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RE: New President to be named
(04-12-2017 07:58 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:30 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:28 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:22 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  We've said it before and I'll say it again-when Committees ignore input from average folks who have skin in the game they end up screwing things up. Hope we don't have another Judith Bailey.

You're making one hell of a lot of assumptions, off the cuff.

I'm expressing an opinion, if you don't agree with it than debate it on the facts. But don't get insulting, any fool can do that.

My comment was insulting?? You must be really really thin skinned.


First you tell me I'm making a lot of 'off the cuff...assumptions' and then you tell me I'm 'really think skinned'. Can't you argue or debate without getting personal? Think about it before you respond this time. I note you haven't challenged any of my points yet.

I hope he ends up being a good President, but his prior job assignments show very few educational leadership roles-in fact none that I can see. The point somebody made about Judith Bailey have a lot and turning out to be a bust was well made, prior experience in a similar role is not a guarantee of success. But it should at least factor in to the base criteria, the entry-level requirements.
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RE: New President to be named
When they post the job for college president at any university, does it automatically list as a criteria for the job to be a sickle and hammer liberal?
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RE: New President to be named
(04-13-2017 06:09 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 07:58 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:30 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:28 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:22 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  We've said it before and I'll say it again-when Committees ignore input from average folks who have skin in the game they end up screwing things up. Hope we don't have another Judith Bailey.

You're making one hell of a lot of assumptions, off the cuff.

I'm expressing an opinion, if you don't agree with it than debate it on the facts. But don't get insulting, any fool can do that.

My comment was insulting?? You must be really really thin skinned.


First you tell me I'm making a lot of 'off the cuff...assumptions' and then you tell me I'm 'really think skinned'. Can't you argue or debate without getting personal? Think about it before you respond this time. I note you haven't challenged any of my points yet.

I hope he ends up being a good President, but his prior job assignments show very few educational leadership roles-in fact none that I can see. The point somebody made about Judith Bailey have a lot and turning out to be a bust was well made, prior experience in a similar role is not a guarantee of success. But it should at least factor in to the base criteria, the entry-level requirements.

You jumped to three assumptions. 1) they ignored input from "average folks" 2) They end up screwing things up 3) He could be another Judith Bailie. I still say those comments are off the cuff.
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(04-13-2017 10:58 AM)brovol Wrote:  When they post the job for college president at any university, does it automatically list as a criteria for the job to be a sickle and hammer liberal?

Ha!

Touche!

As long as he does not allow "safe zones" from free speech, or allow extremist protesters (from either wing-nut extreme) to bar entry into, or heckle, speakers, I am fine with him.
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RE: New President to be named
(04-13-2017 11:26 AM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 06:09 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 07:58 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:30 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:28 PM)Potro Wrote:  You're making one hell of a lot of assumptions, off the cuff.

I'm expressing an opinion, if you don't agree with it than debate it on the facts. But don't get insulting, any fool can do that.

My comment was insulting?? You must be really really thin skinned.


First you tell me I'm making a lot of 'off the cuff...assumptions' and then you tell me I'm 'really think skinned'. Can't you argue or debate without getting personal? Think about it before you respond this time. I note you haven't challenged any of my points yet.

I hope he ends up being a good President, but his prior job assignments show very few educational leadership roles-in fact none that I can see. The point somebody made about Judith Bailey have a lot and turning out to be a bust was well made, prior experience in a similar role is not a guarantee of success. But it should at least factor in to the base criteria, the entry-level requirements.

You jumped to three assumptions. 1) they ignored input from "average folks" 2) They end up screwing things up 3) He could be another Judith Bailie. I still say those comments are off the cuff.

1. The candidate search was held in private rather then public.
2. They could have, we won't know for some time.
3. Yes, he COULD be (BaileY btw). Which brings us back to point 1#, why was the search held in private-again? That process has been suspect since our last go around.

Dr. Montgomery has thin credentials in Higher Education Leadership, that much is without question. Can he LEAD Western Michigan University to a higher level? That remains to be seen. Should experience as a University President or another university leadership position have been a base requirement for this job? In my view yes, in your view apparently not.
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RE: New President to be named
(04-13-2017 02:44 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 11:26 AM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 06:09 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 07:58 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:30 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  I'm expressing an opinion, if you don't agree with it than debate it on the facts. But don't get insulting, any fool can do that.

My comment was insulting?? You must be really really thin skinned.


First you tell me I'm making a lot of 'off the cuff...assumptions' and then you tell me I'm 'really think skinned'. Can't you argue or debate without getting personal? Think about it before you respond this time. I note you haven't challenged any of my points yet.

I hope he ends up being a good President, but his prior job assignments show very few educational leadership roles-in fact none that I can see. The point somebody made about Judith Bailey have a lot and turning out to be a bust was well made, prior experience in a similar role is not a guarantee of success. But it should at least factor in to the base criteria, the entry-level requirements.

You jumped to three assumptions. 1) they ignored input from "average folks" 2) They end up screwing things up 3) He could be another Judith Bailie. I still say those comments are off the cuff.

1. The candidate search was held in private rather then public.
2. They could have, we won't know for some time.
3. Yes, he COULD be (BaileY btw). Which brings us back to point 1#, why was the search held in private-again? That process has been suspect since our last go around.

Dr. Montgomery has thin credentials in Higher Education Leadership, that much is without question. Can he LEAD Western Michigan University to a higher level? That remains to be seen. Should experience as a University President or another university leadership position have been a base requirement for this job? In my view yes, in your view apparently not.

Did lack of previous head coaching experience hinder the trajectory at which PJ took our football program... I think it's yet to be seen how the criteria you have laid out projects on the success of this new WMU President... I have hopes that he continues to lead WMU on the path that Dunn has so nicely prepared...
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RE: New President to be named
(04-13-2017 02:44 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 11:26 AM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 06:09 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 07:58 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:30 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  I'm expressing an opinion, if you don't agree with it than debate it on the facts. But don't get insulting, any fool can do that.

My comment was insulting?? You must be really really thin skinned.


First you tell me I'm making a lot of 'off the cuff...assumptions' and then you tell me I'm 'really think skinned'. Can't you argue or debate without getting personal? Think about it before you respond this time. I note you haven't challenged any of my points yet.

I hope he ends up being a good President, but his prior job assignments show very few educational leadership roles-in fact none that I can see. The point somebody made about Judith Bailey have a lot and turning out to be a bust was well made, prior experience in a similar role is not a guarantee of success. But it should at least factor in to the base criteria, the entry-level requirements.

You jumped to three assumptions. 1) they ignored input from "average folks" 2) They end up screwing things up 3) He could be another Judith Bailie. I still say those comments are off the cuff.

1. The candidate search was held in private rather then public.
2. They could have, we won't know for some time.
3. Yes, he COULD be (BaileY btw). Which brings us back to point 1#, why was the search held in private-again? That process has been suspect since our last go around.

Dr. Montgomery has thin credentials in Higher Education Leadership, that much is without question. Can he LEAD Western Michigan University to a higher level? That remains to be seen. Should experience as a University President or another university leadership position have been a base requirement for this job? In my view yes, in your view apparently not.

Something tells me if this guy had the exact same resume (quite impressive btw) and was a staunch conservative you'd be giddy as hell right now.
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RE: New President to be named
(04-13-2017 02:44 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 11:26 AM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 06:09 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 07:58 PM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 03:30 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  I'm expressing an opinion, if you don't agree with it than debate it on the facts. But don't get insulting, any fool can do that.

My comment was insulting?? You must be really really thin skinned.


First you tell me I'm making a lot of 'off the cuff...assumptions' and then you tell me I'm 'really think skinned'. Can't you argue or debate without getting personal? Think about it before you respond this time. I note you haven't challenged any of my points yet.

I hope he ends up being a good President, but his prior job assignments show very few educational leadership roles-in fact none that I can see. The point somebody made about Judith Bailey have a lot and turning out to be a bust was well made, prior experience in a similar role is not a guarantee of success. But it should at least factor in to the base criteria, the entry-level requirements.

You jumped to three assumptions. 1) they ignored input from "average folks" 2) They end up screwing things up 3) He could be another Judith Bailie. I still say those comments are off the cuff.

1. The candidate search was held in private rather then public.
2. They could have, we won't know for some time.
3. Yes, he COULD be (BaileY btw). Which brings us back to point 1#, why was the search held in private-again? That process has been suspect since our last go around.

Dr. Montgomery has thin credentials in Higher Education Leadership, that much is without question. Can he LEAD Western Michigan University to a higher level? That remains to be seen. Should experience as a University President or another university leadership position have been a base requirement for this job? In my view yes, in your view apparently not.

No job search should be done publicly. You aren't going to get candidates willing to stick their neck out like that. No school is going to want to risk having to publicly go to their 2nd choice if the first one ends up turning them down. You don't see it for head coaches, you don't see it in the private companies, it just doesn't make sense. While the search wasn't open, everyone had the opportunity to voice their thoughts in various methods.
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RE: New President to be named
(04-13-2017 03:59 PM)BusinessBronco Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 02:44 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 11:26 AM)Potro Wrote:  
(04-13-2017 06:09 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 07:58 PM)Potro Wrote:  My comment was insulting?? You must be really really thin skinned.


First you tell me I'm making a lot of 'off the cuff...assumptions' and then you tell me I'm 'really think skinned'. Can't you argue or debate without getting personal? Think about it before you respond this time. I note you haven't challenged any of my points yet.

I hope he ends up being a good President, but his prior job assignments show very few educational leadership roles-in fact none that I can see. The point somebody made about Judith Bailey have a lot and turning out to be a bust was well made, prior experience in a similar role is not a guarantee of success. But it should at least factor in to the base criteria, the entry-level requirements.

You jumped to three assumptions. 1) they ignored input from "average folks" 2) They end up screwing things up 3) He could be another Judith Bailie. I still say those comments are off the cuff.

1. The candidate search was held in private rather then public.
2. They could have, we won't know for some time.
3. Yes, he COULD be (BaileY btw). Which brings us back to point 1#, why was the search held in private-again? That process has been suspect since our last go around.

Dr. Montgomery has thin credentials in Higher Education Leadership, that much is without question. Can he LEAD Western Michigan University to a higher level? That remains to be seen. Should experience as a University President or another university leadership position have been a base requirement for this job? In my view yes, in your view apparently not.

No job search should be done publicly. You aren't going to get candidates willing to stick their neck out like that. No school is going to want to risk having to publicly go to their 2nd choice if the first one ends up turning them down. You don't see it for head coaches, you don't see it in the private companies, it just doesn't make sense. While the search wasn't open, everyone had the opportunity to voice their thoughts in various methods.

A lot of job searches for high leadership positions are done publicly, most notably White House Cabinet positions-but also many other places. And any candidates scared away by public exposure are probably ones we don't want anyway.

There are pluses and minuses with both approaches, but after the last disastrous experience we had at WMU in 2003 with Judith Bailey I've become an advocate of open hiring. Everybody has input and the process can only be enhanced by full exposure and open debate.

At any rate, it's pointless to debate this anymore, it's a done deal. I wish President Elect Montgomery the best and will support him as I've supported all WMU Presidents over the decades.
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RE: New President to be named
We hired Dunn in a public search. These positions aren't actually 'public' until the final 3-5 are named and brought to campus for open presentations.
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