolish to argue otherwise.

(04-11-2017 11:05 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:54 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:30 AM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:18 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  Do you think the roster will be better?

If so why?

The quality of juco players are down.

Ratings mean little

Gary gave out the last five years of #19 juco player and they did not total to what Detric had last year in points and rebounds. I have been here in Memphis since 1967 and this roster will rival the last year Iba was here.

JUCO:
#19
2016: Conor McDougal 0.3 ppg
2015: Fredrick Edmond 12.2 ppg, 6 rpg (kicked out of school in 1st year)
2014: Carlos Morris 11.1 ppg (kicked off team 2nd season)
2013: Stephane Manga 3.0 ppg 1.8 rpg
2012: DJ Bennett 2.8 ppg 2.0 rpg

#23
2016: Branden Jenkins 2.2 ppg
2015: Torren Jones 10.5 ppg 8 rpg (kicked off team after 21 games)
2014: Dinjiyl Walker 3.3 ppg both seasons
2013: Chris Griffin 5.7 ppg 4.0 rpg (kicked off of team 2nd season)
2012: DD Scarver 11.9 ppg at Marshall, transferred to TX Southern 2nd year 12.6 ppg

That's no way to do a regression.

I'm sure your point would be confirmed if you did the math. But 10 random data points cherry picked is statistically meaningless. It would be very difficult to built an accurate model for JUCO production.

Either way, no one person is going to replace DL. But hopefully we are playing more than 6 players in our rotation next year. The team will be bad next year. around 12 wins for the center of the distribution.

Random and cherry picked? He just used the most recent 5 years and two basic stats for measuring the impact of a player. I guess he could have tossed in assists but the message is pretty clear. They either suck or are going to be gone within a year... This is a sports message board, not the mathletes board...

It would be very difficult to built an accurate model for JUCO production. Don't try it. Not will a sample size of ten or a metric that's highly deterministic on usage.

I build statistical models for a living at Georgia Tech. I know what I'm talking about.

But I do think salukiblue point would be correct if the data is available. We aren't going to replace DL production with one player. DL was a monster if you just look at stats.

(04-11-2017 11:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:54 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:30 AM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:18 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  Do you think the roster will be better?

If so why?

The quality of juco players are down.

Ratings mean little

Gary gave out the last five years of #19 juco player and they did not total to what Detric had last year in points and rebounds. I have been here in Memphis since 1967 and this roster will rival the last year Iba was here.

JUCO:
#19
2016: Conor McDougal 0.3 ppg
2015: Fredrick Edmond 12.2 ppg, 6 rpg (kicked out of school in 1st year)
2014: Carlos Morris 11.1 ppg (kicked off team 2nd season)
2013: Stephane Manga 3.0 ppg 1.8 rpg
2012: DJ Bennett 2.8 ppg 2.0 rpg

#23
2016: Branden Jenkins 2.2 ppg
2015: Torren Jones 10.5 ppg 8 rpg (kicked off team after 21 games)
2014: Dinjiyl Walker 3.3 ppg both seasons
2013: Chris Griffin 5.7 ppg 4.0 rpg (kicked off of team 2nd season)
2012: DD Scarver 11.9 ppg at Marshall, transferred to TX Southern 2nd year 12.6 ppg

That's no way to do a regression.

I'm sure your point would be confirmed if you did the math. But 10 random data points cherry picked is statistically meaningless. It would be very difficult to built an accurate model for JUCO production.

Either way, no one person is going to replace DL. But hopefully we are playing more than 6 players in our rotation next year. The team will be bad next year. around 12 wins for the center of the distribution.

Whatever.

The Grizz have a draft pick at 19. Best way to gauge how that pick has FACTUALLY performed is to look at the factual performance of the person drafted at that number.

You want to find out what the temperature will be on May 5th?

Go back and look at the last five temps on May 5th.

Foolish to argue otherwise.

It's hard to tell how well they will do. Normally you are just filling a spot with Jucos, not projecting 3-4 of them to start. It's going to be a difficult year. I tend to look at offers more than rankings. Some of these guys have decent offers.

They should definitely have the opportunity to show their skills (or lack of)...

Going to be a true test of Tubbys coaching ability...

(04-11-2017 11:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:54 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:30 AM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:18 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  Do you think the roster will be better?

If so why?

The quality of juco players are down.

Ratings mean little

Gary gave out the last five years of #19 juco player and they did not total to what Detric had last year in points and rebounds. I have been here in Memphis since 1967 and this roster will rival the last year Iba was here.

JUCO:
#19
2016: Conor McDougal 0.3 ppg
2015: Fredrick Edmond 12.2 ppg, 6 rpg (kicked out of school in 1st year)
2014: Carlos Morris 11.1 ppg (kicked off team 2nd season)
2013: Stephane Manga 3.0 ppg 1.8 rpg
2012: DJ Bennett 2.8 ppg 2.0 rpg

#23
2016: Branden Jenkins 2.2 ppg
2015: Torren Jones 10.5 ppg 8 rpg (kicked off team after 21 games)
2014: Dinjiyl Walker 3.3 ppg both seasons
2013: Chris Griffin 5.7 ppg 4.0 rpg (kicked off of team 2nd season)
2012: DD Scarver 11.9 ppg at Marshall, transferred to TX Southern 2nd year 12.6 ppg

That's no way to do a regression.

I'm sure your point would be confirmed if you did the math. But 10 random data points cherry picked is statistically meaningless. It would be very difficult to built an accurate model for JUCO production.

Either way, no one person is going to replace DL. But hopefully we are playing more than 6 players in our rotation next year. The team will be bad next year. around 12 wins for the center of the distribution.

Whatever.

The Grizz have a draft pick at 19. Best way to gauge how that pick has FACTUALLY performed is to look at the factual performance of the person drafted at that number.

You want to find out what the temperature will be on May 5th?

Go back and look at the last five temps on May 5th.

Foolish to argue otherwise.

You would look at a sample of players from 15 to 25, over a numerous number of years and the model would still have high variance due to low sample size.

(04-11-2017 11:15 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Going to be a true test of Tubbys coaching ability...

He will be predicted to finish 9 or 10 or whatever, which suits his sorry ass just fine.

And he will finish 7th instead, while grinding out a 17-15 record which will have all the happy clappers spewing pure nonsense about Hall of Famer and blah blah freaking blah.

Bet that.

(04-11-2017 10:50 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  Saturday morning phone call

I admitted it may have fallen in their lap. Not denying that it looks like a no brainer on paper to take the job and deliver the kids. It just didnt work. It rarely ever does.

(04-11-2017 11:16 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 11:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:54 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:30 AM)Strat57 Wrote:  Gary gave out the last five years of #19 juco player and they did not total to what Detric had last year in points and rebounds. I have been here in Memphis since 1967 and this roster will rival the last year Iba was here.

JUCO:
#19
2016: Conor McDougal 0.3 ppg
2015: Fredrick Edmond 12.2 ppg, 6 rpg (kicked out of school in 1st year)
2014: Carlos Morris 11.1 ppg (kicked off team 2nd season)
2013: Stephane Manga 3.0 ppg 1.8 rpg
2012: DJ Bennett 2.8 ppg 2.0 rpg

#23
2016: Branden Jenkins 2.2 ppg
2015: Torren Jones 10.5 ppg 8 rpg (kicked off team after 21 games)
2014: Dinjiyl Walker 3.3 ppg both seasons
2013: Chris Griffin 5.7 ppg 4.0 rpg (kicked off of team 2nd season)
2012: DD Scarver 11.9 ppg at Marshall, transferred to TX Southern 2nd year 12.6 ppg

That's no way to do a regression.

I'm sure your point would be confirmed if you did the math. But 10 random data points cherry picked is statistically meaningless. It would be very difficult to built an accurate model for JUCO production.

Either way, no one person is going to replace DL. But hopefully we are playing more than 6 players in our rotation next year. The team will be bad next year. around 12 wins for the center of the distribution.

Whatever.

The Grizz have a draft pick at 19. Best way to gauge how that pick has FACTUALLY performed is to look at the factual performance of the person drafted at that number.

You want to find out what the temperature will be on May 5th?

Go back and look at the last five temps on May 5th.

Foolish to argue otherwise.

You would look at a sample of players from 15 to 25, over a numerous number of years and the model would still have high variance due to low sample size.

I imagine those tails on the sample distribution would be so fat.

(04-11-2017 11:16 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 11:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:54 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-11-2017 10:30 AM)Strat57 Wrote:  Gary gave out the last five years of #19 juco player and they did not total to what Detric had last year in points and rebounds. I have been here in Memphis since 1967 and this roster will rival the last year Iba was here.

JUCO:
#19
2016: Conor McDougal 0.3 ppg
2015: Fredrick Edmond 12.2 ppg, 6 rpg (kicked out of school in 1st year)
2014: Carlos Morris 11.1 ppg (kicked off team 2nd season)
2013: Stephane Manga 3.0 ppg 1.8 rpg
2012: DJ Bennett 2.8 ppg 2.0 rpg

#23
2016: Branden Jenkins 2.2 ppg
2015: Torren Jones 10.5 ppg 8 rpg (kicked off team after 21 games)
2014: Dinjiyl Walker 3.3 ppg both seasons
2013: Chris Griffin 5.7 ppg 4.0 rpg (kicked off of team 2nd season)
2012: DD Scarver 11.9 ppg at Marshall, transferred to TX Southern 2nd year 12.6 ppg

That's no way to do a regression.

I'm sure your point would be confirmed if you did the math. But 10 random data points cherry picked is statistically meaningless. It would be very difficult to built an accurate model for JUCO production.

Either way, no one person is going to replace DL. But hopefully we are playing more than 6 players in our rotation next year. The team will be bad next year. around 12 wins for the center of the distribution.

Whatever.

The Grizz have a draft pick at 19. Best way to gauge how that pick has FACTUALLY performed is to look at the factual performance of the person drafted at that number.

You want to find out what the temperature will be on May 5th?

Go back and look at the last five temps on May 5th.

Foolish to argue otherwise.

You would look at a sample of players from 15 to 25, over a numerous number of years and the model would still have high variance due to low sample size.

For the 100th time...I'm not proclaming exact performance, but it doesn't take much to get an idea.

Same reason you can do a poll for 300,000,000 people and only survey 2,000 people and be close.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-627812-post-919...pid9195986

(04-05-2013 08:59 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 07:22 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 10:43 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 10:39 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  I think he was simply pointing out that they have a good program and the kid coming in is decent and are in on some other nice recruits, didn't see anything about the Final 4. Why be a jerk to anyone that roots for another school!! smh

Oh lighten up Francis. Someone pointed out that Temple loses a boatload of seniors who account for the vast majority of its scoring,re bounding, etc.

A Temple fan retorted that they're bringing in the #130th ranked recruit that was also being courted by Providence and USF.

It has nothing to do with the poster being a Temple fan, it has to do with the substance of his post.

No, the substance of my post was taking offense to someone calling a recruit from St. Anthony 'nondescript'. I was simply pointing out that this kid had a bunch of power six offers. He wasn't exactly recruited solely by St. Francis, NJIT, and New Hampshire.

http://espn.go.com/high-school/boys-bask...ears-later

I don't care WHERE he played high school ball. The bottom line was he was rated in the 130's. That is nondescript. ESPECIALLY in light of my OP which was dealing with what teams will be putting on the floor this upcoming season.

A kid in the 130's coming into a verteran squad in a high major program would be expected to average about 3-4 points a game--mostly getting those points in garbage time.

Since Temple is losing a bunch, then the kid might be asked to play more, but nonelethess he won't be expected to come in and go for 14 and 4--in other words he won't be an impact player that will raise a team from average to good.

Last year the Rivals #129 guy averaged 3.4 ppg, the #130 guy averaged 2.4 ppg and the #131 guy didn't play and the #132 guy averaged 0.7 ppg.

In the class of 2011, the 130 guy averaged 3.1 ppg.

That IS nondescript.

EDIT:

Josh Brown finished his freshman year averaging 2.7 ppg and 2.0 rebounds per game.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-789866-post-135...id13556651

(09-10-2016 05:19 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 02:27 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 02:26 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 01:57 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(09-10-2016 01:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Apparently Jonah Jordan (?) is saying Clergeot is gonna be an immediate impact player. That will be cool, but every statistical guideline would indicate he would project to be a 4 and 2 type player for a regular team.

I like statistical analysis. Why don't you post your calculations. I'm sure they're quite robust. How many turnovers will he have -- statistically speaking?

Well, since you like it, you can do it yourself.

I'll help you with the process:

Find Clergeot's recruiting ranking.

Then go to the previous three years of recruiting rankings and look at the frosh averages of all the guys five spots above and below that ranking.

Take the median number and that will give you an idea of what to expect from Clergeot.

And don't think this is some anti-Tubby thing. I had to help a Temple fan with this a few years ago and, of course, I was correct in my assessment.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-627812-post-920...pid9200920

P.S.

After you "stat it up" let us all know what you find. Since, you know, you like statistical analysis.

So, that's what you mean when you say things like "every statistical guideline?" LOL, still not sure what that phrase even means!

Tell you what -- before I waste any time on your methodology, why don't you validate it by posting the last three years' worth of predictions that it's made for players in those same spots and the ensuing correlation coefficient so we'll all know how much confidence to put in your statistical "guidelines?" OK?

I mean, I'm sure you've hit on the most accurate scoring and rebounding predictor -- what number a particular rating service ranks a kid -- rather than a bunch of irrelevant stuff like whether he starts or doesn't see the floor for the team that signs him, whether he plays point guard or center, what he's done previously -- you know, drivel like that. But I'd still like to see the numbers, so again, why don't you post them?

Clergeot averaged 3.8 ppg